0801: "Golden Hammer"

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0801: "Golden Hammer"

Postby maxh » Mon Oct 04, 2010 4:04 am UTC

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Title text: "Took me five tries to find the right one, but I managed to salvage our night out--if not the boat--in the end."

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Re: "Golden Hammer" discussion (#801)

Postby hintss » Mon Oct 04, 2010 4:07 am UTC

I don't get it. also, I bet that most people who read it thought it would end very differently.

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Re: "Golden Hammer" discussion (#801)

Postby Eternal Density » Mon Oct 04, 2010 4:11 am UTC

Add one to the "I don't know what this is" column.
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Re: "Golden Hammer" discussion (#801)

Postby Lazar » Mon Oct 04, 2010 4:12 am UTC

I don't, eh, how you say, get it.
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Re: "Golden Hammer" discussion (#801)

Postby nykevin » Mon Oct 04, 2010 4:15 am UTC

Hatless guy's speech looks like a subtle dig at android/dalvik, but I'm not sure...

...WTF?

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Re: "Golden Hammer" discussion (#801)

Postby smartalco » Mon Oct 04, 2010 4:18 am UTC

I'm mainly confused about how the guy's head appears to be attached to his upper arm in panel 2.

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Re: "Golden Hammer" discussion (#801)

Postby black_hat_guy » Mon Oct 04, 2010 4:18 am UTC

Come on guys, this is a simple non sequitur. Black hat guy just uses the "opportunity" to change the subject to something completely different, while also suggesting that he did something insane. But you're right. I expect more from Randall Munroe, especially his 800th comic.
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Re: "Golden Hammer" discussion (#801)

Postby Me321 » Mon Oct 04, 2010 4:22 am UTC

Here it is:

Spoiler:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_hammer

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Re: "Golden Hammer" discussion (#801)

Postby ritvax » Mon Oct 04, 2010 4:23 am UTC

I think Black Hat Guy is making a statement, responding to our hero's lament how using Java in this case was "solving the wrong problem." Black Hat Guy is adjusting the old saying, "When all you have is a hammer, everything looks like nails" to whatever nefarious deed he was up to that night. BHG vaguely responded to the hero's lament, since he was saying that Java is a powerful answer in search of a question - In other words, Java was used on this piece of hardware/software where it really wasn't needed.
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Re: "Golden Hammer" discussion (#801)

Postby joee » Mon Oct 04, 2010 4:24 am UTC

HI GLASNT

And, I am guilty of the above, but not with Java (or boathouses)
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Re: "Golden Hammer" discussion (#801)

Postby maxh » Mon Oct 04, 2010 4:25 am UTC

Personally, I feel that BHG would prefer a silver hammer.

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Re: "Golden Hammer" discussion (#801)

Postby black_hat_guy » Mon Oct 04, 2010 4:27 am UTC

So it's not a non sequitur, it's ironic!Well done, Randall
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Re: "Golden Hammer" discussion (#801)

Postby cjmcjmcjmcjm » Mon Oct 04, 2010 4:34 am UTC

I wonder how Toby, Dave, and Ian will explain this one
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Re: "Golden Hammer" discussion (#801)

Postby Singulaire » Mon Oct 04, 2010 4:35 am UTC

I lol'd at panel 2 more than panel 3. While technically Java is the only programming language I know, I still find the thought of going to great lengths to use it quite pathetic.

On a somewhat related note- Randall's humor is starting to remind me of my highschool physics teacher, who used to remind me of Richard Feynman. Weirdness ensues.

Me321 wrote:Here it is:

Spoiler:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_hammer


I'll do you one better:

Spoiler:
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/WhenAllYouHaveIsAHammer
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Re: "Golden Hammer" discussion (#801)

Postby cprocjr » Mon Oct 04, 2010 4:38 am UTC

Me321 wrote:Here it is:

Spoiler:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_hammer



This is a quote from that article:
Spoiler:
"The notion of a golden hammer, 'a familiar technology or concept applied obsessively to many software problems', has been introduced into the information technology literature in 1998 as an anti-pattern: a programming practice to be avoided."

