0639: "Lincoln-Douglas"

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0639: "Lincoln-Douglas"

Postby thezachperson31 » Mon Sep 21, 2009 4:00 am UTC

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Title text: Stephen Douglas actually died soon after the debates and election, but if you demand historical accuracy in your webcomics you should be reading Hark! A Vagrant.

*reads title* Huh?
*reads comic text* Um... haha? Maybe the text below will save it.
*reads lower comic text* Sure.
*reads alt text* ?
Maybe I'll get this comic eventually, but right now I don't. Or was that the point?

Hmm, maybe I'll be the first to post the comic? Hey look, first try and I made it. :D
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Re: "Lincoln-Douglas" Discussion

Postby lu6cifer » Mon Sep 21, 2009 4:03 am UTC

Another your mom joke + reference = not that funny...
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Re: "Lincoln-Douglas" Discussion

Postby Raptor Jesus » Mon Sep 21, 2009 4:04 am UTC

AHH! I'mma post in this one with the most views and furthest down the list

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Re: "Lincoln-Douglas" Discussion

Postby rwald » Mon Sep 21, 2009 4:05 am UTC

(This is farther down on the page, so I'm assuming it's the older one.)

If you really want historically-accurate comics, try Wondermark.
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Re: HI JOEE! :D and "Lincoln-Douglas" Discussion

Postby glasnt » Mon Sep 21, 2009 4:05 am UTC

Subtle plug... very subtle.

http://www.harkavagrant.com/ is getting hammered too.. even downforeveryoneorjustme.com concurs.


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Re: "Lincoln-Douglas" Discussion

Postby hbsmiley7 » Mon Sep 21, 2009 4:05 am UTC

lu6cifer wrote:Another your mom joke + reference = not that funny...

Always funny.
But I'll admit, past xkcd comics put this one to shame.

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Re: "Lincoln-Douglas" Discussion

Postby Vieto » Mon Sep 21, 2009 4:11 am UTC

hbsmiley7 wrote:
lu6cifer wrote:Another your mom joke + reference = not that funny...

Always funny.
But I'll admit, past xkcd comics put this one to shame.


Oh yeah? Your mom's citation is needed!

thinking about it, those comics look similar.

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Re: "Lincoln-Douglas" Discussion

Postby joee » Mon Sep 21, 2009 4:13 am UTC

I don't understand this comic at all. But hi glasnt! Now everyone knows my real first name! *gasp*

Edit: oh wait it's in my sig *fail* *hides in corner*
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Re: HI JOEE! :D and "Lincoln-Douglas" Discussion

Postby Omegaton » Mon Sep 21, 2009 4:14 am UTC

glasnt wrote:http://www.harkavagrant.com/ is getting hammered too.. even downforeveryoneorjustme.com concurs.

Ah, the problem with publicity and having inadequate ability to handle the traffic...
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Re: "Lincoln-Douglas" Discussion

Postby Ocker3 » Mon Sep 21, 2009 4:15 am UTC

also, it actually has a comment on the comic, if a short one.
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Re: "Lincoln-Douglas" Discussion

Postby Technocratic » Mon Sep 21, 2009 4:15 am UTC

I guess I mainly find this entertaining because I'm actually doing high school Lincoln-Douglas style debate... I agree though, in need of some original dialogue.

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Re: HI JOEE! :D and "Lincoln-Douglas" Discussion

Postby oxy » Mon Sep 21, 2009 4:20 am UTC

Omegaton wrote:
glasnt wrote:http://www.harkavagrant.com/ is getting hammered too.. even downforeveryoneorjustme.com concurs.

Ah, the problem with publicity and having inadequate ability to handle the traffic...


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Re: "Lincoln-Douglas" Discussion

Postby mcat172 » Mon Sep 21, 2009 4:23 am UTC

Vieto wrote:
hbsmiley7 wrote:
lu6cifer wrote:Another your mom joke + reference = not that funny...

Always funny.
But I'll admit, past xkcd comics put this one to shame.


Oh yeah? Your mom's citation is needed!

thinking about it, those comics look similar.



I thought that right away, I wondered for a second if the two were related before I read the whole comic.

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Re: "Lincoln-Douglas" Discussion

Postby Ghandi 2 » Mon Sep 21, 2009 4:25 am UTC

Ugh. Kate Beaton also writes better comics than this...

YOUR MOM JOKES AREN'T FUNNY ANYMORE.

