0561: "Well"

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0561: "Well"

Postby Delass » Fri Mar 27, 2009 4:04 am UTC

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Alt text: I'll concede ergonomics anecdotally, but none of the studies of Dvorak were at all rigorous (the most-cited Navy study was overseen by Dvorak himself), and QWERTY had a lot of fair competition. And the 'slow typists down' thing is basically a myth. Also EMACS RULES WOOOOOOO!

Er, editted, second alt text, I guess?: I'll concede ergonomics anecdotally, but none of the studies of Dvorak were at all rigorous (the most-cited Navy study was overseen by Dvorak himself). And the 'slow typists down' thing is basically a myth. Also EMACS RULES VI DROOLS WOOOOOOO!


I need a dvorak keyboard to type the alt text.
I think this one will be a classic, I loved it.
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Re: "Well" Discussion

Postby RanCorp » Fri Mar 27, 2009 4:06 am UTC

No fair editing the ALT text...

And I say this as a hard-core Vi user...


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Re: "Well" Discussion

Postby SocialSceneRepairman » Fri Mar 27, 2009 4:08 am UTC

And you thought we wouldn't notice!

Remember, everyone, alphabetize your keyboards.

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Re: "Well" Discussion

Postby Zenexer » Fri Mar 27, 2009 4:08 am UTC

Yet another Dvorak reference. to be honest, Dvorak isn't that bad. However, I think keyboard hardware has more impact on speed than layout.

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Re: "Well" Discussion

Postby trvsdrlng » Fri Mar 27, 2009 4:09 am UTC

Yeah. VI user here. We have a war, Munroe. :twisted:
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Re: "Well" Discussion

Postby glasnt » Fri Mar 27, 2009 4:10 am UTC

Where are all the asians in Firefly.. apart from the Teacher in Serenity there was hardly any...

*head spin*

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Re: "Well" Discussion

Postby TheHand » Fri Mar 27, 2009 4:11 am UTC

I would say firefly is overrated, but I might get my head chopped off.

Still a very good show though.

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Re: "Well" Discussion

Postby alitheiapsis » Fri Mar 27, 2009 4:18 am UTC

When I first read the title--after reading the comic--I thought it meant something like, "Well..." The sort of thing you'd say after receiving an awkward truth. And then I realized that it meant the well itself.

And then I realized that "well" has a lot of meanings. It pretty much blew my mind. :D

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Re: "Well" Discussion

Postby crzftx » Fri Mar 27, 2009 4:24 am UTC

I thought the comic was much funnier than the alt-text. Actually, the alt-text wasn't funny at all. A shame, really.

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Re: "Well" Discussion

Postby dennisw » Fri Mar 27, 2009 4:26 am UTC

Uncomfortable truths:
  • Real programmers use vi punch cards toggle switches.
  • Good ol' Dave Qwerty was a riot at parties - it was after a particularly wild one that he "re-arranged" his keyboard - embedding his name in the layout.
  • "I love you." I meant it. What I meant by it was very likely different than what you meant. By the way, it worked.
  • I haven't seen any Firefly yet.
  • I'm not yet on board with the whole "Summer Glau Obsession" thing - but I can see how it might happen for me eventually.
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Re: "Well" Discussion

Postby Drooling Iguana » Fri Mar 27, 2009 4:27 am UTC

Does anyone still care about the vi/EMACS thing? Personally, I just use Nano when I have to edit a file through a console connection and NEdit or Gedit when I'm doing serious coding.

Still, if I was forced to choose one or the other I'd have to go with vi. I'd rather have a program that does one thing and does it well than a bloated mess that requires you to hold down every modifier key on your keyboard at once to do anything.

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Re: "Well" Discussion

Postby jnnnnn » Fri Mar 27, 2009 4:31 am UTC

I thought that the evolutionary study this guy did was pretty thorough:

http://klausler.com/evolved.html

Also a pretty cool technique.

