0503: "Terminology"

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0503: "Terminology"

Postby vaderdudenator » Wed Nov 12, 2008 5:01 am UTC

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Alt Text: Also, is it just me, or do Japan and New Zealand look suspiciously similar? Has anyone seen them at a party together?

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Re: Terminology

Postby Synthuir » Wed Nov 12, 2008 5:02 am UTC

Yeah, but you get used to it, I guess.

I feel inclined to add:
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Re: Terminology

Postby GodShapedBullet » Wed Nov 12, 2008 5:02 am UTC

This used to bug me even when I lived in India, where the terminology actually works.

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Re: Terminology

Postby alchemistique » Wed Nov 12, 2008 5:02 am UTC

The alt-text makes me laugh more than anything. It's kinda true...

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Re: Terminology

Postby Megatriorchis » Wed Nov 12, 2008 5:02 am UTC

I prefer the terms "Occidental" and "Oriental" myself.
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Re: Terminology

Postby glasnt » Wed Nov 12, 2008 5:03 am UTC

I have seen Japanese and Kiwis party together.

There was anime sheep everywhere.

I was scared.

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Re: Terminology

Postby includemaliciousintent » Wed Nov 12, 2008 5:03 am UTC

Interesting problem Randall, I will think about it...
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Re: Terminology

Postby videogamesizzle » Wed Nov 12, 2008 5:03 am UTC

yeah, who made the eastern hemisphere the center? besides the fact that modern civilization originated there?
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Re: Terminology

Postby von Eisenstein » Wed Nov 12, 2008 5:04 am UTC

Oh you're kidding. We both made the thread at 12:03 AM.
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Re: Terminology

Postby pjolson » Wed Nov 12, 2008 5:04 am UTC

oh, this one cracked me up, especially the alt-text. i love thinking about non-people in people terms.

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Re: Terminology

Postby xyzyxx » Wed Nov 12, 2008 5:05 am UTC

You do realize that the Americas are generally included in "The West", right?
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Re: Terminology

Postby GodShapedBullet » Wed Nov 12, 2008 5:05 am UTC

Megatriorchis wrote:I prefer the terms "Occidental" and "Oriental" myself.


I think ultimately the terms are only for people that can't handle their being more than one country and culture in Asia or Europe.

And anyway, it's so much easier to just talk about the part of whatever continent you want to talk about (ie Eastern Asia)

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Re: Terminology

Postby Synthuir » Wed Nov 12, 2008 5:07 am UTC

Right, like how the 'Middle East' is really Southwest Asia.
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Re: Terminology

Postby rwald » Wed Nov 12, 2008 5:07 am UTC

I'm looking forward to some comments discussing the sorts of parties to which Japan and New Zealand would be invited. I'm reminded of a social studies teacher from high school who compared the process of one country formally recognizing another country to the two countries being at a party, and the first country goes up to the second and says, "Hey, wait...you're <country name>, right? I saw you across the room and I thought I recognized you."
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Re: Terminology

Postby philsov » Wed Nov 12, 2008 5:08 am UTC

on a related topic I'm guilty of saying "I'm going up to XXXX" when in fact I'm going south, and "down to XXXX" when north. Sometimes I get it right, and sometimes I'm just thankful the other person usually knows where XXXX and can flop my ups and downs as needed!
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Re: Terminology

Postby davieb » Wed Nov 12, 2008 5:08 am UTC

I live in Arizona. It always annoys me when people refer to Kansas as the "Midwest." Excuse me, do you mean the "Mideast?"

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Re: Terminology

Postby firinne » Wed Nov 12, 2008 5:09 am UTC

Megatriorchis wrote:I prefer the terms "Occidental" and "Oriental" myself.


"Occidental" and "Oriental" are just fancy Latinate ways of saying "West" and "East". What's the difference?
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Re: Terminology

Postby Kain » Wed Nov 12, 2008 5:09 am UTC

If you want to add more confusion to the mixture, just live in central florida. The "South" is north of you, and the nearest "North" is south of you.
and ditto philsov on the going down north (I just say going down to n no matter where n is. After all, the earth slopes ever so slightly downwards from me in all directions, on average)
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Re: Terminology

Postby Steve the Pocket » Wed Nov 12, 2008 5:10 am UTC

Every map I've ever seen in textbooks placed our hemisphere at the far left. But it is still silly to refer to any part of the world as "THE East" or "THE West" since the terms are obviously relative. I mean, we've known about the earth being round for what, 2500 years now? Let's get with the program, people. Parts of a country or continent is another matter.

Also the alt text was clever.

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Re: Terminology

Postby sje46 » Wed Nov 12, 2008 5:11 am UTC

I thought Randall was from Boston, not Tennessee.
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Re: Terminology

Postby Eternal Density » Wed Nov 12, 2008 5:11 am UTC

I giggled silently at the Japan/New Zealand part.
I didn't really relate to the main comic very much... though I do simultaneously live in eastern Australia and consider it to be part of The West.
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Re: Terminology

Postby Megatriorchis » Wed Nov 12, 2008 5:12 am UTC

firinne wrote:
Megatriorchis wrote:I prefer the terms "Occidental" and "Oriental" myself.


