0341: "1337: Part 1"

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0341: "1337: Part 1"

Postby Geekthras » Mon Nov 12, 2007 5:07 am UTC

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Alt text: If you're not cool enough to do it manually, you can look up tools like Upside-Down-Ternet for playing games with people on your wifi.
Link: http://www.xkcd.com/341


How has this not been posted yet?


Anyway, A 2(+)-PARTER?!? Holy crap!
Wait. With a SPOON?!

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Re: "1337: Part 1" Discussion

Postby tesseract » Mon Nov 12, 2007 5:10 am UTC

You could always just encrypt your network, but where's the fun in that?
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Re: "1337: Part 1" Discussion

Postby mackey » Mon Nov 12, 2007 5:13 am UTC

this makes me a bit nervous due to the fact that i borrow my neighbor's wifi all the time

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Re: "1337: Part 1" Discussion

Postby OneLess » Mon Nov 12, 2007 5:17 am UTC

Reminds me of this bash.org quote:
(Mootar) morons.
(Mootar) these people who live in my apartment complex are connected to my wireless
(Mootar) they must think they're super-cool hackers by breaking into my completely unsecure network
(Mootar) unfortunatly, the connection works both ways
(Mootar) long story short, they now have loads of horse porn on their computer
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Re: "1337: Part 1" Discussion

Postby mackey » Mon Nov 12, 2007 5:24 am UTC

OneLess wrote:Reminds me of this bash.org quote:
(Mootar) morons.
(Mootar) these people who live in my apartment complex are connected to my wireless
(Mootar) they must think they're super-cool hackers by breaking into my completely unsecure network
(Mootar) unfortunatly, the connection works both ways
(Mootar) long story short, they now have loads of horse porn on their computer


ya thats what i'm afraid of

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Re: "1337: Part 1" Discussion

Postby persephonester » Mon Nov 12, 2007 5:28 am UTC

This looks like the woman in Exploits of a Mom (as much as two stick figures can look similar, I guess). That would make her son...Robert Roberts.

This comic is why I do not screw with other people's wireless. I can wait til I get home.

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Re: "1337: Part 1" Discussion

Postby fryman » Mon Nov 12, 2007 5:31 am UTC

A comic every day? I think I just came in my pants. Anyway, I can't wait for Mrs. Roberts to kick more ass.
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Re: "1337: Part 1" Discussion

Postby NightStar » Mon Nov 12, 2007 5:40 am UTC

Excellent! I've always wanted to do something of this nature, but lack the expertise...anyone else have good tricks/links to check out?
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Re: "1337: Part 1" Discussion

Postby scowdich » Mon Nov 12, 2007 5:41 am UTC

yaaay

I've been looking forward to a storyline ever since Randy mentioned that "Dream Girl" wouldn't be the last at the talk. And even if that's entirely in my mind and he said no such thing...yaaay

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Re: "1337: Part 1" Discussion

Postby Shadic » Mon Nov 12, 2007 5:55 am UTC

God, that would be scary to see. :|

Considering that I'm not on a wireless... I don't think I have to worry about leeching off anybody's WiFi and having this happen to me, though.

This could be an epic series, though.

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Re: "1337: Part 1" Discussion

Postby deejbot » Mon Nov 12, 2007 5:57 am UTC

I'd put serious cash on it being a 5 part mini series; like 2 dollars serious cash.

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Re: "1337: Part 1" Discussion

Postby bsoric » Mon Nov 12, 2007 6:04 am UTC

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Re: "1337: Part 1" Discussion

Postby Steve the Pocket » Mon Nov 12, 2007 6:10 am UTC

This is a series? Yerkiddinme. I can't imagine how much further this can go. But hey, that's why Randall's the cartoonist and I'm just a reader. Either way, this neighbor is the shizzle and I need to know more people like her. Not necessarily in the Biblical sense. (I wouldn't trust her not to hack my reproductive system, honestly.)

