0601: "Game Theory"

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Re: "Game Theory" Discussion

Postby nomulous » Wed Jun 24, 2009 5:19 am UTC

sje46 wrote:Ahhh, love. I remember the first time I fell in love...


I don't know what that was, but damn did I ever enjoy it.

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Re: "Game Theory" Discussion

Postby DSDM » Wed Jun 24, 2009 5:20 am UTC

Actually, the only winning move is to play wi-- ahem, by yourself.

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Re: "Game Theory" Discussion

Postby 10nitro » Wed Jun 24, 2009 5:27 am UTC

Samv6271__ wrote:I don't know why so few people have mentioned it yet ...
but I've DEFINITELY lost thegame.

At least 3 different times while reading this comic.

I did while I was making my post, but then I doublethinked it away. Congrats you brought down Oceania.
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Re: "Game Theory" Discussion

Postby DSDM » Wed Jun 24, 2009 5:31 am UTC

There is no "iddqd" for love. And up, up, down, down, left, right, left, right, B, A, start is still illegal in at least 23 states.

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Re: "Game Theory" Discussion

Postby war3_master » Wed Jun 24, 2009 6:04 am UTC

Ah, War Games. Love that movie. It is one of the more accurate "hacker" movies out there, though some stuff was actually wrong. I actually got to see it in theaters when Fantom Events brought it back to select theaters for one night only last year.

Dr._Orion wrote:So, I think we can all conclude from this that:

Love = Global Thermonuclear War

Which means that all the hippies in the world asking for everybody to love each other...

Edit: Whoah, That forum feature that lets you review your post if someone else posts while you were writing it is nifty.

Actually: Love = Tic-Tac-Toe :D

And that forum feature is a standard part of phpBB, and has been for a while.

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Re: "Game Theory" Discussion

Postby SandyCaesar » Wed Jun 24, 2009 6:08 am UTC

Awesome.

I watched WarGames backed in 9th Grade, as part of our Cold War unit, and I got a nice blast to the past last year when I got Uplink. I never expected it to be brought back up again here.

Dr._Orion wrote:So, I think we can all conclude from this that:

Love = Global Thermonuclear War

Which means that all the hippies in the world asking for everybody to love each other...


WIN.

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Re: "Game Theory" Discussion

Postby 380 » Wed Jun 24, 2009 6:14 am UTC

Interesting that this is the actual 600th comic since there's no 404 which makes it even more interesting because the alt-text of 403 involves Erdos and so does our recently happened 599. Just thought I'd share that tidbit of useless linkage.

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Re: "Game Theory" Discussion

Postby penguinbassist » Wed Jun 24, 2009 6:31 am UTC

I thought of Wargames as I read this... Now I know why!!

lol, a great comic.
SandyCaesar wrote:Awesome.
Dr._Orion wrote:So, I think we can all conclude from this that:

Love = Global Thermonuclear War

Which means that all the hippies in the world asking for everybody to love each other...


WIN.


WIN++;

I thought they had a funny look in their glazed, peace-symbol-contact-lensed eyes... :!:

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Re: "Game Theory" Discussion

Postby joee » Wed Jun 24, 2009 6:38 am UTC

Hahaha, nice call, Randall.

hi glasnt!
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Re: "Game Theory" Discussion

Postby popprocks » Wed Jun 24, 2009 6:39 am UTC

We should start calling Randal "His High Intelligence Doctor Randall Monroe the Third, PhD; The Greatest Philosopher of our Time."

Seriously.

This idea has been passed around more than a joint on 420. EVERYBODY is familiar with the notion that 'love' (although every time Randall mentions love, I get the feeling he is talking about sex or immature young adult's/teenager's relationships, not REAL love) is complicated. Just a few comics ago, Randall makes a genius insight that sex causes people to act very emotionally and/or seriously, resulting in complications (which he tries to remedy). Now, His High Intelligence Doctor Randall Monroe the Third, PhD; The Greatest Philosopher of our Time lets us in on the clue that -love in general!- often results in heartbreak (of the shallow variety) and depression.