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Re: "Well" Discussion

Postby ParanoidDrone » Fri Mar 27, 2009 4:32 am UTC

I'm afraid I don't get the last panel. I'm also afraid that my need for sleep means I won't be able to read any answers until tomorrow morning.
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Re: "Well" Discussion

Postby athelas » Fri Mar 27, 2009 4:32 am UTC

Firefly: so true

Also <3 vi.

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Re: "Well" Discussion

Postby glasnt » Fri Mar 27, 2009 4:32 am UTC

dennisw wrote:[*]I'm not yet on board with the whole "Summer Glau Obsession" thing - but I can see how it might happen for me eventually.[/list]

I'm not a fan of her personally. I prefer Kaylee. She's so cute and fluffy and not in a 'i would sex her' way, as in a way where 'aww she's like a cute me'

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Re: "Well" Discussion

Postby JonScholar » Fri Mar 27, 2009 4:35 am UTC

Am I the only one here that genuinely disliked Firefly? I mean the whole idea of cowboys in space was interesting, but the concept was just destroyed by bad dialogue and bad acting. Tremendously overrated show.

On another note: cool comic bro.

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Re: "Well" Discussion

Postby Cathode Ray Sunshine » Fri Mar 27, 2009 4:38 am UTC

Those last two panels....just...damn.

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Re: "Well" Discussion

Postby benwr » Fri Mar 27, 2009 4:42 am UTC

I disagree. The alt text was equally funny, if not more funny, than the comic itself. As always.

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Re: "Well" Discussion

Postby dr7 » Fri Mar 27, 2009 4:45 am UTC

I was with you till you supported emacs.

Emacs must die a horrible, painful death.

Vi(m) forever.

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Re: "Well" Discussion

Postby Drooling Iguana » Fri Mar 27, 2009 4:46 am UTC

The alt text was just the title of the strip, although the titletext was somewhat funny.

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Re: "Well" Discussion

Postby theta4 » Fri Mar 27, 2009 4:48 am UTC

It took me to a while to figure out that the *well* was saying those things. Now it makes sense. The last two panes are quite different from the previous two as far as emotion is concerned...imho. Certainly a notable shift in meaning.

And I grew up using emacs and I still use it to this day. So....EMACS FTW!!

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Re: "Well" Discussion

Postby EthErealist » Fri Mar 27, 2009 4:50 am UTC

Kudos, Randall, for pointing out the racist casting choices of Firefly. There many viable Asian-American names in the industry today, and looking over them was a huge insult.

Firefly is years old, though. Hollywood is starting to look a little more fair and open-minded now, so it's getting easier to cope.

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Re: "Well" Discussion

Postby ex-kgb » Fri Mar 27, 2009 4:55 am UTC

Obligatory mention of colemak.


(Better than Dvorak.)

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Re: "Well" Discussion

Postby twild1990 » Fri Mar 27, 2009 4:58 am UTC

I <3 VI.

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Re: "Well" Discussion

Postby SlightlyEvil » Fri Mar 27, 2009 5:08 am UTC

EMACS FOREVER!

Also, good comic.

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Re: "Well" Discussion

Postby pocketfulofgold » Fri Mar 27, 2009 5:14 am UTC

as Commentary clearly points out, "nobody's Asian in the movies - nobody's Asian on TV."

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Re: "Well" Discussion

Postby atimholt » Fri Mar 27, 2009 5:16 am UTC

dvorak ftw. Seriously.
As for that evolutionary keyboard calculation program, that's cool. It'd be really cool if someone with a Ph.D. in biophysics picked it up, and was a really good (intuitive) programmer.
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But shouldn't it be the ',.pyf keyboard?
Or maybe we should take a cue from Animaniacs and call it the 'aoeui' keyboard, pronounced as a word.
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Who else here has taught themselves to pronounce the alphabet as a word? How 'bout backwards? Something even more useless than memorizing 20 digits of pi.
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yeah.

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Re: "Well" Discussion

Postby KTC » Fri Mar 27, 2009 5:18 am UTC

I can kill you with my brain!

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Re: "Well" Discussion

Postby BlueNight » Fri Mar 27, 2009 5:22 am UTC

Randall, you know Robin Williams' secret: comedy is the quickest way to the heart.

