0853: "Consecutive Vowels"

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Re: 0852: "Consecutive Vowels"

Postby kroxigor01 » Fri Jan 28, 2011 12:23 pm UTC

So strength and brawn really aren't that attractive.

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Re: 0852: "Consecutive Vowels"

Postby dp2 » Fri Jan 28, 2011 12:56 pm UTC

picnic_crossfire wrote:
picnic_crossfire, next time he goes to a bar, will have wrote:Well, I was born in Holoikauaua, but my family moved to Kauai soon afterward.

Hopefully the response will be "Kimoniwanalaia"

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Re: 0852: "Consecutive Vowels"

Postby Sonic# » Fri Jan 28, 2011 1:08 pm UTC

Archaeoaeolotropic?

Somehow I can't find the word in the OED, but people keep citing it as a really long word. I assume (based on the likely etymology) that it's a geological term?
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Re: 0852: "Consecutive Vowels"

Postby SirMustapha » Fri Jan 28, 2011 1:25 pm UTC

This comic is the ultimate explanation of the name "XKCD".

Just think about it.

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Re: 0852: "Consecutive Vowels"

Postby rawshark » Fri Jan 28, 2011 1:29 pm UTC

for The Wire fans out there:

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Re: 0852: "Consecutive Vowels"

Postby oddtail » Fri Jan 28, 2011 2:12 pm UTC

So.

The number of vowels matters in *writing*?

Because come on. "queueing". Pronounce it. Count the vowels. Not more than in "going", depending on how you pronounce it and whether you count a semivowel. And, well, "going" has a diphtong, so if you count it as better than a simple vowel, it wins against "queueing", actually.

Smae with the examples in the thread with multiple consonants. How many consonants are really there, as opposed to letters that usually represent consonants? Two at most.

Yeah, I know, I'm being nitpicky, but still. It fascinates me that people equate letters with sounds, in a language - like English - where letters and sounds do not strictly correspond.

If it's still writing that matters, it explains why French is such a sexy language. What with so many "eau" clusters.

As for unsexy - Czech? It has syllabic consonants, though linguists would probably argue that it makes the language even sexier ;)

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Re: 0852: "Consecutive Vowels"

Postby snowyowl » Fri Jan 28, 2011 2:16 pm UTC

speedyjohn wrote:
Queuing has four consecutive vowels compared to peeing's three. The question is, does a 'u' following a 'q' really count as a vowel when it comes to arousal?

It really ruins the effect when you spell "queueing" with only four vowels.
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Re: 0852: "Consecutive Vowels"

Postby paper_nautilus » Fri Jan 28, 2011 2:45 pm UTC

Aradae wrote:Do consecutive consonants have the opposite effect?

Nah. If this was true we Germans wouldn't reproduce at all. Wurstschnitte! Angstschweiß! Borschtsch! (The last one actually has only one syllable) On second thought this might be why German frequently ranks among the least sexy languages.

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Re: 0852: "Consecutive Vowels"

Postby Jyrki » Fri Jan 28, 2011 2:46 pm UTC

oddtail wrote:The number of vowels matters in *writing*?


Ok. So go with Finnish. A (nearly) bijective correspondence between individual letters and phonemes.

Win: 100 per cent literacy. Easier speech synthesis.

Lose: 28 letters in the alphabet (29 if you include the needs of certain names of Swedish origin). Pointless have to a spelling bee, as any 3rd grader or above will ace it.

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Re: 0852: "Consecutive Vowels"

Postby Lazy Tommy » Fri Jan 28, 2011 3:02 pm UTC

philip1201 wrote:Actually it's been Koeienuier for the last 15 years.


