0833: "Convincing"

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0833: "Convincing"

Postby LucasBrown » Mon Dec 13, 2010 5:00 am UTC

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Alt text: "And if you labeled your axes, I could tell you exactly how MUCH better."

This seems familiar...

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Re: 0833: "Convincing"

Postby solarion » Mon Dec 13, 2010 5:08 am UTC

As much as this one seems somewhat deriative, I must admit I was not expecting the punchline. A solid effort.

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Re: 0833: "Convincing"

Postby bmonk » Mon Dec 13, 2010 5:10 am UTC

I enjoy this sort of argument--where the argument itself apparently fails, but the meta-argument is convincing.
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Re: 0833: "Convincing"

Postby squareroot » Mon Dec 13, 2010 5:10 am UTC

I also, did not see that punchline coming.

I give it a 2.5/5. Not close to "Hahaha (hee hee) hoooo HEY GUYS CHECK THIS OUT", but enough for a solid, actual, lol.
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Re: 0833: "Convincing"

Postby darknut » Mon Dec 13, 2010 5:21 am UTC

used to hate it when companies did this in thier ads. They show a graph or chart of some sort and say this proves our product is better than others. but nothing is labeled.... your stupid lines don't prove shit!
though they dont seem to do it any more, or maybe i 'm jjust not watching enough TV.
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Re: 0833: "Convincing"

Postby glasnt » Mon Dec 13, 2010 5:25 am UTC

"Sorry, that's original research, it doesn't count. We need to cross check your date references.. oh wait, you didn't give any"

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Re: 0833: "Convincing"

Postby nowfocus » Mon Dec 13, 2010 5:25 am UTC

5/5 from me. Alt text had me knee slapping. But I'm a statistician. I hope to use this comic in a lecture at some point.
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Re: 0833: "Convincing"

Postby Eternal Density » Mon Dec 13, 2010 5:26 am UTC

This one made me grin, which is a big improvement.
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Re: 0833: "Convincing"

Postby joee » Mon Dec 13, 2010 5:34 am UTC

Fell off my chair laughing. <3 Randall

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Re: 0833: "Convincing"

Postby margaretmay » Mon Dec 13, 2010 5:35 am UTC

Reminds me of that The Postal Service song -- Nothing Better, I think.

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Re: 0833: "Convincing"

Postby SW15243 » Mon Dec 13, 2010 5:36 am UTC

I think this is the first XKCD that elicited an honest to God laugh from me as opposed to a smile or whatever, which is weird because as much as I like this one (The alt-text did it for me) I don't think it's the funniest XKCD ever.

[sarcasm] Also, get out of my head, Randall. I just broke up with a girl because she wouldn't stop improperly graphing all of my characteristics over time (at least, I assume that's what she was graphing, since her axes weren't labelled.) [/sarcasm]

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Re: 0833: "Convincing"

Postby anschelsc » Mon Dec 13, 2010 5:44 am UTC

To me the scariest thing is that when I looked at the second panel I immediately thought "But those axes aren't labeled!"

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Re: 0833: "Convincing"

Postby jwwells » Mon Dec 13, 2010 5:44 am UTC

Relationship status is a unitless quantity. It can be expressed as:

Value of being in a relationship with you
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Value of the average expected relationship

The bottom tick-mark is, of course, at 1.0, meaning that he's finally hit the point of indifference.

The horizontal tick marks are left as an exercise.

HINT: They have been in a relationship for exactly six months.

She can do better than somebody who needs everything spelled out for him.

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Re: 0833: "Convincing"

Postby Uninfinity » Mon Dec 13, 2010 5:47 am UTC

I was disapointed at first, 'cus we'd seen this kinda joke before, but the title text won me over. :D

And I can't begin to describe how many global warming charts I've seen that were improperly labeled.

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Re: 0833: "Convincing"

Postby JohnofArc » Mon Dec 13, 2010 5:53 am UTC

jwwells wrote:Relationship status is a unitless quantity. It can be expressed as:

Value of being in a relationship with you
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Value of the average expected relationship

The bottom tick-mark is, of course, at 1.0, meaning that he's finally hit the point of indifference.

The horizontal tick marks are left as an exercise.

HINT: They have been in a relationship for exactly six months.

She can do better than somebody who needs everything spelled out for him.

