0626: "Newton and Leibniz"

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Re: "Newton and Leibniz" Discussion

Postby The Old Wolf » Fri Aug 21, 2009 7:41 am UTC

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Integral zee squared dee zee
From one to the cube root of three
Times the cosine
Of three Pi over nine
Equals log of the cube root of "e".


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Re: "Newton and Leibniz" Discussion

Postby westrim » Fri Aug 21, 2009 7:41 am UTC

This is the way everyone should start off their day. "Honey, I'm going 'glasses' to work. 'Runs out the door screaming' YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH."

Also, what's with all the people that don't get this? Aside from being literally the most watched show in the world (seriously, its the 00s Baywatch), the glasses thing has been memetastic for years. Those who didn't get it after RogueA posted just fail hard.

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Re: "Newton and Leibniz" Discussion

Postby alitheiapsis » Fri Aug 21, 2009 7:43 am UTC

iain_benson wrote:Okay, I get the calculus / derivative pun, and from reading the comments the sunglasses are related to a CSI Miami (never watched it) meme, but I don't get the title text ....


The first word of the theme song of CSI: Miami is "yeah". The main character always does a silly one-liner, puts on his sun-glasses, and then the theme song starts.

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Re: "Newton and Leibniz" Discussion

Postby Solo » Fri Aug 21, 2009 7:49 am UTC

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Re: "Newton and Leibniz" Discussion

Postby The Old Wolf » Fri Aug 21, 2009 7:53 am UTC

westrim wrote:Also, what's with all the people that don't get this? <snip> Those who didn't get it after RogueA posted just fail hard.


How about those of us that don't own a hypnogourd? I've never seen the show in question. Or any other show in the last 15 years, for that matter.
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Re: "Newton and Leibniz" Discussion

Postby markfiend » Fri Aug 21, 2009 7:54 am UTC

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Re: "Newton and Leibniz" Discussion

Postby Solo » Fri Aug 21, 2009 8:06 am UTC

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Re: "Newton and Leibniz" Discussion

Postby JulienW » Fri Aug 21, 2009 8:24 am UTC

Maybe I'm too nerdy, but when I read "derivative", I thought "GPL"...

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Re: "Newton and Leibniz" Discussion

Postby '; DROP DATABASE;-- » Fri Aug 21, 2009 8:29 am UTC

All I have to say about this one is

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Re: "Newton and Leibniz" Discussion

Postby Psycho Goose » Fri Aug 21, 2009 8:34 am UTC

derivator wrote:
Zorlin wrote:
skine wrote:
Solo wrote:
Shale wrote:
Zero51423 wrote:That's terrible. I feel like somebody just stabbed me in the kidneys because of how terrible that pun was.


That's pretty much what I came here to say, and copying someone else's comment certainly fits with the spirit of the comic.

One might even go so far as to say that it is integral to the plot.
Sorry, I think you're going off on a tangent.
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I don't think you need to italicize the pun for people to comprehend it. (No pun intended)
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Re: "Newton and Leibniz" Discussion

Postby Red Hal » Fri Aug 21, 2009 8:39 am UTC

With respect to all those calculus puns, you do realise they are going to converge absolutely on a single pun at the critical point. You degenerates need to end behaviour like this. I'm going to call simpson's rule on this one.
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Re: "Newton and Leibniz" Discussion

Postby Psycho Goose » Fri Aug 21, 2009 8:43 am UTC

You can't make us stop. It's not like there's a limit to this sort of thing.
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Re: "Newton and Leibniz" Discussion

Postby thetimman » Fri Aug 21, 2009 8:52 am UTC

I rather liked that Newton apparently spent eight years standing there with his paper.

Would he have stood there forever if Leibniz hadn't also spoken?

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Re: "Newton and Leibniz" Discussion

Postby General_Norris » Fri Aug 21, 2009 9:17 am UTC

Good comic good comic.

I don't understand why we have an smiley that is automatically censored into :lol:

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Re: "Newton and Leibniz" Discussion

Postby maycelestia » Fri Aug 21, 2009 9:19 am UTC

This is exactly the kind of cringe-inducing yet funny pun that science teachers at school love to use. :)

thetimman wrote:I rather liked that Newton apparently spent eight years standing there with his paper.


It was all worth it to deliver the witty one-liner.

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Re: "Newton and Leibniz" Discussion

Postby Kaijyuu » Fri Aug 21, 2009 9:28 am UTC

I got the "derivative" pun and laughed mightily at it, but at first I wondered why Newton was putting on Rick Astley's sunglasses.
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Re: "Newton and Leibniz" Discussion

Postby Joeldi » Fri Aug 21, 2009 9:55 am UTC

YES, I haven't actually burst out laughing at an XKCD for ages. Huzzah.