The alt-text also implies that, even though love is volatile and potentially harmful, that it is also just as bad to completely ignore the pursuit of 'love' (or whatever Randall perceives 'love' is).

Firstly, you're wrong. Unless you plan on pursuing a LEGITIMATE relationship, not a 'friend with benefits' that Randall is so crazy about, nor a stranger that you're automatically attracted to because she does the M.C. Hammer slide (or reads books alone in the streets), nor a robot, then being temporarily (permanently) relationship-less is FINE. Either be fucking serious about somebody you have spent time with for a few years and trust, or -don't- pursue a relationship. If you're not going to treat somebody more than just as a temporary date interest, then NOT 'playing the love game' IS a winning move.

Second, is there something especially depressing about not running around with the opposite (same) sex your entire life? Is being alone really being lonely? Does having no soul mate make you soul-less? Do you 'lose?' Nobody is crazy enough to validate that as true, unless of course His High Intelligence Doctor Randall Monroe the Third, PhD; The Greatest Philosopher of our Time says so.

So, aside from this comic being outright incorrect in every respect, the punchline is BAD.

"Computer: Analyze love for me"
"The only way to be happy is to not have love. The only way to be happy is also to have love.

. . .

"Okay. I'm going to do something else"

GREAT.

I wonder how much Randall would charge for him to make his comics private so that only I can view his wit and insight.

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Re: "Game Theory" Discussion

Postby wafflerider » Wed Jun 24, 2009 7:03 am UTC

This always happens when there's a comic about relationships. Whatever's going on in the comic might be a subtle glimpse into the writer's personal life... or it might just be a comic. I mean for god's sake it's a pun.

I don't know why people are so quick to jump on Randall personally for these things. Relationships can be a heavy topic, but taking serious things not-so-seriously is what humor's about, right?

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Re: "Game Theory" Discussion

Postby heavy_cruiser@hotmail.com » Wed Jun 24, 2009 7:04 am UTC

Popprocks, mate, seriously just chill the fuck out. You don't have to love every comic Randall does, but whats this beating the shit out of it? I like it, find humor in it and some sense of truth too. Next time just go look at some porn for a bit before venting, alright? You need something to put a smile back on ya.

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Re: "Game Theory" Discussion

Postby mandaloin » Wed Jun 24, 2009 7:08 am UTC

I find this to be pretty depressing... And yeah I think Randall might have gone through a heartbreak. And not being able to win love seems to be a recurring theme here in these comics. And whoever asked why would you leave Randall he's the god of the Internet... First off, the god of the Internet? I don't know about that one. And secondly I know plenty of girls who
Would not be impressed by the fact that someone is computer savvy. In fact it would probably turn a few of them off.

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Re: "Game Theory" Discussion

Postby miggit999 » Wed Jun 24, 2009 7:19 am UTC

So the only type of love people have to win would be the romantic kind here? Which means nothing like parent-child or sibling relationships count, or...I'm overthinking this and I need sleep. :?

Still thought the comic was sorta funny though, even if I had no idea there was a reference to something while I read it.
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Re: "Game Theory" Discussion

Postby phlip » Wed Jun 24, 2009 7:26 am UTC

I choose to believe that popprocks was just trying and failing to imitate sje, and move on.

fenrir_darkwolf wrote:Last comic the andriod girlfriend ditches him, now this... Anyone else think Randall went through some sort of a heartbreak recently?

Why do people make this assumption every time xkcd has a comic involving romance, on either side? If a character in the strip is in love, people assume Randall's got a new GF. If a character in the strip breaks up, people assume Randall's just broken up. What's so special about this topic? People didn't comment in the thread for Apocalypse speculating that Randall had just co-authored a maths paper...

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Re: "Game Theory" Discussion

Postby Pazuzu » Wed Jun 24, 2009 7:28 am UTC

sje46 wrote:Ahhh, love. <...>

Yes! Just... yes! Thank you! <3

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Re: "Game Theory" Discussion

Postby duatb89 » Wed Jun 24, 2009 7:54 am UTC

I really enjoyed this one. Is there anyway to get a poster print of this at all?

