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Re: "The Sea" Discussion

Postby Downward_Spiral » Wed Jul 16, 2008 5:36 pm UTC

I got it straight away... then again I was at the beach for the 4th of July the water was just freezing... definite shrinkage :roll:. Damn ocean.

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Re: "The Sea" Discussion

Postby Belial » Wed Jul 16, 2008 5:39 pm UTC

I initially just saw the joke as "the ocean makes me feel small, therefore I will destroy it!"

Then realized it was a penis joke.

It was mildly funny both ways, I thought.
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Re: "The Sea" Discussion

Postby GodShapedBullet » Wed Jul 16, 2008 7:02 pm UTC

Maybe the penis way is a bit funnier.

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Re: "The Sea" Discussion

Postby DreadArchon » Wed Jul 16, 2008 7:20 pm UTC

:lol:

I fell for that one hook, line, and sinker. I giggled at the first punchline, when I thought he meant a pump to drain the ocean, and when the alt text hit I laughed loudly; I think I'm going to be chuckling about this all day.

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Re: "The Sea" Discussion

Postby sje46 » Wed Jul 16, 2008 7:21 pm UTC

Almost in register wrote:sje46's post above seems to have been overlooked, so I'll bring it up again: Has the title-text been changed? The alternative would be a case of sloppy transcription in the original post, and I'm certainly hoping it's not that.

Also, this may be nitpicky, but when can we stop using the misnomer "alt-text"? Randall properly calls it "title-text" in a recent comic, and as the source shows, the alt-text is actually "The Sea":

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<img src="http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/the_sea.png" title="And then a second one, to drain the sea." alt="The Sea" />

Hey, someone saw my post! Thanks.

I myself think that it was the original poster, because I don't see why randall would make such a change, unless he was trying to match the alt--sorry, title--text to the title of the strip. But I doubt that is too important to him.
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Re: "The Sea" Discussion

Postby Random832 » Wed Jul 16, 2008 8:32 pm UTC

sje46 wrote:
Almost in register wrote:sje46's post above seems to have been overlooked, so I'll bring it up again: Has the title-text been changed? The alternative would be a case of sloppy transcription in the original post, and I'm certainly hoping it's not that.

Also, this may be nitpicky, but when can we stop using the misnomer "alt-text"? Randall properly calls it "title-text" in a recent comic, and as the source shows, the alt-text is actually "The Sea":

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<img src="http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/the_sea.png" title="And then a second one, to drain the sea." alt="The Sea" />

Hey, someone saw my post! Thanks.

I myself think that it was the original poster, because I don't see why randall would make such a change, unless he was trying to match the alt--sorry, title--text to the title of the strip. But I doubt that is too important to him.


Really, the alt text should contain the whole joke, not the name of the strip. It's for blind people, you know. So, like

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<img src="http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/the_sea.png" title="And then a second one, to drain the sea." alt="SCENE: A moonlit beach. -- The sea always makes me realize / How small I really am. / I should get one of those pumps. -- HOVER TEXT: ......And then a second one, to drain the sea.">

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Re: "The Sea" Discussion

Postby sje46 » Wed Jul 16, 2008 9:05 pm UTC

Random832 wrote:
sje46 wrote:
Almost in register wrote:sje46's post above seems to have been overlooked, so I'll bring it up again: Has the title-text been changed? The alternative would be a case of sloppy transcription in the original post, and I'm certainly hoping it's not that.

Also, this may be nitpicky, but when can we stop using the misnomer "alt-text"? Randall properly calls it "title-text" in a recent comic, and as the source shows, the alt-text is actually "The Sea":

Code: Select all

<img src="http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/the_sea.png" title="And then a second one, to drain the sea." alt="The Sea" />

Hey, someone saw my post! Thanks.

I myself think that it was the original poster, because I don't see why randall would make such a change, unless he was trying to match the alt--sorry, title--text to the title of the strip. But I doubt that is too important to him.


Really, the alt text should contain the whole joke, not the name of the strip. It's for blind people, you know. So, like

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<img src="http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/the_sea.png" title="And then a second one, to drain the sea." alt="SCENE: A moonlit beach. -- The sea always makes me realize / How small I really am. / I should get one of those pumps. -- HOVER TEXT: ......And then a second one, to drain the sea.">

What do you mean it's for blind people?
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Re: "The Sea" Discussion

Postby Random832 » Wed Jul 16, 2008 9:19 pm UTC

sje46 wrote:
Random832 wrote:
sje46 wrote:
Almost in register wrote:sje46's post above seems to have been overlooked, so I'll bring it up again: Has the title-text been changed? The alternative would be a case of sloppy transcription in the original post, and I'm certainly hoping it's not that.