Actually, the bottom tick mark being at (6,1) implies that he prefers buttered toast rather than regular toast, prove me wrong.

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Re: 0833: "Convincing"

Postby I Know Your Name » Mon Dec 13, 2010 5:53 am UTC

Hilarious

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Re: 0833: "Convincing"

Postby Mazuku » Mon Dec 13, 2010 6:07 am UTC

The graphs do nothing!
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Re: 0833: "Convincing"

Postby duckshirt » Mon Dec 13, 2010 6:23 am UTC

HEY-OOOOHHHHH!!!
Definitely the best punchline in a while...
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Re: 0833: "Convincing"

Postby ysth » Mon Dec 13, 2010 6:25 am UTC

Query: would having created the graph with LibreOffice make up for not labeling the axes?
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Re: 0833: "Convincing"

Postby Andromeda321 » Mon Dec 13, 2010 6:30 am UTC

The sad thing is I immediately thought upon seeing the second panel "wait, the axes aren't labeled!" Then I read the punchline, and yup, I'm a girl.

Conclude what you will, but it made me think of all I hated about Al Gore's An Inconvenient Truth actually.

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Re: 0833: "Convincing"

Postby HaudNomen » Mon Dec 13, 2010 7:20 am UTC

Andromeda321 wrote:The sad thing is I immediately thought upon seeing the second panel "wait, the axes aren't labeled!"

Same here. I saw the chart and thought, "But there aren't any labels. What exactly is she trying to prove/demonstrate? Tell me, dammit!" Honestly, if I hadn't, I probably wouldn't have found it half as funny as I did.

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Re: 0833: "Convincing"

Postby MogTM » Mon Dec 13, 2010 7:26 am UTC

Was I the only one who thought of comic 523?

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He totally didn't label his axis either -- but he got away with it!

I hope one of these days we get a graph like this with its axis labeled correctly; I want to know what unit the quality of a relationship ought to be measured in.

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Re: 0833: "Convincing"

Postby c-square » Mon Dec 13, 2010 7:31 am UTC

He's a typical insecure guy. As soon as he meets someone, he starts obsessing about her axes. :wink:

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Re: 0833: "Convincing"

Postby rpgamer » Mon Dec 13, 2010 7:46 am UTC

I guess this comic didn't do much for me because, like the guy, I was sitting here confused by the lack of labels. It was amusing, but not so much, "Ha, that was a good 'un."
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Re: 0833: "Convincing"

Postby Isotope_238 » Mon Dec 13, 2010 7:50 am UTC

I, too, wondered about the lack of labels. "Something vs. time, maybe? But there aren't any labels! It's meaningless! ... Oh."

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Re: 0833: "Convincing"

Postby Falkon » Mon Dec 13, 2010 7:51 am UTC

"I don't label my.... Of course I label my axes! Come out to the wood shed, dear, and let me show you!" :twisted:

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Re: 0833: "Convincing"

Postby jwwells » Mon Dec 13, 2010 8:07 am UTC

Actually, the bottom tick mark being at (6,1) implies that he prefers buttered toast rather than regular toast, prove me wrong.


Easy. That's qualitative data, not a quantity that declines/increases with respect to some other variable.

Now, if you'd said the bottom tick being at (6,1) implies that his penis size has decreased over time, I wouldn't be able to counter you.

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Re: 0833: "Convincing"

Postby c-square » Mon Dec 13, 2010 8:21 am UTC

jwwells wrote:
Actually, the bottom tick mark being at (6,1) implies that he prefers buttered toast rather than regular toast, prove me wrong.


Easy. That's qualitative data, not a quantity that declines/increases with respect to some other variable.

Ah, but what if the graph is displaying the area of his morning toast that has remained unbuttered for each of the past six breakfasts?
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Re: 0833: "Convincing"

Postby the classy corsair » Mon Dec 13, 2010 8:22 am UTC

I mean, really?

Didn't she learn that an improperly or insufficiently labeled chart/graph is pointless in school?

I don't blame him.