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Re: "1337: Part 1" Discussion

Postby Unforgiven » Mon Nov 12, 2007 6:19 am UTC

mackey wrote:
OneLess wrote:Reminds me of this bash.org quote:
(Mootar) morons.
(Mootar) these people who live in my apartment complex are connected to my wireless
(Mootar) they must think they're super-cool hackers by breaking into my completely unsecure network
(Mootar) unfortunatly, the connection works both ways
(Mootar) long story short, they now have loads of horse porn on their computer


ya thats what i'm afraid of

If you're going to intrude on somebody else's unsecured wireless, at least make sure you lock down your own computer from network access. :)
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Re: "1337: Part 1" Discussion

Postby mackey » Mon Nov 12, 2007 6:22 am UTC

Unforgiven wrote:
mackey wrote:
OneLess wrote:Reminds me of this bash.org quote:
(Mootar) morons.
(Mootar) these people who live in my apartment complex are connected to my wireless
(Mootar) they must think they're super-cool hackers by breaking into my completely unsecure network
(Mootar) unfortunatly, the connection works both ways
(Mootar) long story short, they now have loads of horse porn on their computer


ya thats what i'm afraid of

If you're going to intrude on somebody else's unsecured wireless, at least make sure you lock down your own computer from network access. :)


i would if i had any idea how to, i kind of don't know how to do cool stuff like that

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Re: "1337: Part 1" Discussion

Postby rednwhite » Mon Nov 12, 2007 6:24 am UTC

A HR reference?

In my xkcd?

It's more likely than you think.

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Re: "1337: Part 1" Discussion

Postby Perfect Illusion » Mon Nov 12, 2007 6:36 am UTC

I so looked up that site in the alt-text. I would set stuff like that up, but not being able to see the reactions of the people connecting kinda ruins the fun.

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Re: "1337: Part 1" Discussion

Postby RRRR » Mon Nov 12, 2007 6:37 am UTC

I just finished my final year System Administrator exam at university today and came home to this comic. Awesomeness!
If not now, when? If not me, who?

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Re: "1337: Part 1" Discussion

Postby Blipo » Mon Nov 12, 2007 6:54 am UTC

The Google searches on "upside down ternet" must have spiked like hell in the last few hours. =D

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Re: "1337: Part 1" Discussion

Postby rhalleys5th » Mon Nov 12, 2007 7:02 am UTC

I imagine it's just as easy to type with oven mitts as it is with boxing gloves.

Also, hooray for daily updates! They may make the week ahead slightly less hellish.

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Re: "1337: Part 1" Discussion

Postby Orp » Mon Nov 12, 2007 7:14 am UTC

When the antagonist, Mrs. Roberts, appears in panel three she is carrying a sheet of steaming hot homemade cookies. The cookies are a literary device to illustrate her housewiferyness and to set up the oven mitts joke. But these cookies raise more questions - questions that have answers that may be informed by information the writer has not been generous with. Did she notice someone was on her wireless when she was in the middle of removing cookies from the oven and if so how? And how did our unwitting hero know she was wearing oven mitts? And are they chocolate chip or peanut butter?

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Re: "1337: Part 1" Discussion

Postby Geekthras » Mon Nov 12, 2007 7:28 am UTC

Orp wrote:When the antagonist, Mrs. Roberts, appears in panel three she is carrying a sheet of steaming hot homemade cookies. The cookies are a literary device to illustrate her housewiferyness and to set up the oven mitts joke. But these cookies raise more questions - questions that have answers that may be informed by information the writer has not been generous with. Did she notice someone was on her wireless when she was in the middle of removing cookies from the oven and if so how? And how did our unwitting hero know she was wearing oven mitts? And are they chocolate chip or peanut butter?

More importantly; who the fuck cares?
Wait. With a SPOON?!

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Re: "1337: Part 1" Discussion

Postby ftr » Mon Nov 12, 2007 7:29 am UTC

once again, a slice of piping hot win =)

I wonder if there's anyway of doing something like this on Windows? There's a guy on our network who annoys us regularly... if the wireless router goes down, he always blames me, saying I've kicked him...has buttloads of torrents running simultaneously, thus killing bandwidth etc etc... Until I get round to changing the router firmware to the one posted on hackattack, I really don't have much control over him on the network. I would love to have some fun with this and see his reactions...

