0592: "Drama"

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0592: "Drama"

Postby The Scyphozoa » Wed Jun 03, 2009 4:00 am UTC

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Alt Text: This happens in geek circles every so often. The 'Hey, this is just a system I can figure out easily!' is also a problem among engineers first diving into the stock market.

http://www.xkcd.com/592/


Boy, do I hope I get this thread. Will have been my first one. Wooooooooo.

EDIT: WOOOOOO I got it. I win. Woo.

Also, the lame comic is lame.
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Re: "Drama" Discussion

Postby TurtleMidget » Wed Jun 03, 2009 4:01 am UTC

I lol'd.

Edit: Is l-o-l replaced with that sentence?
Then, uh, I laughed out loud.
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Re: "" Discussion

Postby hotaru » Wed Jun 03, 2009 4:01 am UTC

i'm pretty sure the title of that comic is "Drama", not "".

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Re: "" Discussion

Postby The Scyphozoa » Wed Jun 03, 2009 4:03 am UTC

hotaru wrote:i'm pretty sure the title of that comic is "Drama", not "".

I DID fix that before you posted. I mean, really, I had a page of the forum with "Drama" Discussion. Posts: 0. So, yeah.
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Re: "Drama" Discussion

Postby joee » Wed Jun 03, 2009 4:04 am UTC

I want to know what the new rules are!

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Re: "Drama" Discussion

Postby abstractpotato » Wed Jun 03, 2009 4:04 am UTC

Not as entertaining as I've come to expect...

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Re: "Drama" Discussion

Postby Eternal Density » Wed Jun 03, 2009 4:05 am UTC

Not especially funny, but the resulting forum discussion will be interesting. I expect many attempts at defining the simplified drama-free social rules...

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Re: "Drama" Discussion

Postby Walter.Horvath » Wed Jun 03, 2009 4:06 am UTC

You start running into problems when the morality between monogamy/pregnancy/STIs come into play.

Dammit, everyone just be monogamous and pull out and this wouldn't be a problem *><*

Hmm... maybe legal contracts would work?

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Re: "Drama" Discussion

Postby dr7 » Wed Jun 03, 2009 4:08 am UTC

Seinfeld's "The Deal"?
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Re: "Drama" Discussion

Postby Snowdream » Wed Jun 03, 2009 4:12 am UTC

Wow, that is the best pun ever!
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Re: "Drama" Discussion

Postby funda » Wed Jun 03, 2009 4:12 am UTC

Hmmm ...


Is the x-axis representing what I'm thinking ?? :wink:


Or is it the other thing ?
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Re: "Drama" Discussion

Postby MiB24601 » Wed Jun 03, 2009 4:13 am UTC

The problem of creating simple rules for systems based around human behavior is that you can't change human behavior. I remember Arthur C. Clarke mentioned this in 3001 when discussing communism.

Of course, if there was no drama about sex, there wouldn't need to be a "Love, Sex, and Relationships" board and that place is kinda fun, so what can you do?
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Re: "Drama" Discussion

Postby Steve the Pocket » Wed Jun 03, 2009 4:13 am UTC

Walter.Horvath wrote:You start running into problems when the morality between monogamy/pregnancy/STIs come into play.

Dammit, everyone just be monogamous and pull out and this wouldn't be a problem *><*

"Everyone"? Well that would solve your social problems in a real hurry. :P
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Re: "Drama" Discussion

Postby glasnt » Wed Jun 03, 2009 4:23 am UTC

The new rules are in the book, silly. http://xkcd.com/330/


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Re: "Drama" Discussion

Postby includemaliciousintent » Wed Jun 03, 2009 4:24 am UTC

Uh, this comic isn't appearing on the front page for me. I think we have a problem. o.0
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Re: "Drama" Discussion

Postby sdedeo » Wed Jun 03, 2009 4:31 am UTC

This is a terrific comic for a complex systems lecture. Unfortunately, it is not (even close) to being PG-13, which is about as risqué as you can go in an academic environment. One can just delete the superfluous "holy shit", but does anyone have a good suggestion for an alternative to "sex"? Not an alternative to sex, mind you, an alternative to "sex".