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Re: 0833: "Convincing"

Postby wlievens » Mon Dec 13, 2010 8:23 am UTC

This is indeed reminiscent much like Nothing Better, a song by The Postal Service.
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Re: 0833: "Convincing"

Postby FarmerHE » Mon Dec 13, 2010 8:36 am UTC

This reminds me of a graph I once lookd at with a company trying to sell them self as going strong and then at the end there was this slight drop just around 10% total or something like that... Untill I looked up the scare and saw it was on a log scale... way to hide the facts...

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Re: 0833: "Convincing"

Postby kári » Mon Dec 13, 2010 9:05 am UTC

MogTM wrote:Was I the only one who thought of comic 523?

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He totally didn't label his axis either -- but he got away with it!

I hope one of these days we get a graph like this with its axis labeled correctly; I want to know what unit the quality of a relationship ought to be measured in.

He did label the axes! Okay not the horizintal one, but it's obvious that it's the time.. (maybe he's standing in front of the label?)

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Re: 0833: "Convincing"

Postby Lleu » Mon Dec 13, 2010 11:12 am UTC

This would've made me cheer, but it's 5 am and my dorm's asleep. Excellent comic.

I once took a college level psychology class, and the professor didn't label most of her axes. We once spent about 5 minutes trying to figure out what something that should have been simple meant because of it.

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Re: 0833: "Convincing"

Postby CSIGuy » Mon Dec 13, 2010 11:20 am UTC

Sounds like someone is going to be...

*Dons a second pair of sunglasses*

... On the ex-axis. YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEHAAAAAAAAAA

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Re: 0833: "Convincing"

Postby pegasos989 » Mon Dec 13, 2010 11:34 am UTC

I liked it. Didn't make me laugh out loud but it's still pretty great.

Also, for people who complain that he's done this before... *sigh* The labeling of axis is something we like to call a running joke... Look it up.

A running gag is a literary device which often takes the form of an amusing joke or a comical reference and appears repeatedly throughout a work of literature or other form of storytelling.

It's a new take on the joke and it's pretty clear that a majority of people didn't predict the punchline. Kudos.

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Re: 0833: "Convincing"

Postby Mattman » Mon Dec 13, 2010 11:54 am UTC

MogTM wrote:Was I the only one who thought of comic 523?

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He totally didn't label his axis either -- but he got away with it!

I hope one of these days we get a graph like this with its axis labeled correctly; I want to know what unit the quality of a relationship ought to be measured in.


No, you weren't. I just had no idea which comic it was. He's done this basic construct a few times now. Just an altered punchline.

And the vertical axis is totally labeled. It's heartrate. Or love-o-meter. Or something. And it's fairly obvious that the horizontal axis is time. His heart rate has clearly declined since he started graphing things.

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Re: 0833: "Convincing"

Postby JohnofArc » Mon Dec 13, 2010 12:01 pm UTC

jwwells wrote:
Actually, the bottom tick mark being at (6,1) implies that he prefers buttered toast rather than regular toast, prove me wrong.


Easy. That's qualitative data, not a quantity that declines/increases with respect to some other variable.

Now, if you'd said the bottom tick being at (6,1) implies that his penis size has decreased over time, I wouldn't be able to counter you.

It's a qualitative assumption based on quantitative data. Like saying that since the level of happiness of their relationship decreases with respect to time, point x,y implies that one or both would prefer to break up now. Except replace happiness with mass of butter per square inch of toast.

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Re: 0833: "Convincing"

Postby thevicente » Mon Dec 13, 2010 12:09 pm UTC

I never missed the labels because of the style of the comic - since people are represented by stick figures, why graphs should have everything?

When I read the last panel I had to go back and I was like "oh, the axes really don't have labels. hehehe"

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Re: 0833: "Convincing"

Postby Monika » Mon Dec 13, 2010 12:25 pm UTC

Beware of people who label their axes!

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Re: 0833: "Convincing"

Postby chrth » Mon Dec 13, 2010 12:38 pm UTC

If you want to embrace such ideas as canon or themes in XKCD, you can actually see what happened here:

it's the same guy from 523, but a new girl
she wants to end the relationship, and either:
1) knows that he's graph-obsessed so she concocts one to get through to him
2) knows that he's graph-obsessed and deliberately constructs a bad graph

The punchline/alt-text favors 1) over 2)

... although in thinking about it, it could be the same girl. The hard part is that units of time in XKCD aren't labelled either (and rarely reference something real life), so there's no way to know if 523 happened last month or several years ago.


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