But if I could edit history, keyboards would be alphabetical, number pads would be top-to-bottom like phones, and everybody would be using octal. (Except that would change both phones and keypads...)

And edit.exe is king! King, I say! Mwah haha ha haha ha!!!
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Re: "Well" Discussion

Postby sje46 » Fri Mar 27, 2009 5:23 am UTC

Whatever vi is, I hate it. Because you geeks like it so much.

No go play Dragon's and Dungeons with your pokemon, you asian-pornography obsessed nerds.

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Re: "Well" Discussion

Postby RuBLed » Fri Mar 27, 2009 5:26 am UTC

ex-kgb wrote:Obligatory mention of colemak.
(Better than Dvorak.)


I agree with this (I use colemak) and it's more fun when others can't use your PC without me telling them to hit Ctrl+Shift to change layouts. :twisted:

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Re: "Well"

Postby Istaro » Fri Mar 27, 2009 5:29 am UTC

That was deep.

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Re: "Well" Discussion

Postby J the Ninja » Fri Mar 27, 2009 5:36 am UTC

The Firefly pilot did have those Asian guys in the establishing shots of the docks at Persephone.

Also, comic = WIN.
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Re: "Well" Discussion

Postby mcthuggy » Fri Mar 27, 2009 5:48 am UTC

All emac/VI/Firefly aside... did this not also remind anyone of the "Bucket of Truth" from an episode of Upright Citizens Brigade? I might be the only person that actually enjoyed that extremely short series.

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Re: "Well" Discussion

Postby Thomtzvi » Fri Mar 27, 2009 5:55 am UTC

I really enjoyed the alt-text, even more then the comic. I also support dvorak keyboards and Vi.

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Re: "Well" Discussion

Postby dsutton » Fri Mar 27, 2009 6:06 am UTC

Hey, in the last panel, she didn't put anything in... how come she gets an uncomfortable truth?

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Re: "Well" Discussion

Postby Meng Bomin » Fri Mar 27, 2009 6:09 am UTC

The Chinese element of Firefly/Serenity was probably the worst executed element of the story. Not just the demographics, but the pronunciation and consistency. That said, it seemed that in Serenity, the English-Chinese duality of language usage was broken down as there was definitely written material in Arabic script and Japanese, though I also recall seeing some Japanese in "Trash", so I guess the the notion of including other languages wasn't introduced in Serenity.

EDIT: I should note that the worst part was the attempt at pronouncing Chinese by the actors. While in principle, it was kind of cool to see it worked into the script, most of the actual implementation made it quite clear that the actors weren't familiar with the language and that kind of ruined it. Reading what they were supposed to say and comparing it to how it came out is kind of fun(ny) though.
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Re: "Well" Discussion

Postby BCube » Fri Mar 27, 2009 6:11 am UTC

dsutton wrote:Hey, in the last panel, she didn't put anything in... how come she gets an uncomfortable truth?


I think the last two panels were part of the same uncomfortable truth.
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Re: "Well" Discussion

Postby TimLambert » Fri Mar 27, 2009 6:13 am UTC

Don Norman compared keyboard layouts with a computer model of human typing. On page147 of "The Design of Everyday Things" he writes:
"There is a better way -- the Dvorak keyboard -- painstakingly developed by (and named after) one of the founders of industrial engineering. It is easier to learn and allows for about 10 percent faster typing, but that is simply not enough of an improvement to merit a revolution in the keyboard. Millions of people would have to learn a new style of typing. Millions of keybords would have to be changed. The severe constraints of existing pratice prevent change, even where the change would be an improvement.[7]"

In end note 7 he writes:
"Admirers of the Dvorak keyboard claim much more than a 10 percent improvement, as well as faster learning rates and less fatigue. But I will stick by my studies and my statements."


And there's no evidence that Dvorak was in charge of the Navy study...

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Re: "Well" Discussion

Postby Elizabeth... » Fri Mar 27, 2009 6:19 am UTC

Nobody's Asian in the movies. Nobody's Asian on tv. If there is a part there for [them] it's the groupie in the chorus...


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