Also, good job on all the calculus puns. Had me...in stitches
I tried to find a pun to fit that, but I can't do it.
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Re: "Newton and Leibniz" Discussion

Postby LTK » Fri Aug 21, 2009 10:36 am UTC

See, this is the reason I visit xkcd every other day. :D

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Re: "Newton and Leibniz" Discussion

Postby mikekearn » Fri Aug 21, 2009 11:01 am UTC

Oh boy am I tired. Too tired to be allowed to read puns. The comic took me about 10 minutes to get, because I somehow kept reading the second date as being earlier than the first. I knew what the joke was supposed to be, and I knew Newton should be first, but my mind just wasn't connecting the dots. The very obvious, plainly correct and not wrong, right in front of my face dots.

Now that I get it, it's funny, but damn do I feel like an idiot.
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Re: "Newton and Leibniz" Discussion

Postby Felstaff » Fri Aug 21, 2009 11:28 am UTC

This is possibly the first comic that hasn't had a duplicate thread posted in quite a while.

Which, for the first time, is quite annoying as I was planning to integrate the two.
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Re: "Newton and Leibniz" Discussion

Postby musashi1600 » Fri Aug 21, 2009 11:38 am UTC

Comics like this continuously function to find what happens when the limit of punnery approaches infinity. >_>

(That said, I remember a high school calculus class where the teacher spent several minutes on how Newton was first to develop calculus, but Leibniz did far more to make it the calculus known today.)
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Re: "Newton and Leibniz" Discussion

Postby Vonriel » Fri Aug 21, 2009 11:45 am UTC

So, for the elitists among us, have you ever thought about it this way: unless the reader's field of study includes higher mathematics (calculus is used by less than 10% of the employed workforce¹) or you're a student currently studying one of those fields, the reader is likely not going to get this joke. Consider for a moment that most people probably forgot what a derivative was not two years out of college, happily free of calculus for the rest of their lives, and you've whittled away the vast majority of adults ages 25+ (barring xkcd readers; we all know you have ballpits in your basements) who can understand the joke. On top of that, almost everyone under the age of 16 will not be taking calculus yet, meaning they won't be able to get the joke.

So we're left with a rather narrow margin of people who could understand the joke, a fraction of the populous' 16-24 year old members. Given an average lifespan of 75 (rounding to 72 for ease of use) you're looking at less than 5% of the entire population¹ who can understand the joke without having to look it up. How can you not feel smug that anyone who is capable of understanding the joke understood it?


¹These numbers were pulled out of my ass, and may be appropriately associated for the real numbers by anyone who has done the real research into the numbers. They sounded right, but what sounds right and what is right seem to often disagree for me. Enjoy attempting to prove yourselves smarter than I am, however. Bravo.

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Re: "Newton and Leibniz" Discussion

Postby eviloatmeal » Fri Aug 21, 2009 11:52 am UTC

GET OUT OF MY HEAD, RANDALL!

I've been spending all week watching CSI:Miami and digging up those 4-panels on the interzap.

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Vonriel wrote:you're looking at less than 5% of the entire population


Most of xkcd is either fairly niche humor, in-jokes, or referencing something obscure that many would need to look up. It's a big part of what makes xkcd (or any community centered around something in this fashion) what it is. It's group mentality, albeit it a minority group.

That being said, it doesn't take a whole lot of effort to look up the reference, and if it's still not funny, there's always next week. :D
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Re: "Newton and Leibniz" Discussion

Postby tiedyeina » Fri Aug 21, 2009 11:55 am UTC

Vonriel wrote:Here's some numbers I made up


But you've forgetting, approximately 105% of the world's population has seen CSI Miami, and now believes that 17th century mathematicians were also slick crime-fighting masterminds rocking out to The Who. Even if we subtract your 5% of elitists who can enjoy the calculus joke and dismiss the pop-culture, it's still true that this is something everyone can enjoy.

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Re: "Newton and Leibniz" Discussion

Postby Blokey » Fri Aug 21, 2009 12:02 pm UTC

That was wry man, some might even say punny.
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Re: "Newton and Leibniz" Discussion

Postby pretzil » Fri Aug 21, 2009 12:11 pm UTC

Personally I find it a bit suspicious that they both thought it should be called calculus

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Re: "Newton and Leibniz" Discussion

Postby frederific » Fri Aug 21, 2009 12:17 pm UTC

My GOD that was AWFUL! Epic, but awful.

Awesome though.
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Re: "Newton and Leibniz" Discussion

Postby Pi is exactly three » Fri Aug 21, 2009 12:25 pm UTC

alitheiapsis wrote:The first word of the theme song of CSI: Miami is "yeah". The main character always does a silly one-liner, puts on his sun-glasses, and then the theme song starts.