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Re: "1337: Part 1" Discussion

Postby Cyantre » Mon Nov 12, 2007 7:34 am UTC

I won't question how Mrs. Robets can type with oven mitts on, if you don't question how Strong Bad can type with boxing gloves on. :wink:

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Re: "1337: Part 1" Discussion

Postby mikebolt » Mon Nov 12, 2007 7:36 am UTC

Orp wrote:When the antagonist, Mrs. Roberts, appears in panel three she is carrying a sheet of steaming hot homemade cookies. The cookies are a literary device to illustrate her housewiferyness and to set up the oven mitts joke. But these cookies raise more questions - questions that have answers that may be informed by information the writer has not been generous with. Did she notice someone was on her wireless when she was in the middle of removing cookies from the oven and if so how? And how did our unwitting hero know she was wearing oven mitts? And are they chocolate chip or peanut butter?


Hooray sarcasm. I assume the two male xkcdians know that Mrs Roberts always wears oven mitts , or something like that.

On a more serious note, I wasn't aware that the connection works multiple ways. Packets could be sent to the laptop, but the laptop wouldn't have to accept them , unless it was a Firefox exploit.

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Re: "1337: Part 1" Discussion

Postby ++$_ » Mon Nov 12, 2007 7:38 am UTC

Orp wrote:When the antagonist, Mrs. Roberts, appears in panel three she is carrying a sheet of steaming hot homemade cookies. The cookies are a literary device to illustrate her housewiferyness and to set up the oven mitts joke. But these cookies raise more questions - questions that have answers that may be informed by information the writer has not been generous with. Did she notice someone was on her wireless when she was in the middle of removing cookies from the oven and if so how? And how did our unwitting hero know she was wearing oven mitts? And are they chocolate chip or peanut butter?
I believe you meant "protagonist".

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Re: "1337: Part 1" Discussion

Postby SoapyHobo » Mon Nov 12, 2007 7:57 am UTC

I am using my neighbours wifi right now, it's my birthday and it looks like there's going to be daily comics this week.

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Re: "1337: Part 1" Discussion

Postby phlip » Mon Nov 12, 2007 7:59 am UTC

mikebolt wrote:On a more serious note, I wasn't aware that the connection works multiple ways. Packets could be sent to the laptop, but the laptop wouldn't have to accept them , unless it was a Firefox exploit.

If Mrs Roberts has absolute power over what goes through the router (which we can assume from evidence) then of course she can insert extra packets into the stream... it'd mean messing with the sequence numbering for all the following (legit) packets coming out of the router, but she can probably do that.

Alternatively, there's always the transparent proxy, like the upside-down-ternet mentioned in the rollover text... then she can do what she likes with the packet stream, since it's being generated at her computer anyway.

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Re: "1337: Part 1" Discussion

Postby aerojad » Mon Nov 12, 2007 8:00 am UTC

I can go for allusions to nerd women any time.
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Re: "1337: Part 1" Discussion

Postby mikebolt » Mon Nov 12, 2007 8:05 am UTC

phlip wrote:If Mrs Roberts has absolute power over what goes through the router (which we can assume from evidence) then of course she can insert extra packets into the stream... it'd mean messing with the sequence numbering for all the following (legit) packets coming out of the router, but she can probably do that.

Alternatively, there's always the transparent proxy, like the upside-down-ternet mentioned in the rollover text... then she can do what she likes with the packet stream, since it's being generated at her computer anyway.


I read that page, but I was mostly referring to the horse-porn comment. You certainly have control over the web pages displayed, but not computer files. That would take 1337 hax.

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Re: "1337: Part 1" Discussion

Postby chishm » Mon Nov 12, 2007 8:20 am UTC

mikebolt wrote:
phlip wrote:I read that page, but I was mostly referring to the horse-porn comment. You certainly have control over the web pages displayed, but not computer files. That would take 1337 hax.

Or unsecured Windows file sharing.

I only have WEP enabled on my WAP, so that my DS can connect. My WEP key is easy to remember too:

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Feel free to connect, but leave file sharing turned on :wink:

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Re: "1337: Part 1" Discussion

Postby ThatGuyCalledPete » Mon Nov 12, 2007 8:23 am UTC

Orp wrote:And how did our unwitting hero know she was wearing oven mitts? And are they chocolate chip or peanut butter?

I think they're chocolate chip oven mitts...

