2122: "Size Venn Diagram"

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2122: "Size Venn Diagram"

Postby Lothario O'Leary » Mon Mar 11, 2019 2:44 pm UTC

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Title text: Terms I'm going to start using: The Large Dipper, great potatoes, the Big Hadron Collider, and Large Orphan Annie.


(IMHO, "little end" is plausible enough that "end" should be with moved to the area where "world" and "one" currently are. But that depends on the speaker, I guess.)
(Also, this comic is the first time I recall seeing an actual use of a reasonably neat-looking 5-set Venn diagram.)

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Postby Bo Lindbergh » Mon Mar 11, 2019 2:51 pm UTC

But what about "grand"?

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Postby Lothario O'Leary » Mon Mar 11, 2019 3:07 pm UTC

Bo Lindbergh wrote:But what about "grand"?

Does "grand" apply to any examples on this diagram? We might need a whole separate diagram for any of those combinations plus "grand".

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Re: 2122: "Size Venn Diagram"

Postby The Moomin » Mon Mar 11, 2019 3:23 pm UTC

Disappointed there's no Big Whoop.

Or Horn and Man at the intersection of Little and Big, although that might not be how Venn diagrams work it still amuses me.
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Re: 2122: "Size Venn Diagram"

Postby cellocgw » Mon Mar 11, 2019 3:59 pm UTC

Randall's playing fast and loose there - there are no species of conger whose official name includes any of these size-related labels. I was hoping all the intersections indicated names, not just adjectives which were appropriate.
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Re: 2122: "Size Venn Diagram"

Postby JohnSAdair » Mon Mar 11, 2019 4:04 pm UTC

The Moomin wrote:Disappointed there's no Big Whoop.

Or Horn and Man at the intersection of Little and Big, although that might not be how Venn diagrams work it still amuses me.

Nice. I signed up for an account to comment about my surprise that Little Big Man wasn't there. Didn't think of Little Big Horn.

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Re: 2122: "Size Venn Diagram"

Postby Soupspoon » Mon Mar 11, 2019 4:04 pm UTC

I was hunting for "Little Big Adventure"¹ and "All Creatures Great And Small"² until I realised what it was, and that there wasn't a direct reference to"Little Bigfoot"³.

@The Moomin: Yeah, this is just "[X or Y or Z] Foo" being shown in the X+Y+Z zone not "X Y Z Foo". And it is, for once actually a Venn Diagram, not an Euler one. Though the lack of "members of none of the sets" is an omission that we ought to correct.


(There are other omissions, in the simpler vein, that maybe Randall just didn't think of, like: Little(/etc) Voice; Little (…) Boots, aka Caligula); Great/Little Britain; …)

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Postby Lothario O'Leary » Mon Mar 11, 2019 4:28 pm UTC

Soupspoon wrote:Though the lack of "members of none of the sets" is an omission that we ought to correct.
Bo Lindbergh wrote:But what about "grand"?
Seconding both of those, though a full 6-set diagram would be pretty darn complicated.

("Father", I think, only works with "grand" and not any of the other five, but finding examples of other combinations might be rather tricky.)

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Re: 2122: "Size Venn Diagram"

Postby Jorpho » Mon Mar 11, 2019 4:34 pm UTC

Too many of these are too obscure, methinks. "Little circle"? "Little room"? "Small blue"? "Great league"? I would not have expected these to be things.

But it's a pretty neat shape, at least.

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Re: 2122: "Size Venn Diagram"

Postby orthogon » Mon Mar 11, 2019 4:34 pm UTC

Lothario O'Leary wrote:(IMHO, "little end" is plausible enough that "end" should be with moved to the area where "world" and "one" currently are.

Maybe not "end", but, given the readership demographic, "endian" should have featured.

One of my favourite bands from my youth, the sadly defunct Galliano, refer in one song to "Large Benjamin".

TIL: there is a Little Ben!

ETA:

Wikipedia wrote:Little Ben was manufactured, according to Pevsner, by Gillett & Johnston of Croydon, and was erected in 1892; removed from the site in 1964, and restored and re-erected in 1981 by Westminster City Council with sponsorship from Elf Aquitaine Ltd "offered as a gesture of Franco-British friendship".

Oh dear; must be due for being pulled down again in that case...
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Re: 2122: "Size Venn Diagram"

Postby keldor » Mon Mar 11, 2019 4:47 pm UTC

orthogon wrote:Maybe not "end", but, given the readership demographic, "endian" should have featured.


You're right. This is conspicuously missing.

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Re: 2122: "Size Venn Diagram"

Postby silentecho » Mon Mar 11, 2019 5:52 pm UTC

cellocgw wrote:Randall's playing fast and loose there - there are no species of conger whose official name includes any of these size-related labels. I was hoping all the intersections indicated names, not just adjectives which were appropriate.