Also, this may be nitpicky, but when can we stop using the misnomer "alt-text"? Randall properly calls it "title-text" in a recent comic, and as the source shows, the alt-text is actually "The Sea":

Code: Select all

<img src="http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/the_sea.png" title="And then a second one, to drain the sea." alt="The Sea" />

Hey, someone saw my post! Thanks.

I myself think that it was the original poster, because I don't see why randall would make such a change, unless he was trying to match the alt--sorry, title--text to the title of the strip. But I doubt that is too important to him.


Really, the alt text should contain the whole joke, not the name of the strip. It's for blind people, you know. So, like

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<img src="http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/the_sea.png" title="And then a second one, to drain the sea." alt="SCENE: A moonlit beach. -- The sea always makes me realize / How small I really am. / I should get one of those pumps. -- HOVER TEXT: ......And then a second one, to drain the sea.">

What do you mean it's for blind people?


The "title" is what is showed to us when we hover the mouse over it.
The "alt" is what a blind person's computer reads to them with the screen reader program when it gets to an image. (or what a text-only browser shows, etc - it's never showed _along with_ the image, it's supposed to replace the image.)

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Re: "The Sea" Discussion

Postby sje46 » Wed Jul 16, 2008 9:26 pm UTC

Okay. I just didn't know what an alt-text was.

And I wasn't saying that he needed to make the title text say the title of the comic . . .of course not. I was saying that the comic's title is called "The Sea" and the title text originally (supposedly) said the word "ocean". I'm saying that it's possible, although unlikely, that randall changed it from "ocean" to "sea" in order to make them match. But more likely the OP is wrong.
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Re: "The Sea" Discussion

Postby Random832 » Wed Jul 16, 2008 9:27 pm UTC

sje46 wrote:Okay. I just didn't know what an alt-text was.

And I wasn't saying that he needed to make the title text say the title of the comic . . .of course not. I was saying that the comic's title is called "The Sea" and the title text originally (supposedly) said the word "ocean". I'm saying that it's possible, although unlikely, that randall changed it from "ocean" to "sea" in order to make them match. But more likely the OP is wrong.


Right. My point was, the _alt_ text _is_ the title of the comic, when really it should be a description of everything that's in it.

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Re: "The Sea" Discussion

Postby sje46 » Wed Jul 16, 2008 9:31 pm UTC

Random832 wrote:
sje46 wrote:Okay. I just didn't know what an alt-text was.

And I wasn't saying that he needed to make the title text say the title of the comic . . .of course not. I was saying that the comic's title is called "The Sea" and the title text originally (supposedly) said the word "ocean". I'm saying that it's possible, although unlikely, that randall changed it from "ocean" to "sea" in order to make them match. But more likely the OP is wrong.


Right. My point was, the _alt_ text _is_ the title of the comic, when really it should be a description of everything that's in it.

It looks like a description of the comic to me, if that code you posted is the alt text.
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Re: "The Sea" Discussion

Postby ADXCKGuy » Wed Jul 16, 2008 9:33 pm UTC

It is a description of the comic. That was the POINT. The true alt-text( NOT talking about the title-text) should be more than just the comic name, because the purpose of alt-text is to provide a description for people who cannot view images. And I think s/he was doing _this_( which you asked about but apparently edited out before I hit submit) for emphasis, rather than *this*, this, this, or this.

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Re: "The Sea" Discussion

Postby sje46 » Wed Jul 16, 2008 9:37 pm UTC

ADXCKGuy wrote:It is a description of the comic. That was the POINT. The true alt-text( NOT talking about the title-text) should be more than just the comic name, because the purpose of alt-text is to provide a description for people who cannot view images. And I think s/he was doing _this_ for emphasis, rather than *this*, this, this, or this.

Okay, I know what the alt text is now. I'm just confused as to why s/he is saying that currently the alt text says only the title even though the code s/he listed is a full description. Which one is it?

