sje46 wrote:And also, murder is traumatic to the family of the murdered and to the society they live in. Murder is a horrible, horrible thing, you know. I'm not saying rape should not being less seriously, but that
murder should be taken more seriously.
To my lasting disappointment hardly anyone cared to make clear to you your obvious logical fallacy -- that you confuse the severity of the crimes with the issue of how humourlessly we should treat them. That's a complete nonsequitur. I've seen humorous storylines about whole universes imploding, does that mean they such jokes should be seen as one trillion times more insensitive than jokes about a single man's murder, just because destroying a whole universe is a trillion times worse than killing a single person?
Logical fallacy, logical non-sequitur, confusion of your terminology (e.g. your usage of "serious"? Are you using it in the sense of "carrying importance" or in the sense of "without humour"? If you understood the distinction you'd see that there's hardly any problem with the situation you mention regarding the treatment of rape humour.)
And from that you somehow leap to the utterly ludicrous conclusion that murder *itself* (not just humour about it) is treated less severely than rape by our society. That's insanely ignorant.
Bah. I'll stop talking about how illogical the argument you're making is, and just lay out the reasons why I believe humor about rape is seen as worse than humor about murder. And even better WHY I believe humor about rape is worse than humor about murder.
Yes, murder is tragic and disrupts the lives not just of the murdered, but also of the families of the murdered, causing them lasting trauma. But what you don't see is that THAT'S exactly why nobody is afraid that joking about murder will trivialize it. You can't ever pretend murder never took place. THAT'S why joking about doesn't hurt anyone. You can't trivialize murder, not really (you *can* trivialize the murder of the foreigner though, which is why jokes about genocide, or about racist murder are also seen as vile) . Murder is brutal and its final , and the person who murders someone, knows they murdered them.
But there's a whole culture which urges the trivialization of rape -- a whole culture in which raped women have every incentive to keep pretending it didn't happen -- because if they'll press charges, they lawyers will just dig through their lives and find reasons to vilify them. There's the self-rationalization on the part of the rapists about how what they did wasn't really rape -- so even if they are rapists they can claim to themselves they aren't really, that the women wanted it. There's the societal justifications of the "boys will be boys" style.
That's why joking about rape can be much worse than joking about murder -- because in this case it acts as trivialization of the crime, something which is impossible to do with jokes about murder. Or with the implosion of universes for that matter.
The very same reasons you use to claim about how murder is worse than rape make it that *joking* about it is actually *less* bad.