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Re: "Lincoln-Douglas" Discussion

Postby AislinKageno » Mon Sep 21, 2009 4:28 am UTC

Douglas dying probably would entail a decline in his debating skills, so that's still historically accurate.

Your mom jokes in and of themselves are not inherently funny - it's the way they're set. I can't say I've ever heard one thrown at Lincoln before, so points for that?
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Re: "Lincoln-Douglas" Discussion

Postby Dylnuge » Mon Sep 21, 2009 4:29 am UTC

Long time reader first time poster blah blah blah.

Anyone else think that the comic looks a tad similar to this Cyanide and Happiness one from a long time back? http://www.explosm.net/comics/146/

Maybe it's just the Lincoln thing, since the insults aren't exactly the same, but it seems a bit similar to me. Though I do believe XKCD did it better here...but I didn't find either that funny, especially not after coming off some of the ones of the last few weeks.

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Re: "Lincoln-Douglas" Discussion

Postby aeris92 » Mon Sep 21, 2009 4:30 am UTC

You win this time thezachperson31!!!

comic is meh... American history bores me.

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Re: "Lincoln-Douglas" Discussion

Postby Max2009 » Mon Sep 21, 2009 4:30 am UTC

This is one of those comics where I say "Ah! this is the joke. I got it. But why isn't it funny"?
I can see where this was supposed to be funny, but it just isn't.
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Re: "Lincoln-Douglas" Discussion

Postby diotimajsh » Mon Sep 21, 2009 4:31 am UTC

It reminded me of Hark! A Vagrant right off the bat. So I guess it was gratifying to see the reference.

No, wasn't terribly funny though.
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Re: "Lincoln-Douglas" Discussion

Postby rwald » Mon Sep 21, 2009 4:31 am UTC

Is it just me, or is the art in 285 (mentioned previously) better than the art from today? So much for art evolution.

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Re: "Lincoln-Douglas" Discussion

Postby Mighty Jalapeno » Mon Sep 21, 2009 4:33 am UTC

This coincides nicely with Clutch's new song "Abraham Lincoln", though it seems a little much just to draw attention to one (admittedly awesometastic) song.

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Re: "Lincoln-Douglas" Discussion

Postby Ratwar » Mon Sep 21, 2009 4:35 am UTC

A true student of History would also know that the Lincoln-Douglas debates were actually from 1858 when they were competing for a Senate Seat (not standing for election as Senators were appointed by the State Legislatures at the time).

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Re: "Lincoln-Douglas" Discussion

Postby Comic JK » Mon Sep 21, 2009 4:36 am UTC

Sure, this strip is similar in layout to 285...but it's a lot more reminiscent of this xkcd.

Apparently, Randall knows better. Perhaps this is meta-humor? In that case I will be meta-laughing.
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Re: "Lincoln-Douglas" Discussion

Postby wackojacko1138 » Mon Sep 21, 2009 4:39 am UTC

I saw it as a commentary on the rapidly falling level of discourse in the country ("You lie!")

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Re: "Lincoln-Douglas" Discussion

Postby Eternal Density » Mon Sep 21, 2009 4:40 am UTC

AislinKageno wrote:Your mom jokes in and of themselves are not inherently funny - it's the way they're set. I can't say I've ever heard one thrown at Lincoln before, so points for that?
I concur. I find the way this was done to be clever indeed, because it's more than just a your mom joke, but it also turns a historic quote into a series of puns.
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Re: "Lincoln-Douglas" Discussion

Postby Ghandi 2 » Mon Sep 21, 2009 4:45 am UTC

Eternal Density wrote:
AislinKageno wrote:Your mom jokes in and of themselves are not inherently funny - it's the way they're set. I can't say I've ever heard one thrown at Lincoln before, so points for that?
I concur. I find the way this was done to be clever indeed, because it's more than just a your mom joke, but it also turns a historic quote into a series of puns.

A series of puns? What puns?

If Douglas had actually suffered disgrace, this would be kind of funny, but making up the situation and the ever so whacky response seems like too much.

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Re: "Lincoln-Douglas" Discussion

Postby frostkiki » Mon Sep 21, 2009 4:50 am UTC

And i was planning to look for funny hark a vagrant comics tonight... sigh
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Re: "Lincoln-Douglas" Discussion

Postby rubber314chicken » Mon Sep 21, 2009 4:52 am UTC

Vieto wrote:
hbsmiley7 wrote:
lu6cifer wrote:Another your mom joke + reference = not that funny...