And I got rid of the second question, because I realized what it meant and I realized that it sounded a little mean.

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Nevermind. I know what you guys are talking about. Sorry.
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Re: "The Sea" Discussion

Postby sxiz » Wed Jul 16, 2008 10:15 pm UTC

I'm surprised at the number of people who didn't get it until the alt-text. If it had said 'a pump' I would understand but 'one of those pumps' implies dirty things for me.
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Re: "The Sea" Discussion

Postby Random832 » Wed Jul 16, 2008 10:36 pm UTC

sje46 wrote:
ADXCKGuy wrote:It is a description of the comic. That was the POINT. The true alt-text( NOT talking about the title-text) should be more than just the comic name, because the purpose of alt-text is to provide a description for people who cannot view images. And I think s/he was doing _this_ for emphasis, rather than *this*, this, this, or this.

Okay, I know what the alt text is now. I'm just confused as to why s/he is saying that currently the alt text says only the title even though the code s/he listed is a full description. Which one is it?


The code I posted was what it should say. The code that Almost in register posted is what it is.

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Re: "The Sea" Discussion

Postby Sprocket » Wed Jul 16, 2008 10:45 pm UTC

Belial wrote:I initially just saw the joke as "the ocean makes me feel small, therefore I will destroy it!"

Then realized it was a penis joke.

It was mildly funny both ways, I thought.
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Also I kind of wondered if there wasn't a little entendre in the alt. text.
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Re: "The Sea" Discussion

Postby ThemePark » Wed Jul 16, 2008 10:54 pm UTC

So I guess I was the only one who immediately thought about pumping iron, only to return to read the comic thread several hours later, see a comment on the first page and go "Ooooh..."?
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Re: "The Sea" Discussion

Postby Day Tripper » Thu Jul 17, 2008 12:27 am UTC

Ha! My brain did one of those weird double-takes. Perhaps my favourite alt-text ever.
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Re: "The Sea" Discussion

Postby quintopia » Thu Jul 17, 2008 12:41 am UTC

This is the first one in awhile that made me guffaw. Also, the moonlight on the water was nice.

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Re: "The Sea" Discussion

Postby sterces48 » Thu Jul 17, 2008 12:44 am UTC

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Me too, so much.

An excellent tip of the hat to Mr. Comeau.



I third the Softer World feel. Still enjoyed it... although A Softer World hasn't been as sharp lately, imo.

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Re: "The Sea" Discussion

Postby sje46 » Thu Jul 17, 2008 1:36 am UTC

Random832 wrote:
sje46 wrote:
ADXCKGuy wrote:It is a description of the comic. That was the POINT. The true alt-text( NOT talking about the title-text) should be more than just the comic name, because the purpose of alt-text is to provide a description for people who cannot view images. And I think s/he was doing _this_ for emphasis, rather than *this*, this, this, or this.

Okay, I know what the alt text is now. I'm just confused as to why s/he is saying that currently the alt text says only the title even though the code s/he listed is a full description. Which one is it?


The code I posted was what it should say. The code that Almost in register posted is what it is.

Yeah, I know. Took me awhile, though.
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Re: "The Sea" Discussion

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Re: "The Sea" Discussion

Postby scarletmanuka » Thu Jul 17, 2008 4:47 am UTC

Just wanted to add my name to the list of people who owe a debt to Gracenotes for the explanation, my reaction to the title-text being "... wait, what was the first pump for then? :?:" and being completely unable to work it out until Gracenotes posted it.

Maybe it's because I don't seem to get those emails. My spam bag usually just contains phishes and stuff about watches, pills and degrees.

And I have to agree about the art; it would have to rank with the best art I've seen on XKCD, especially with the colour.

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Re: "The Sea" Discussion

Postby magicdanw » Thu Jul 17, 2008 5:46 am UTC

I'm confused. When I read the text, I immediately got it was a penis joke. Then the alt-text was just like, "Yep. That really was a penis joke." Why wouldn't someone get from the picture? Why would feeling small and insignificant make you want to pump the ocean?

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Re: "The Sea" Discussion

Postby sje46 » Thu Jul 17, 2008 5:49 am UTC

magicdanw wrote:I'm confused. When I read the text, I immediately got it was a penis joke. Then the alt-text was just like, "Yep. That really was a penis joke." Why wouldn't someone get from the picture? Why would feeling small and insignificant make you want to pump the ocean?