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Re: "Game Theory" Discussion

Postby Ekeda » Wed Jun 24, 2009 8:16 am UTC

Thank God Randall's finally back on track!

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Re: "Game Theory" Discussion

Postby bilby » Wed Jun 24, 2009 10:00 am UTC

I can't believe no one has said this yet:

What a WOPR of a strip!

Ok, now I can't believe I said that. Perhaps everyone else is better at spotting a stupid comment before hitting 'Submit' than I. Ho Hum.
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Re: "Game Theory" Discussion

Postby guyy » Wed Jun 24, 2009 10:02 am UTC

Good comic; though in my experience, the only winning move is to act excessively normal and always know where your seven-leaf clover is.

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Re: "Game Theory" Discussion

Postby yavinfour » Wed Jun 24, 2009 10:12 am UTC

sunami wrote:
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That pic looks like from a scene from (and a quote)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WarGames:_The_Dead_Code
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Re: "Game Theory" Discussion

Postby yelly » Wed Jun 24, 2009 11:15 am UTC

Whyareall wrote:I actually ¡This cheese is burning me!'d.

But this raises the question: If said computer played chess against itself, would it also end in a stalemate every time?

Well, usually not actually, otherwise computer chess tournaments would be impossible. This will only be the situation if we ever "solve" chess (well, the outcome will be predictable, but it is very unlikely it solves to anything apart from a draw). With today's tech, solving chess will take several times longer than the universe has been around for (give or take), so unless we manage to create insane computing power, this isn't going to happen.
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Re: "Game Theory" Discussion

Postby accessory to oranges » Wed Jun 24, 2009 11:41 am UTC

Does anyone think that everyone is over analyzing this actually quite simple web comic?
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Re: "Game Theory" Discussion

Postby Diadem » Wed Jun 24, 2009 11:42 am UTC

DSDM wrote:There is no "iddqd" for love.

These days there is however an idkfa.
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Re: "Game Theory" Discussion

Postby markkat » Wed Jun 24, 2009 12:11 pm UTC

LOVE = MUTUAL ASSURED DESTRUCTION?
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Re: "Game Theory" Discussion

Postby valtism » Wed Jun 24, 2009 12:22 pm UTC

On the topic of love, I find this obligatory.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwFS69nA-1w

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Re: "Game Theory" Discussion

Postby BioTube » Wed Jun 24, 2009 12:48 pm UTC

yelly wrote:
Whyareall wrote:I actually ¡This cheese is burning me!'d.

But this raises the question: If said computer played chess against itself, would it also end in a stalemate every time?

Well, usually not actually, otherwise computer chess tournaments would be impossible. This will only be the situation if we ever "solve" chess (well, the outcome will be predictable, but it is very unlikely it solves to anything apart from a draw). With today's tech, solving chess will take several times longer than the universe has been around for (give or take), so unless we manage to create insane computing power, this isn't going to happen.
Computer double fanucci tournaments, on the other hand, are sure to remain hilarious(anybody who knows what that is without looking it up - I had to look up the spelling, I'll admit - deserves a cookie).
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Postby nihil » Wed Jun 24, 2009 1:17 pm UTC

valtism wrote:On the topic of love, I find this obligatory.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwFS69nA-1w


or this... more to the subject of the comic:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfC6CCtZjxk

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Re: "Game Theory" Discussion

Postby guayec » Wed Jun 24, 2009 1:27 pm UTC

yeah, im not good at chess either...

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Re: "Game Theory" Discussion

Postby DSDM » Wed Jun 24, 2009 1:43 pm UTC

New term for the Baby Boom: Love Proliferation. Where during the early days of the cold war, America was in a constant race to fill the "Love Gap." Obviously, things haven't changed much.

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Re: "Game Theory" Discussion

Postby A.B. » Wed Jun 24, 2009 1:48 pm UTC

What ? No mention of Zugzwang! The word is so xkcd like.