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Re: "Drama" Discussion

Postby Iluvatar » Wed Jun 03, 2009 4:33 am UTC

The simple rules would be pretty easy to define. Just remove all the preconceived notions that are attached to it and treat it like any other pleasurable exchange between two people (say, playing tennis, for example)- be safe and have fun. At a glance, this seems like it'd solve all the problems, though as Randall points out, it ain't that easy.

I suppose a good point for discussion would be to determine whether the failure of such a system results from the system itself, or the impossible transition? I mean, if we could wipe everyone's mind of their notions of how sex should work and replace it with such a set of rules, would it work then? I'm not sure.
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Re: "Drama" Discussion

Postby mamerong » Wed Jun 03, 2009 4:49 am UTC

I think he copied the graph from al gore...

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Re: "Drama" Discussion

Postby BirdLauncher » Wed Jun 03, 2009 4:56 am UTC

I want a Fourier transform of the pre-rule change drama vs time graph.

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Re: "Drama" Discussion

Postby eleniy86 » Wed Jun 03, 2009 5:04 am UTC

i dont know about you, but it's too much drama and kaflama for my momma

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Re: "Drama" Discussion

Postby KShap » Wed Jun 03, 2009 5:08 am UTC

Compared to Monday's awesome comic, this is kind of a let down.

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Re: "Drama" Discussion

Postby StClair » Wed Jun 03, 2009 5:41 am UTC

Yes. This is precisely how geeks earnestly set out to "solve" problems that have simply been waiting for someone as brilliant as us to come along.

Good comic.

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Re: "Drama" Discussion

Postby phillipsjk » Wed Jun 03, 2009 5:42 am UTC

The stock market mention in the "alt" text makes me think that the graph is the value Randall's stock portfolio printed up-side down.
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Re: "Drama" Discussion

Postby Peripatetic » Wed Jun 03, 2009 5:50 am UTC

This reminds me of every slashdot discussion involving gender equality in math and science. "But, if we give women more encouragement and opportunities, then it won't be a level playing field!" :facepalm:

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Re: "Drama" Discussion

Postby Simplex » Wed Jun 03, 2009 5:51 am UTC

sdedeo wrote:This is a terrific comic for a complex systems lecture. Unfortunately, it is not (even close) to being PG-13, which is about as risqué as you can go in an academic environment. One can just delete the superfluous "holy shit", but does anyone have a good suggestion for an alternative to "sex"? Not an alternative to sex, mind you, an alternative to "sex".


Coitus, perhaps? A little coitus, never hoitus. ;)

Not a single "Randall, get out of my head"? Ok, I'll be first up. Life can be so complicated.

I rather liked todays comic, it's not hot cheese material, but gives you that self-reflective smile, and maybe a quiet giggle.

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Re: "Drama" Discussion

Postby booyabazooka » Wed Jun 03, 2009 6:01 am UTC

Poor chap tried to apply math to the real world. I like panel 4. Holding the door closed... just what happened out there?

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Re: "Drama" Discussion

Postby Code J » Wed Jun 03, 2009 6:23 am UTC

Don't understand the hate for this comic, I think this one is particularly poignant (and funny).

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Re: "Drama" Discussion

Postby westrim » Wed Jun 03, 2009 6:37 am UTC

This comic reminds me of when I invented Socialism at the age of 8. I had thought about it for a week or so, then laid it out for my dad during a drive home from somewhere (with everything shared equally and slackers put in a nice prison until they pulled it together and such- ah, the idealism). He looked at me funny, but waited until we got home to say anything. Then he showed me the encyclopedia entry and explained to me that people just don't work that way most of the time.

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Re: "Drama" Discussion

Postby crzftx » Wed Jun 03, 2009 6:37 am UTC

I liked it. Simple and humorous.