To make the ocean smaller by comparison. Obviously.
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Re: "The Sea" Discussion

Postby magicdanw » Thu Jul 17, 2008 6:04 am UTC

sje46 wrote:
magicdanw wrote:I'm confused. When I read the text, I immediately got it was a penis joke. Then the alt-text was just like, "Yep. That really was a penis joke." Why wouldn't someone get from the picture? Why would feeling small and insignificant make you want to pump the ocean?

To make the ocean smaller by comparison. Obviously.
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Re: "The Sea" Discussion

Postby linguistic » Thu Jul 17, 2008 8:00 am UTC

Re: Title text being changed.

I have no proof other than my unreliable memory, but I'm reasonably certain the title text was originally "ocean" and Randall has changed it to "sea".

But I guess we'll never know, unless someone took a screenshot of it or something.

Also:
I agree with Random re: the alt-text being insufficient for its intended purpose.

However, there are other, less cumbersome and potentially richer ways of displaying transcripts of a comic; David Morgan-Mar handles it elegantly in his Irregular Webcomic!

There's a big push by the people who worry about this kind of stuff for sites to embrace usability standards; there's also a lot of arguing as to the best way to implement these usability standards, so it probably won't be widespread for a fair while.
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Re: "The Sea" Discussion

Postby auntiesue » Thu Jul 17, 2008 11:55 am UTC

Brilliant!

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Re: "The Sea" Discussion

Postby Ari » Thu Jul 17, 2008 3:20 pm UTC

Amarantha wrote:This one made me rofl :P My fiance likes to joke about his penis being small (it isn't). So I sent him this one and he was like, "hehe so true".

I think the prettiness of this one is part of the joke. It's all atmospheric and existential, and then the title-text goes, "Haha, fooled you - it's a dick-joke after all!" :mrgreen:


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Re: "The Sea" Discussion

Postby HadouKen24 » Thu Jul 17, 2008 3:29 pm UTC

cronholio wrote:I don't really have much experience in this area but isn't a penis pump supposed to help against erectile dysfunction instead of enlarging your member? Well, I mean, a pump will enlarge it but not permanently... I think you get the point.

Don't want to spoil the comic but I was just wondering... :|


There's no research that I know of supporting the idea, but a lot of penis enlargement companies claim that regular and consistent use of a pump does, in fact, improve both length and girth.

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Re: "The Sea" Discussion

Postby Sprocket » Thu Jul 17, 2008 3:58 pm UTC

sje46 wrote:
magicdanw wrote:I'm confused. When I read the text, I immediately got it was a penis joke. Then the alt-text was just like, "Yep. That really was a penis joke." Why wouldn't someone get from the picture? Why would feeling small and insignificant make you want to pump the ocean?

To make the ocean smaller by comparison. Obviously.
or maybe he likes to call the contents of his testicles "the sea."
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Re: "The Sea" Discussion

Postby sje46 » Thu Jul 17, 2008 6:23 pm UTC

Sprocket wrote:
sje46 wrote:
magicdanw wrote:I'm confused. When I read the text, I immediately got it was a penis joke. Then the alt-text was just like, "Yep. That really was a penis joke." Why wouldn't someone get from the picture? Why would feeling small and insignificant make you want to pump the ocean?

To make the ocean smaller by comparison. Obviously.
or maybe he likes to call the contents of his testicles "the sea."

Which, of course, is much more likely.
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Re: "The Sea" Discussion

Postby alanzo » Thu Jul 17, 2008 10:24 pm UTC

This comic caught me off guard a little bit. Normally XKCD comics aren't perverse in nature. Sure they often have to do with love and sex, but never with such blatant perversion. I can't recall the size of the character's wang ever coming up. At this point, I can't remember wangs EVER coming up in an XKCD comic. Except for perhaps the occasional non-sexual reference. Correct me if I'm wrong, of course.