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Re: "Game Theory" Discussion

Postby nahkh » Wed Jun 24, 2009 1:49 pm UTC

Huh. The first thing that came to my head was

>>> analyze dwarf fortress

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A strange game. The only winning move is not to play.


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Re: "Game Theory" Discussion

Postby crushinator » Wed Jun 24, 2009 1:55 pm UTC

I feel like the reference to Wargames was a diversion in this strip. The comic's title is game theory and it's subject is love, which happens to be the title for a game that is an exercise in game theory. If you haven't heard of love it's a MMO that focuses on world manipulation and interaction with other players. It's unlike any game I've ever seen before. I feel like it would be of special interest to math oriented people.

That's what I thought of when I read this comic, anyway.

http://www.joystiq.com/2009/03/29/gdc09 ... -the-game/

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Re: "Game Theory" Discussion

Postby lihan161051 » Wed Jun 24, 2009 2:03 pm UTC

Whynaut wrote:As for the movie Wargames, I treat it as a historical record of life before the Macintosh made GUIs became the norm.


Although I wondered at the time how the machine in Cheyenne Mountain knew what kind of hardware voice synthesizer he was using at home. There was no reason for it to have exactly the same voice in both places. And it would have been a lot better scene if it had been a *different* voice. But that's just me, I'm normally annoyed by the cavalier Hollywood attitude toward reality ..

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Re: "Game Theory" Discussion

Postby DSDM » Wed Jun 24, 2009 2:13 pm UTC

Speaking of Hollywood, my biggest movie peeve EVER has to be this: How they make every single thing a computer program does make noise. Like text appearing on screen: It makes a little beeeebeebeebeeep noise, like the computer version of a dot matrix printer. Same thing happens when the have a graphic loading. One part of National Treasure, where the bad guys are looking up the Liberty Bell on a laptop, they're using IE or some other normal browser, and it makes that noise. Everything a computer program does, it makes some noise in the movies, never mind that programmers would never actually make them that way. Because 15 minutes of web surfing like that would drive you batshit insane. Or on some TV show, I saw this part where they deleted an image file, and the image slowly pixelated to nothing, all while making that noise. Who does that?

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Re: "Game Theory" Discussion

Postby SeT » Wed Jun 24, 2009 2:14 pm UTC

Wow, nice war games reference.

Eerily appropriate to my mood today, though, after a fight with my fiance last night AND my ex has been trying to get ahold of me lately.

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Re: "Game Theory" Discussion

Postby Sir-Taco » Wed Jun 24, 2009 2:16 pm UTC

Randall get out of my head! I was just discussing Cold War pop culture with some friends last night ending up in watching this! I was wearing the shirt from Thinkgeek about Wargames too!

But the main topic of the strip seems true a lot of the time, so far I've given up on strategy and gone on impulse, seems to work somewhat.
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Re: "Game Theory" Discussion

Postby drazen » Wed Jun 24, 2009 2:19 pm UTC

One could substitute "life" for "love" in this comic, and get roughly the same result. But I guess that would make for a pretty depressing thread...

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Re: "Game Theory" Discussion

Postby Georules » Wed Jun 24, 2009 2:25 pm UTC

First, I have been a big xkcd fan for some time now.

Second, I registered to post on this comic because I thought it was horribly uninspired. To make an analogy, it was like Family Guy's dependence on culture references with no humor of its own. All of the wit is credited to War Games, and the commentary on love doesn't even make much sense.

I'm not jumping ship, but I am surprised that everyone enjoyed this strip when xkcd's quality is normally much higher.

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Re: "Game Theory" Discussion

Postby DSDM » Wed Jun 24, 2009 2:30 pm UTC

Georules wrote:First, I have been a big xkcd fan for some time now.

Second, I registered to post on this comic because I thought it was horribly uninspired. To make an analogy, it was like Family Guy's dependence on culture references with no humor of its own. All of the wit is credited to War Games, and the commentary on love doesn't even make much sense.

I'm not jumping ship, but I am surprised that everyone enjoyed this strip when xkcd's quality is normally much higher.


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