Ah, right, The Who theme. Didn't get that joke until now because Miami is the one CSI I won't watch, thanks to Caruso. If I wanted to spend an hour staring at a plank of wood, I'd go stand in my shed...
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Re: "Newton and Leibniz" Discussion

Postby bluon » Fri Aug 21, 2009 12:33 pm UTC

Technically, I would say Newton and Leibniz "discovered" calculus rather than "invented" it. Mathematical concepts have always existed. We're just getting around to figuring them out.

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Re: "Newton and Leibniz" Discussion

Postby Max2009 » Fri Aug 21, 2009 12:46 pm UTC

OUCH!! That was one of the worst best puns I've heard.

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Re: "Newton and Leibniz" Discussion

Postby pensive bosom » Fri Aug 21, 2009 12:49 pm UTC

It's possible that mathematical concepts are invented as well as discovered. Here's a view of what the field of mathematics is: working mathematicians study the consequences of rules governing axiomatic systems. They look at how, given such-and-such rules, such-and-such sets of notations can be manipulated. Since we have finite capacities and can't immediately grasp all the consequences of rules we hold or stipulate to be true, these consequences can seem to be discovered. But the axioms of the system are still stipulated. So, mathematical discovery is a case of discovering new facts about concepts or formal systems that we ourselves have invented.

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Re: "Newton and Leibniz" Discussion

Postby Carlington » Fri Aug 21, 2009 12:49 pm UTC

Vonriel wrote: On top of that, almost everyone under the age of 16 will not be taking calculus yet, meaning they won't be able to get the joke.

So we're left with a rather narrow margin of people who could understand the joke, a fraction of the populous' 16-24 year old members.


Statistically speaking, that makes me an outlier. I haven't studied calculus, as I'm 15, but I have an understanding of the terms "integrate" and "differentiate" so I got the joke.
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Re: "Newton and Leibniz" Discussion

Postby nirvana_grace » Fri Aug 21, 2009 12:52 pm UTC

Leibnitz v. Newton. I Hopital gets resolved, eventually.
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Re: "Newton and Leibniz" Discussion

Postby Burn0ut07 » Fri Aug 21, 2009 12:54 pm UTC

FCN wrote:Leibniz may have been the first to publish and the inventor of the terminology and notation that we use today, but Newton was fluent in calculus well beforehand.


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Re: "Newton and Leibniz" Discussion

Postby vrsikimg » Fri Aug 21, 2009 1:23 pm UTC

Hilarious!

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Re: "Newton and Leibniz" Discussion

Postby franksands » Fri Aug 21, 2009 1:29 pm UTC

Actually, AFAIK, It was Fermat who first discovered calculus. So both Newton and Leibniz have derivative works.

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Re: "Newton and Leibniz" Discussion

Postby javahead » Fri Aug 21, 2009 1:32 pm UTC

RogueA wrote:Threw this together real quick from the Caruso Comic blank. Thought it was appropriate.

Thank you, RogueA, this made today's comic worthwhile. I'm relatively new here, so if this is what Randall was trying to evoke originally I apologize to him for missing it.


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Re: "Newton and Leibniz" Discussion

Postby DSDM » Fri Aug 21, 2009 1:34 pm UTC

Oh yeah, Newton? Well yo' mama so fat, her circumference is 3πr!

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Re: "Newton and Leibniz" Discussion

Postby scikidus » Fri Aug 21, 2009 1:37 pm UTC

Felstaff wrote:This is possibly the first comic that hasn't had a duplicate thread posted in quite a while.

Which, for the first time, is quite annoying as I was planning to integrate the two.

At least you are definitely constant in your level of modding.

And now, to diverge for a moment, Blokey: you win the rebound pun award. You get balloons.

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Re: "Newton and Leibniz" Discussion

Postby bluon » Fri Aug 21, 2009 1:38 pm UTC

pensive bosom wrote:It's possible that mathematical concepts are invented as well as discovered. Here's a view of what the field of mathematics is: working mathematicians study the consequences of rules governing axiomatic systems. They look at how, given such-and-such rules, such-and-such sets of notations can be manipulated. Since we have finite capacities and can't immediately grasp all the consequences of rules we hold or stipulate to be true, these consequences can seem to be discovered. But the axioms of the system are still stipulated. So, mathematical discovery is a case of discovering new facts about concepts or formal systems that we ourselves have invented.


I guess this gets into a pretty philosophical discussion. I did a quick Google search and it looks like the has been debated quite a bit. From the following article, "The Platonic notion is that mathematics is the imperturbable structure that underlies the very architecture of the universe. By following the internal logic of mathematics, a mathematician discovers timeless truths independent of human observation and free of the transient nature of physical reality." So Plato would say that mathematical truths have always been around and are an integral part of the universe. Other people would argue that math is really a product of human culture. And most people would probably say that this question doesn't really doesn't matter :)

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