"Occidental" and "Oriental" are just fancy Latinate ways of saying "West" and "East". What's the difference?

It doesn't irk me as much.
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Re: Terminology

Postby Whispering » Wed Nov 12, 2008 5:14 am UTC

sje46 wrote:I thought Randall was from Boston, not Tennessee.


That's what I thought to hmm maybe the alt-text should of been image not to scale.
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Re: Terminology

Postby TheHand » Wed Nov 12, 2008 5:16 am UTC

Well of course position is all relative.

If the Earth were flat then we wouldn't really have this issue. But then our compasses wouldn't work, haha.

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Re: Terminology

Postby Aspergia » Wed Nov 12, 2008 5:17 am UTC

glasnt wrote:I have seen Japanese and Kiwis party together.

There was anime sheep everywhere.

I was scared.


That sounds baaaaad.

Sorry, couldn't help it.

I used to like the sound of 'Occident' and 'Orient' until I inexplicably got an Enya song that features those words stuck in my head for about a week. Nevermore!

(Actually, it was something like "Occidens et Oriensis", but near enough.)
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Re: Terminology

Postby macrocephalic » Wed Nov 12, 2008 5:19 am UTC

I have to say I'm slightly offended. I thought Randall was above this. The whole problem is that he put America in the middle of his map - if he fixed that problem then it would be much easier to understand

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Re: Terminology

Postby ajslater » Wed Nov 12, 2008 5:20 am UTC

These terms were not meant to be relative to Valinor.

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Re: Terminology

Postby sje46 » Wed Nov 12, 2008 5:21 am UTC

Aspergia wrote:
glasnt wrote:I have seen Japanese and Kiwis party together.

There was anime sheep everywhere.

I was scared.


That sounds baaaaad.

Sorry, couldn't help it.

I used to like the sound of 'Occident' and 'Orient' until I inexplicably got an Enya song that features those words stuck in my head for about a week. Nevermore!

(Actually, it was something like "Occidens et Oriensis", but near enough.)

Westing and of the East?

I should brush up on my Latin . . . .
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Re: Terminology

Postby Gojoe » Wed Nov 12, 2008 5:21 am UTC

WOO! NZ got a mention!
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Re: Terminology

Postby cwoodin » Wed Nov 12, 2008 5:25 am UTC

I always run into trouble with "upper" and "lower" Egypt - upper is the southern region, while lower is the north.
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Re: Terminology

Postby pyroman » Wed Nov 12, 2008 5:26 am UTC

I agree with randall on this one although a very wise man once said "Many of the truths we cling to depend greatly on our point of view"

bonus points is you can name the quote
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Re: Terminology

Postby Megatriorchis » Wed Nov 12, 2008 5:27 am UTC

Gojoe wrote:WOO! NZ got a mention!

Yeah, I'm sure all those sheep are sitting at home on their laptops reading this right now.
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Re: Terminology

Postby The Meal » Wed Nov 12, 2008 5:27 am UTC

I demand Great Lakes.

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Re: Terminology

Postby Pifreak94 » Wed Nov 12, 2008 5:30 am UTC

See, this is what happened. Japan and New Zealand got together, and BOOM! Nova Scotia.

(It'd help if you were from Canada, or at least knew about each province.)

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Re: Terminology

Postby quietus » Wed Nov 12, 2008 5:31 am UTC

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Re: Terminology

Postby 1337geek » Wed Nov 12, 2008 5:33 am UTC

When I visited Japan in the fourth grade, a waitress asked me if I was from the East or West coast of America. I said East. She asked if I was from California, Oregon, or Washington. I, confused, said North Carolina. Then I was like "whoa, I'm in a different hemisphere." It still hurts my head.

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Re: Terminology

Postby BwaHaHa » Wed Nov 12, 2008 5:37 am UTC

To make things simpler, I figure, let's just go west until we get there.

It's 20 miles east? To bad. We're going west. This way, everything is in the west. Of course, the route can be adjusted for north and south as needed.

Highly impractical, but always fun to suggest when lost on car trips. :wink:
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Re: Terminology

Postby sje46 » Wed Nov 12, 2008 5:37 am UTC

pyroman wrote:I agree with randall on this one although a very wise man once said "Many of the truths we cling to depend greatly on our point of view"

bonus points is you can name the quote

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Re: Terminology

Postby phlip » Wed Nov 12, 2008 5:39 am UTC

It's always bugged me that I'm not the centre of the universe too.

But then I get on the Internet, where I can act like I am the centre of the universe, and then everything feels better.

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Re: Terminology

Postby feebas_factor » Wed Nov 12, 2008 5:42 am UTC

I would like to share something...

I recognize that most maps of the world display New Zealand with little detail or attention to its specific shape. This is probably the cause of the common misunderstandings as to what it really looks like. But I will clarify this now:

New Zealand looks like a fish chasing a canoe chasing a rock.

(The North Island, South Island and Stewart Island, respectively).

I hope that helps. Now everybody can draw their world maps with little accurate New Zealands and a clear conscience.

As for the Japan thing though... I'm still not supposed to comment on that.


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