So yeah... it's a little obscure.

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Re: "Golden Hammer" discussion (#801)

Postby black_hat_guy » Mon Oct 04, 2010 4:51 am UTC

I wonder what he did with the bolt cutters and the vodka...
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Re: "Golden Hammer" discussion (#801)

Postby danielnairn » Mon Oct 04, 2010 4:53 am UTC

It took me way to long to get it....but now it's....relatively funny...
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Re: "Golden Hammer" discussion (#801)

Postby black_hat_guy » Mon Oct 04, 2010 4:58 am UTC

Relative to what?
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Re: "Golden Hammer" discussion (#801)

Postby Uninfinity » Mon Oct 04, 2010 5:02 am UTC

Singulaire wrote:I lol'd at panel 2 more than panel 3. While technically Java is the only programming language I know, I still find the thought of going to great lengths to use it quite pathetic.

On a somewhat related note- Randall's humor is starting to remind me of my highschool physics teacher, who used to remind me of Richard Feynman. Weirdness ensues.

Me321 wrote:Here it is:

Spoiler:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_hammer


I'll do you one better:

Spoiler:
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/WhenAllYouHaveIsAHammer

Spoiler:

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Re: "Golden Hammer" discussion (#801)

Postby hintss » Mon Oct 04, 2010 5:03 am UTC

black_hat_guy wrote:Relative to what?

not BHG, thats for sure

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Re: "Golden Hammer" discussion (#801)

Postby BlueNight » Mon Oct 04, 2010 5:39 am UTC

My favorite Golden Hammer is IrfanView. It's an image viewer, converter, and editor, a sound file player, a Flash and AVI viewer, a file renaming tool, and a scan acquisition program all in one.

However, I have also used it, in combination with Ghostscript and CALC.EXE, to turn an architectural document improperly saved as an 8.5x11 PDF into a properly scaled 30"x42" 400dpi monochrome TIFF. Later that year, our blueprint shop got a $300 program just to convert PDFs into TIFFs properly. (It was worth it, because only I used Irfanview there.)
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Re: "Golden Hammer" discussion (#801)

Postby SW15243 » Mon Oct 04, 2010 6:22 am UTC

I suppose the phrase, "When all you have is a hammer, everything is AWESOME!!!." isn't as common as I (And, apparently, Randall) thought. Oh well, I laughed.

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Re: "Golden Hammer" discussion (#801)

Postby pjt33 » Mon Oct 04, 2010 6:25 am UTC

Or maybe the hardware is ARM and has Java bytecode support built in.

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Re: "Golden Hammer" discussion (#801)

Postby drjamesaustin » Mon Oct 04, 2010 6:40 am UTC

Well, I got the 'golden hammer' bit - what I don't understand is where Wolf Blitzer fits in. I mean, I know who he is - but is there any particular reason why either BHG or Randall Munroe should take an interest in him or his boathouse?

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Re: "Golden Hammer" discussion (#801)

Postby SW15243 » Mon Oct 04, 2010 6:42 am UTC

drjamesaustin wrote:Well, I got the 'golden hammer' bit - what I don't understand is where Wolf Blitzer fits in. I mean, I know who he is - but is there any particular reason why either BHG or Randall Munroe should take an interest in him or his boathouse?

I suspect his boat is nice.

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Re: "Golden Hammer" discussion (#801)

Postby SilentLaugh » Mon Oct 04, 2010 7:24 am UTC

I suspect vodka is very flammable. And he uses the word "salvage" in the title text.