Ariosoma marginatum is the large-eye conger
Gnathophis microps is the smalleye conger
Ariosoma anagoides is the big-eye conger
(at least according to Wikipedia)

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Re: 2122: "Size Venn Diagram"

Postby drachefly » Mon Mar 11, 2019 7:27 pm UTC

Seems like Hearted should move into the region to its right.

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Re: 2122: "Size Venn Diagram"

Postby AndrewGPaul » Mon Mar 11, 2019 7:42 pm UTC

Lothario O'Leary wrote:
(IMHO, "little end" is plausible enough that "end" should be with moved to the area where "world" and "one" currently are. But that depends on the speaker, I guess.)

The little end is, of course, at the opposite end of the connecting rod (it's the end connected to the piston) to the big end (connected to the crankshaft). :)

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Re: 2122: "Size Venn Diagram"

Postby dtilque » Mon Mar 11, 2019 8:07 pm UTC

There's three empty regions. Any ideas to fill in

Little/Great/Large
Little/Large/Big/Great
Little/Large/Small/Great
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Re: 2122: "Size Venn Diagram"

Postby GlassHouses » Mon Mar 11, 2019 8:14 pm UTC

orthogon wrote:
Lothario O'Leary wrote:(IMHO, "little end" is plausible enough that "end" should be with moved to the area where "world" and "one" currently are.

Maybe not "end", but, given the readership demographic, "endian" should have featured.

But the terms little-endian and big-endian originally come from Gulliver's Travels, where they refer to the controversy regarding which end of a boiled egg should be cracked to start peeling. Thus, "little end" and "big end" came before "little-endian" and "big-endian" and therefore they must be valid themselves.

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Re: 2122: "Size Venn Diagram"

Postby Justin Lardinois » Mon Mar 11, 2019 8:43 pm UTC

I dig that the parts of the diagram are avocado-shaped.

What about Little Big Planet?

"Dipper" should also be overlapped by the giant avocado.

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Postby Heimhenge » Mon Mar 11, 2019 10:48 pm UTC

Bo Lindbergh wrote:But what about "grand"?


I thought the same thing (being an Arizonan). Then I thought if we add a sixth set, we start down a long road. What about "tiny" or "colossal" or "jumbo" or probably many others but those come first to mind. I'm sure Randall considered just how many sets he wanted to deal with. I think what he came up with were good choices with room for some humor.

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Re: 2122: "Size Venn Diagram"

Postby Showsni » Mon Mar 11, 2019 11:27 pm UTC

Jorpho wrote:Too many of these are too obscure, methinks. "Little circle"? "Little room"? "Small blue"? "Great league"? I would not have expected these to be things.


Yes, there are a bunch I've never heard of. Explain xkcd has a lot of question marks at the moment, but I trust they will all get filled in time!

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Re: 2122: "Size Venn Diagram"

Postby Lothario O'Leary » Mon Mar 11, 2019 11:32 pm UTC

keldor wrote:
orthogon wrote:Maybe not "end", but, given the readership demographic, "endian" should have featured.


You're right. This is conspicuously missing.

To be fair, the area where it would have gone already had four other terms in it (the most of any area aside from the large "single set" ones).

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Re: 2122: "Size Venn Diagram"

Postby Bridge Troll » Tue Mar 12, 2019 3:03 am UTC

Jorpho wrote:Too many of these are too obscure, methinks. "Little circle"? "Little room"? "Small blue"? "Great league"? I would not have expected these to be things.

But it's a pretty neat shape, at least.


Given the great number of items in this diagram, it should be expected that readers won't know every single one of them. This would be a much less impressive comic if Randall only included items that you personally knew, since it wouldn't be nearly as populated. Are the items not valid just because you don't know them? If so, then Randall making a chart catered to you personally would then find someone else complaining that it's invalid because they don't know a few of the items, and so on and so forth until the diagram is completely empty.

Lothario O'Leary wrote:To be fair, the area where it would have gone already had four other terms in it (the most of any area aside from the large "single set" ones).


The Large "single set" only contains three terms, though!

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Re: 2122: "Size Venn Diagram"

Postby StClair » Tue Mar 12, 2019 4:55 am UTC

"All Creatures" in Great + Small was the one I noted missing as well.

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Re: 2122: "Size Venn Diagram"

Postby mantawolf » Tue Mar 12, 2019 11:24 am UTC

I have been reading these for years and just now created an account to ask why Starbucks sizes arent on here?!? :)

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Re: 2122: "Size Venn Diagram"

Postby IKnowNothing » Tue Mar 12, 2019 1:22 pm UTC

Let's not forget Big Blue. Or is that showing my age? Just nudge blue into the big boundary.