Always funny.
But I'll admit, past xkcd comics put this one to shame.


Oh yeah? Your mom's citation is needed!

thinking about it, those comics look similar.


My initial though. But the art isn't the same. So its not a copy-paste-change-a-few-words job.
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Re: "Lincoln-Douglas" Discussion

Postby Sonic132 » Mon Sep 21, 2009 4:54 am UTC

The cheese is hardly enough to burn.
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Re: "Lincoln-Douglas" Discussion

Postby Benson » Mon Sep 21, 2009 5:19 am UTC

Ghandi 2 wrote:
Eternal Density wrote:
AislinKageno wrote:Your mom jokes in and of themselves are not inherently funny - it's the way they're set. I can't say I've ever heard one thrown at Lincoln before, so points for that?
I concur. I find the way this was done to be clever indeed, because it's more than just a your mom joke, but it also turns a historic quote into a series of puns.

A series of puns? What puns?

I think Eternal Density is considering the literalization of the "brought forth ... conceived" childbirth metaphor to be a pun. I'm rather unclear as to how so.

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Re: "Lincoln-Douglas" Discussion

Postby Twelfthroot » Mon Sep 21, 2009 5:26 am UTC

I saw it as a commentary on the rapidly falling level of discourse in the country ("You lie!")


This is how I took it as well; as such I found the comic fairly amusing. Though the political party names of the time were flip-flopped, I assume that since the emphasis was on 'after his loss,' the jab is at the current Republicans.

The alternative is that I'm reading a joke into this where there is none, aside from your mom.

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Re: "Lincoln-Douglas" Discussion

Postby Irwing Washington » Mon Sep 21, 2009 5:54 am UTC

The joke is apparently "your mom ... conceived in liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are equal". Not so much of a pun as an attempt to turn the phrase into a "double entendre" of sorts.

The comic is ok i guess...

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Re: "Lincoln-Douglas" Discussion

Postby Chuff » Mon Sep 21, 2009 5:56 am UTC

I actually kind of like it. It's not laugh out loud funny to me, but kind of "huh, what if?"
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Re: "Lincoln-Douglas" Discussion

Postby '; DROP DATABASE;-- » Mon Sep 21, 2009 6:16 am UTC

Sonic132 wrote:The cheese is hardly enough to burn.
It's just warm enough to be delicious! :D
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Re: "Lincoln-Douglas" Discussion

Postby Editer » Mon Sep 21, 2009 6:31 am UTC

'; DROP DATABASE;-- wrote:
Sonic132 wrote:The cheese is hardly enough to burn.
It's just warm enough to be delicious! :D


Yeah, well your MOM is just warm enough to be delicious!

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Re: "Lincoln-Douglas" Discussion

Postby skordge » Mon Sep 21, 2009 7:07 am UTC

Title text should have been: "No pun intended". That way, those who don't get it will be ridiculed, the meta-joke factor is high, everyone laughs, everyone's happy.
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Re: "Lincoln-Douglas" Discussion

Postby Souma » Mon Sep 21, 2009 7:11 am UTC

Irwing Washington wrote:The joke is apparently "your mom ... conceived in liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are equal". Not so much of a pun as an attempt to turn the phrase into a "double entendre" of sorts.

Exactly. Once you replace "our fathers" with "your mom", that portion of the Gettysburg address most definitely becomes a vicious slur. The implication is of course that someones mother had intercourse with many men without regard to their status and bore an entire nation of children in the course of those efforts. Its funny because makes something so rude and crass out of a portion of speech that is very highly thought of.

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Re: "Lincoln-Douglas" Discussion

Postby PhoenixEnigma » Mon Sep 21, 2009 7:13 am UTC

wackojacko1138 wrote:I saw it as a commentary on the rapidly falling level of discourse in the country ("You lie!")


Seen that way, it's somewhat amusing. But I think this cheese really only burns in the USA.
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Re: "Lincoln-Douglas" Discussion

Postby the_bandersnatch » Mon Sep 21, 2009 9:31 am UTC

Worst comic in a long while, just awful.
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Re: "Lincoln-Douglas" Discussion

Postby mieulium » Mon Sep 21, 2009 9:52 am UTC

its superbly cold today and the comic made the temperature drop even more
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