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Re: "Golden Hammer" discussion (#801)

Postby Lucia » Mon Oct 04, 2010 7:44 am UTC

I get the punchline, at least I thought I did, but the first two panels go over my head. What?
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Re: "Golden Hammer" discussion (#801)

Postby ewok85 » Mon Oct 04, 2010 7:58 am UTC

I'm betting its a minecraft reference :D

(Also, "when all you play is minecraft...." ;))

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Re: "Golden Hammer" discussion (#801)

Postby mikekearn » Mon Oct 04, 2010 8:36 am UTC

With creative repurposing, damn near any tool can be used for any job. If all you have is a hammer, then by god, use the hell out of that hammer.
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Re: "Golden Hammer" discussion (#801)

Postby Max2009 » Mon Oct 04, 2010 8:53 am UTC

Am I the only one who thinks that he (not BHG) is talking about Android?
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Re: "Golden Hammer" discussion (#801)

Postby snowyowl » Mon Oct 04, 2010 9:01 am UTC

mikekearn wrote:With creative repurposing, damn near any tool can be used for any job. If all you have is a hammer, then by god, use the hell out of that hammer.

Tonight on [<reality tv show>, Mikekearn attempts to seal a core breach in a nuclear reactor, perform quadruple bypass surgery, and program a TI-82 calculator to accept Java - using a hammer.

*grabs popcorn*
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Re: "Golden Hammer" discussion (#801)

Postby tKircher » Mon Oct 04, 2010 9:18 am UTC

On the flip side, they probably also spent six months writing a compiler to be able to compile to that processor's opcode set from C++. The JVM was probably much, much easier than that.

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Re: "Golden Hammer" discussion (#801)

Postby piotr » Mon Oct 04, 2010 9:25 am UTC

It's sad that Randall takes part in the Java-bashing like this. Guys, there is more than enough valid reasons to mock Java, it's not necessary to use false accusations.

First thing: Java was designed for single-purpose machines – for washing machines. Second, JVM are available for nearly every platform. That is because a JVM doesn't need to implement the everything. For example, it is not necessary to do garbage collection. In fact, you can do without any of the daemon threads. In fact, sometimes it is easier to use Java instead of C because the C libraries are so freakishly huge.

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Re: "Golden Hammer" discussion (#801)

Postby The Boz » Mon Oct 04, 2010 10:08 am UTC

snowyowl wrote:
mikekearn wrote:With creative repurposing, damn near any tool can be used for any job. If all you have is a hammer, then by god, use the hell out of that hammer.

Tonight on [<reality tv show>, Mikekearn attempts to seal a core breach in a nuclear reactor, perform quadruple bypass surgery, and program a TI-82 calculator to accept Java - using a hammer.

*grabs popcorn*

Hammering away at someone's chest would be a great scene. It would probably steal a lot of it's audience from House MD.
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Re: "Golden Hammer" discussion (#801)

Postby Plasma Man » Mon Oct 04, 2010 10:21 am UTC

I'm another one that didn't get it, but I like the alt-text. It looks like Black Hat Guy and his girl are still together and making mischief.
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Re: "Golden Hammer" discussion (#801)

Postby Mazuku » Mon Oct 04, 2010 11:14 am UTC

While I am familiar with the If All You Have Is A Hammer concept, the rest of this comic went right over my head.
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Re: "Golden Hammer" discussion (#801)

Postby Schumi » Mon Oct 04, 2010 11:26 am UTC

Is Wolf Blitzer (whom I had to google) known for his boats or vodka? Or is the joke essentially random? Either way, it's not bad.

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Re: "Golden Hammer" discussion (#801)

Postby Quicksilver » Mon Oct 04, 2010 11:58 am UTC

I go to great lengths to use PHP and MySQL over Oracle and GUI based DBMS's in general. The tradeoff of creating a decent DBMS without the use of triggers, bizarre methods of editing existing data and just the ability to present data in any way you like makes it worth it. I did expect better things from BHG though, normally he has a sense of direction and planning when he executes his schemes, but this seemed rather brash and counterproductive.

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Re: "Golden Hammer" discussion (#801)

Postby arbivark » Mon Oct 04, 2010 12:24 pm UTC

I know the idiom "when all you have is an x, everything looks like a y"
I just never heard it called the golden hammer before.
Actually, gold, with twice the density of lead, would make a kick ass-hammer or blackjack.
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Re: "Golden Hammer" discussion (#801)

Postby exh » Mon Oct 04, 2010 12:35 pm UTC

I use the Law Of The Instrument all the time, when it's the only rule you can remember everything looks like a Golden Hammer.


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