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Re: "1337: Part 1" Discussion

Postby EvanED » Mon Nov 12, 2007 8:48 am UTC

I'm also curious where this is going in future parts.

mikebolt wrote:On a more serious note, I wasn't aware that the connection works multiple ways. Packets could be sent to the laptop, but the laptop wouldn't have to accept them , unless it was a Firefox exploit.

Depends on what you mean by "accept". It's entirely possible that someone would have services running, for instance file sharing. Or any other network vulnerabilities, such as the RPC server bug in Windows.

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Re: "1337: Part 1" Discussion

Postby tazeat » Mon Nov 12, 2007 8:52 am UTC

Haha thats why I never use the provided DHCP server... And all my traffic goes thru SSH ;)...

http://www.ex-parrot.com/pete/upside-down-ternet.html
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Re: "1337: Part 1" Discussion

Postby keozen » Mon Nov 12, 2007 8:55 am UTC

ThatGuyCalledPete wrote:
Orp wrote:And how did our unwitting hero know she was wearing oven mitts? And are they chocolate chip or peanut butter?

I think they're chocolate chip oven mitts...

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Mmmm, chocolate chip goodness.

I use a wep key and not much more I do admit but it works well enough for where I am. That and there are 2 other unsecured networks in the area for people to leach at before they bother looking at mine.

Great comic though, yey for daily updates!
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Re: "1337: Part 1" Discussion

Postby zonk » Mon Nov 12, 2007 9:55 am UTC

have anyone tried typing with ovenmits? it's impossible, i did it a while ago when we had our LAN, and gotta say, it's amusing, but impossible
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Re: "1337: Part 1" Discussion

Postby pKp » Mon Nov 12, 2007 10:04 am UTC

WEP keys are for n00bs. MAC adress filtering is good enough for me. Damnit, if someones wants access to my flaming 8mbps bandwith THAT bad, he can as well have it :p.

On a lighter note :

DAILY COMICS ? OMGWTFBBQ ! *drools*
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Re: "1337: Part 1" Discussion

Postby thebeanie » Mon Nov 12, 2007 10:11 am UTC

a) Making SSH connections die is not that 1337. All you need is a way to detect encrypted traffic, and any half-decent LAN Monitor can do that.

b) Mrs. Roberts is a god(dess). Assuming a 1Mbit/s DSL connection, that's 1,048,576 bits per second, which is 131072 bytes per second. With ASCII encoding(one letter = one byte) this means she must be able to type at DSL speed. Assuming the average word is 6 letters long, Mrs. Roberts types at 21,845 words per second or 1,310,720 words per minute.

Try doing THAT, humans.

EDIT: Some back-of-the-envelope calcs show that her fingers would have to be hitting the keys at about Mach 3 to do this.

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Re: "1337: Part 1" Discussion

Postby DragonHawk » Mon Nov 12, 2007 12:26 pm UTC

fryman wrote:A comic every day?

rhalleys5th wrote:Also, hooray for daily updates!

Am I just missing something blindly obvious? Where does it say this? It says "Part 1", but couldn't Part 2 just come on Wednesday? For that matter, it doesn't even say the parts will be consecutive. Part 2 might come next month. No?

thebeanie wrote:this means she must be able to type at DSL speed.

Not necessarily. She could have a transparent HTTP proxy installed on the router, and a pre-made facility for inserting messages into the next page(s) that get requested. That's how I would do it, if I wanted to do something like this. "Editing the TCP stream live" could be an assumption on the part of... stickman #2. (Hmmm, they must be identical twins in this comic. ;) )

What I want to know is, how did stickman #2 know Mrs. Roberts is wearing oven mitts?

Also: Did anyone else first read "Upside-Down-Ternet" as "Upside-Down-Telnet" and think, "But who uses Telnet these days?"

Also: Funny comic. I laughed.

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Re: "1337: Part 1" Discussion

Postby zonk » Mon Nov 12, 2007 12:34 pm UTC

DragonHawk wrote:
fryman wrote:A comic every day?

rhalleys5th wrote:Also, hooray for daily updates!

Am I just missing something blindly obvious? Where does it say this? It says "Part 1", but couldn't Part 2 just come on Wednesday? For that matter, it doesn't even say the parts will be consecutive. Part 2 might come next month. No?


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There will be five comics this week, one each weekday!

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