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Re: "Drama" Discussion

Postby cyberblade » Wed Jun 03, 2009 6:38 am UTC

Reminds me of something I vaguely remember hearing on NPR in the last week or so (I believe the piece had something to do with the hypothetical of an injection that would be a male contraceptive, but I digress...). One of the callers, or commentators, or someone said how the invention of the pill allowed women to be "free-er" sexually, and that caused a whole set of other issues, like the spread of STD's, and rise in single mothers, etc...

I'm not sure if the graph references this, or some other fact... But it brings me to a point that is well illustrated by the Wizard's Second Rule (yeah, I just read the whole Sword of Truth series last month for the first time, so sue me...) "the greatest harm can result from the best intentions".

People are complicated... A good thing-like the pill, has had some serious unforeseen side effects, some good, others not at all. If this isn't a historical graph, I wonder what it might be referencing about the present or future-and what those consequences are we're going to suffer?

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Postby dennisw » Wed Jun 03, 2009 6:47 am UTC

sdedeo wrote:This is a terrific comic for a complex systems lecture. Unfortunately, it is not (even close) to being PG-13, which is about as risqué as you can go in an academic environment. One can just delete the superfluous "holy shit", but does anyone have a good suggestion for an alternative to "sex"? Not an alternative to sex, mind you, an alternative to "sex".

Nice demonstration of the drama!
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Postby ccx » Wed Jun 03, 2009 7:07 am UTC

I dunno. Responsible open relationship is working for me, and that's not the standart model of behavior for most people. I think that implementing non-standart features in relationship protocol, when it's well agreed upon by all sides, is good idea. Or atleast fun.
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Re: "Drama" Discussion

Postby UmbralRaptor » Wed Jun 03, 2009 7:09 am UTC

The real problem is that a lot of humans like drama and will work to generate it. Sex is only a convenient ritual for summoning drahma llamas.

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Re: "Drama" Discussion

Postby cyberblade » Wed Jun 03, 2009 7:17 am UTC

UmbralRaptor wrote:The real problem is that a lot of humans like drama and will work to generate it. Sex is only a convenient ritual for summoning drahma llamas.

...lousy humans...



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Re: "Drama" Discussion

Postby Meng Bomin » Wed Jun 03, 2009 7:21 am UTC

I'm going to echo Code J and say that this was actually one of the better comics I've seen, so the amount of disparagement for it in this thread seems a bit strange to me.

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Re: "Drama" Discussion

Postby prokrastinatorSF » Wed Jun 03, 2009 8:18 am UTC

Wow... this was exactly, exactly me in high school. Then I decided to write about it on my online journal. Boy did that go over well.

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Re: "Drama" Discussion

Postby Ool » Wed Jun 03, 2009 8:52 am UTC

I think the only way you can make sex easy without drama is to create a Matrix-like virtual reality environment that allows consequence-free promiscuous behavior with simulated drama thrown in—the same way that Grand Theft Auto IV allows you to create consequence-free mayhem in sociopath heaven.

In real life sex is never going to be easy because it isn’t meant to be easy. It isn’t meant to make you happy. It’s merely meant to incentivize you to create offspring, and the high level of pleasure we derive from it exists precisely because of the high level of difficulty getting there in the first place and dealing with the results of conception later…
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Re: "Drama" Discussion

Postby OBloodyHell » Wed Jun 03, 2009 8:53 am UTC

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And this folks, is why the "sexual revolution" of the 1960s died out.

Not drugs, not disease -- but because of the Drama.


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Re: "Drama" Discussion

Postby kittens » Wed Jun 03, 2009 9:03 am UTC

Another exciting chapter in xkcd's race to the bottom.

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Re: "Drama" Discussion

Postby Fallible » Wed Jun 03, 2009 9:07 am UTC

As a side topic;

Are there any other engineers diving into the stock market for the first time? I started around six months ago and wouldn't mind exploring ideas with someone representative of the high level of commentary generally found on these boards.

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