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Re: 2122: "Size Venn Diagram"

Postby Jeff_UK » Tue Mar 12, 2019 1:59 pm UTC

"Small blue" and "Large blue" are both types of butterfly,

"Great league" could be a pokémon reference
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Re: 2122: "Size Venn Diagram"

Postby myoilu » Tue Mar 12, 2019 10:36 pm UTC

"Format" should also be included in Large/Big given Nvidia's recent displays.

https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/products/big-format-gaming-displays/

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Re: 2122: "Size Venn Diagram"

Postby gcgcgcgc » Wed Mar 13, 2019 8:08 am UTC

How about AND in the {little, large} intersection (or are British comedy double-acts of the past too obscure?)

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Re: 2122: "Size Venn Diagram"

Postby DavesNotHere » Wed Mar 13, 2019 10:02 am UTC

I read many of Randall's works just to marvel and wonder at the audacity of his creations.
Then there are those where I just laugh out loud.
If you don't like what he's done ... go ahead and do better.

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Re: 2122: "Size Venn Diagram"

Postby Soupspoon » Wed Mar 13, 2019 11:06 am UTC

gcgcgcgc wrote:How about AND in the {little, large} intersection (or are British comedy double-acts of the past too obscure?)

With the possible exception of "Big Little Planet", it's just "[X | Y] Thing", not "X Y Thing" or (in this case) "X Thing Y". So (as well as Syd and Eddie being perhaps a bit too obscure for most, esp. in Randall's likely cultural circles) I put that (plus All Creatures, for similar reasons) outside the memetic catchment for this.

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Re: 2122: "Size Venn Diagram"

Postby Yakk » Wed Mar 13, 2019 2:07 pm UTC

Great Wonder. Much wow.
Great Sister -- sister of your sibling, but not your sister.
Large Sister -- in twins, the taller one.
Great Professor -- your professor's professor.
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Postby Archgeek » Wed Mar 13, 2019 3:18 pm UTC

Bo Lindbergh wrote:But what about "grand"?

"Enchilada"?
"That big tube down the side was officially called a "systems tunnel", which is aerospace contractor speak for "big tube down the side."

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Re: 2122: "Size Venn Diagram"

Postby redbird71 » Fri Mar 15, 2019 11:07 am UTC

Lothario O'Leary wrote:Title text: Terms I'm going to start using: The Large Dipper, great potatoes, the Big Hadron Collider, and Large Orphan Annie.


My personal choice for future use: "Great Hadron Collider!"

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Re: 2122: "Size Venn Diagram"

Postby Yakk » Fri Mar 15, 2019 2:44 pm UTC

redbird71 wrote:
Lothario O'Leary wrote:Title text: Terms I'm going to start using: The Large Dipper, great potatoes, the Big Hadron Collider, and Large Orphan Annie.


My personal choice for future use: "Great Hadron Collider!"

That is permitted, but only if you use it as a swear word.

"Great Hadron Collider, that driver shouldn't be on the road!"
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Re: 2122: "Size Venn Diagram"

Postby Archgeek » Fri Mar 15, 2019 3:11 pm UTC

Yakk wrote:
redbird71 wrote:
Lothario O'Leary wrote:Title text: Terms I'm going to start using: The Large Dipper, great potatoes, the Big Hadron Collider, and Large Orphan Annie.


My personal choice for future use: "Great Hadron Collider!"

That is permitted, but only if you use it as a swear word.

"Great Hadron Collider, that driver shouldn't be on the road!"

Yes. The world needs more physics and astronomy related oaths.
  • LIGO's Length!
  • By Brahe's Nose!
  • Chandrasekhar's limit!
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Re: 2122: "Size Venn Diagram"

Postby Old Bruce » Fri Mar 15, 2019 3:13 pm UTC

Yakk wrote:
redbird71 wrote:
Lothario O'Leary wrote:Title text: Terms I'm going to start using: The Large Dipper, great potatoes, the Big Hadron Collider, and Large Orphan Annie.


My personal choice for future use: "Great Hadron Collider!"

That is permitted, but only if you use it as a swear word.

"Great Hadron Collider, that driver shouldn't be on the road!"

Doesn't sound quite right, methinks it needs a "Batman!" in there.

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Re: 2122: "Size Venn Diagram"

Postby da Doctah » Fri Mar 15, 2019 6:14 pm UTC

Archgeek wrote: The world needs more physics and astronomy related oaths.
  • LIGO's Length!
  • By Brahe's Nose!
  • Chandrasekhar's limit!

Reminds me of the time I decided to call in sick to work. Said I had been diagnosed with a Dirichlet condition and needed to undergo a xiphoid process.

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Re: 2122: "Size Venn Diagram"

Postby niky » Mon Mar 18, 2019 6:48 am UTC

dtilque wrote:There's three empty regions. Any ideas to fill in

Little/Great/Large
Little/Large/Big/Great
Little/Large/Small/Great


Up.

This is driving me batty.



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