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Re: "The Sea" Discussion

Postby sje46 » Thu Jul 17, 2008 11:06 pm UTC

alanzo wrote:This comic caught me off guard a little bit. Normally XKCD comics aren't perverse in nature. Sure they often have to do with love and sex, but never with such blatant perversion. I can't recall the size of the character's wang ever coming up. At this point, I can't remember wangs EVER coming up in an XKCD comic. Except for perhaps the occasional non-sexual reference. Correct me if I'm wrong, of course.

the science of cunnilingus one? And the let's move on one?
And this comic ain't perverse. Do you know what that word means?
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Re: "The Sea" Discussion

Postby alanzo » Thu Jul 17, 2008 11:33 pm UTC

sje46 wrote:
alanzo wrote:This comic caught me off guard a little bit. Normally XKCD comics aren't perverse in nature. Sure they often have to do with love and sex, but never with such blatant perversion. I can't recall the size of the character's wang ever coming up. At this point, I can't remember wangs EVER coming up in an XKCD comic. Except for perhaps the occasional non-sexual reference. Correct me if I'm wrong, of course.

the science of cunnilingus one? And the let's move on one?
And this comic ain't perverse. Do you know what that word means?


Of course I know what perverse means. I can see how you would say it's not perverse, given the world we live in, but this is the first comic I've seen to directly reference the human wang.

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Re: "The Sea" Discussion

Postby sje46 » Thu Jul 17, 2008 11:54 pm UTC

alanzo wrote:
sje46 wrote:
alanzo wrote:This comic caught me off guard a little bit. Normally XKCD comics aren't perverse in nature. Sure they often have to do with love and sex, but never with such blatant perversion. I can't recall the size of the character's wang ever coming up. At this point, I can't remember wangs EVER coming up in an XKCD comic. Except for perhaps the occasional non-sexual reference. Correct me if I'm wrong, of course.

the science of cunnilingus one? And the let's move on one?
And this comic ain't perverse. Do you know what that word means?


Of course I know what perverse means. I can see how you would say it's not perverse, given the world we live in, but this is the first comic I've seen to directly reference the human wang.

http://xkcd.com/95/
http://xkcd.com/194/
and
http://xkcd.com/136/
http://xkcd.com/333/
http://xkcd.com/400/
And what exactly is wrong with referencing sex?
And how would you define perverse?
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Re: "The Sea" Discussion

Postby Sythe » Fri Jul 18, 2008 1:00 am UTC

sje46 wrote:
alanzo wrote:
sje46 wrote:
alanzo wrote:This comic caught me off guard a little bit. Normally XKCD comics aren't perverse in nature. Sure they often have to do with love and sex, but never with such blatant perversion. I can't recall the size of the character's wang ever coming up. At this point, I can't remember wangs EVER coming up in an XKCD comic. Except for perhaps the occasional non-sexual reference. Correct me if I'm wrong, of course.

the science of cunnilingus one? And the let's move on one?
And this comic ain't perverse. Do you know what that word means?


Of course I know what perverse means. I can see how you would say it's not perverse, given the world we live in, but this is the first comic I've seen to directly reference the human wang.

http://xkcd.com/95/
http://xkcd.com/194/
and
http://xkcd.com/136/
http://xkcd.com/333/
http://xkcd.com/400/
And what exactly is wrong with referencing sex?
And how would you define perverse?


Well, it's obvious it's been mentioned before. I wonder why this comic popped up after "Things Fall Apart"? It was certainly a leap.
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Re: "The Sea" Discussion

Postby linguistic » Fri Jul 18, 2008 1:12 am UTC

alanzo wrote:...the human wang.


Phrase of the thread, imo.

It just brings up so many questions, each one more hilarious than the last.

5 stars.
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Re: "The Sea" Discussion

Postby alanzo » Fri Jul 18, 2008 1:20 am UTC

linguistic wrote:
alanzo wrote:...the human wang.


Phrase of the thread, imo.

It just brings up so many questions, each one more hilarious than the last.

5 stars.



I was quoting Homer Simpson if you're wondering. ;)

I suppose the comic puts me off because I've not ever seen sex-toy references in XKCD. But perhaps a wang-pump isn't really a toy, more of a device to enhance the experience, which would make it no more perverse than the Kama Sutra reference a few months ago.

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Re: "The Sea" Discussion

Postby sje46 » Fri Jul 18, 2008 1:42 am UTC

I was quoting Homer Simpson if you're wondering. ;)

I suppose the comic puts me off because I've not ever seen sex-toy references in XKCD. But perhaps a wang-pump isn't really a toy, more of a device to enhance the experience, which would make it no more perverse than the Kama Sutra reference a few months ago.[/quote]
It can be a toy, from what I've heard.
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