Just because a few linguists drawing up the government-sanctioned spelling say it's so doesn't make it so. The -n- has always been one of the more controversial aspects of Dutch spelling reform, and I think the jury is still out on whether the latest changes will stick in the long run. Meanwhile, I'm pretty sure no one outside of the Northeastern part of the country will pronounce the -n- in koeienuier, and even Northeasterners may find it silly. Also it doesn't make sense according to the old rules, in that an udder belongs to only one cow. I'll stick with koeieuier, both spoken and written, and if my spell checker wants to override that, I'll turn it off. :-)

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Re: 0852: "Consecutive Vowels"

Postby arbivark » Fri Jan 28, 2011 3:14 pm UTC

Arky wrote:It's a correlation does not equal causation joke.
To people missing the joke, and missing why a search on a large database of "material" might correlate sexual arousal with lots of vowels in a row, think OH OOOOOH OOOOOOOOOOOOOOH YEAAAAAAAAAAH! YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

oh! i was one of those people. thanks arky, says arbi.
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Re: 0852: "Consecutive Vowels"

Postby oddtail » Fri Jan 28, 2011 3:16 pm UTC

Jyrki wrote:
oddtail wrote:The number of vowels matters in *writing*?


Ok. So go with Finnish. A (nearly) bijective correspondence between individual letters and phonemes.

Win: 100 per cent literacy. Easier speech synthesis.

Lose: 28 letters in the alphabet (29 if you include the needs of certain names of Swedish origin). Pointless have to a spelling bee, as any 3rd grader or above will ace it.


Yeah, it's the same with my native Polish, actually (31 letters in the Polish alphabet, 34 if you count "q", "v" and "x" that are needed for recent foreign-language borrowings only. Earlier-borrowed words have all been adapted to spelling without those letters). The pronunciation is always unambiguous based on the spelling (not the other way 'round, though. Certain sounds can be spelt in two ways, usually due to historical differences in pronunciation that are no longer present, and so spelling mistakes do happen).

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Re: 0852: "Consecutive Vowels"

Postby Onkelpazuzu » Fri Jan 28, 2011 3:16 pm UTC

But... using a factor analysis to show a curvilinear relation between two variables?..

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Re: 0852: "Consecutive Vowels"

Postby Sprocket » Fri Jan 28, 2011 3:16 pm UTC

YEY! This one made me super happy! Probably because I'm super horny this week!
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Re: 0852: "Consecutive Vowels"

Postby BioTube » Fri Jan 28, 2011 3:28 pm UTC

anaboly wrote:Any dictionary worth its salt will 'spell' the pronunciations according to the IPA form.
Because we all know that there's no such thing as accents.
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Re: 0852: "Consecutive Vowels"

Postby big boss » Fri Jan 28, 2011 4:05 pm UTC

this whole sexual arousal thing cant actually be true can it?
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Re: 0852: "Consecutive Vowels"

Postby kernsville » Fri Jan 28, 2011 4:19 pm UTC

RebeccaRGB wrote:Hawaiians must be like rabbits.


Yes, My folks live on Oahu, and there are cities with names like "Aiea" and streets named "Pua'a"
I suppose one must look at the steepness of the curve in this theory, or the whole island chain would be spilling over with people.

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Re: 0852: "Consecutive Vowels"

Postby Vir4030 » Fri Jan 28, 2011 4:54 pm UTC

Please fix the subject of this thread. This is comic 853, not 852.

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Re: 0852: "Consecutive Vowels"

Postby RMo » Fri Jan 28, 2011 5:42 pm UTC

Several comments.

1) For those who don't get why this is supposed to be funny, my original thought was that it had something to do with pornstar names, until I realized that many actually contain a series of consecutive (written) "consonants," not "vowels." Now I don't know, but I still think it's amusing.

2) There is no "proper" pronunciation of anything except that which the individual speaker accepts. You are a prescriptivist if you think otherwise. Take a (socio)linguistics class.

3) I find the choice of "vowel" = "written 'vowel' letter" to be interesting. (Warning: actual linguist coming through.) "Voyeur" has maximally one or two consecutive vowel sounds (with X-SAMPA in lieu of IPA [note that "I" is a capital "i"], /OI/ is just a diphthong, a vowel with tongue movement, and /@r/ or /r/, depending on what you believe, can be either a rhotic-colored vowel or simply a syllabic /r/, unless you have an RP-like pronunciation, in which case it is usually a vowel.) Further, "queueing" has a sequence /juI/ (perhaps [juwI]), which is certainly two vowel sounds but only three (or four) if you're VERY generous and count nonsyllabic glides (/j, w/) as vowels. (That's actually the main difference between /i, u/ and /j, w/: the former are nonsyllabic, the latter are syllabic. Their behavior cross-linguistically can be rather interesting.)

Unless you're trying to argue that we really think about spelling when we produce and perceive words OR you've fallen under the misconception that written "vowels" (what does a letter mean, anyway?) are equivalent to spoken vowels, this comic doesn't really add up.

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Re: 0852: "Consecutive Vowels"

Postby Emphatic » Fri Jan 28, 2011 6:19 pm UTC

This must be why nobody wants to sleep with a gypsy.

(To my knowledge, it's the longest word in the English language that has no vowels)

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Re: 0852: "Consecutive Vowels"

Postby from canada » Fri Jan 28, 2011 6:48 pm UTC

The joke is that the graph is actually a connect-the-dots picture of randall's erectic phallus (with a horrifically graphic depiction of his urinary tract).

He's sexually assualting her.

Hilarious.

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Re: 0852: "Consecutive Vowels"

Postby suso » Fri Jan 28, 2011 7:09 pm UTC

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Haha, does that give new light to sexual harassment?
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Re: 0852: "Consecutive Vowels"

Postby boradis » Fri Jan 28, 2011 7:40 pm UTC

RebeccaRGB wrote:Hawaiians must be like rabbits.

I'm a mainlander who moved here five years ago. Indeed there are a lot of very big families, and I'm not even kidding. My step-brother has five sons, and that's considered modest here.

Also, vowels are mostly pronounced individually in Hawaiian. For instance, I live near Keeaumoku St. (known for its strip clubs) which is pronounced "Key-ay-oh-mo-ku." My parents live off of Kuliouou, (Koo-lee-oo-oo) and that neighborhood has numerous big families with big homes to match.

One of the streets in Waikiki where the hookers congregate is Kalakaua. The reason I know this is it's the main drag, they come out pretty early and are impossible to miss.

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Re: 0852: "Consecutive Vowels"

Postby calmh » Fri Jan 28, 2011 8:20 pm UTC

Can't believe noone's noticed that this thread is incorrectly titled, and the comic in the original post incorrectly linked. The comic we're discussing is 853, not 852...

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Re: 0852: "Consecutive Vowels"

Postby Tyrannosaur » Fri Jan 28, 2011 8:32 pm UTC

oddtail wrote:If it's still writing that matters, it explains why French is such a sexy language. What with so many "eau" clusters.


The first thing I thought was "I'm so glad I know French."
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Re: 0852: "Consecutive Vowels"

Postby maze2000wi » Fri Jan 28, 2011 8:56 pm UTC

By the way - that girl needs to get a decent haircut. I mean, seriously.

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Re: 0852: "Consecutive Vowels"

Postby alexriehl » Fri Jan 28, 2011 10:12 pm UTC

hthall wrote:Image

Title-text: But the windows! What if there's a voyeur watchi-- wait, now I'm turned on too.

How to get the girls to line up for you.

EDIT: cleaned up the HTML-coded apostrophes, and corrected the spelling of "voyeur", anticipating that Monsieur Munroe will do the same


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Re: 0852: "Consecutive Vowels"

Postby J.D. KaPow » Fri Jan 28, 2011 10:25 pm UTC

GulliNL wrote:Also; Haaieeieren or papagaaieeieren (Shark's eggs or Parrot's eggs) are dutch words with 9 consecutive vowels. Yeah, that's right! ;)


Which means that the theory clearly works on sharks and parrots. Well, Dutch sharks and parrots. Hmm, unless there aren't any Dutch sharks or parrots, in which case it apparently didn't work.

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Re: 0853: "Consecutive Vowels"

Postby Fat Pigeon » Fri Jan 28, 2011 10:50 pm UTC

What's with the graph? The function doesn't seem to increase exponentially until past 15-or-so points along the x-axis. Because the number of vowels can only be a natural number, it'd practically take a paragraph of consecutive vowels to reach the upper portions of the graph. The outliers around the mark I infer to be 0-vowels is interesting. If I were to met a girl who was turned on by words primarily used in Scrabble, I'd want to pursue a tryst.

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Re: 0852: "Consecutive Vowels"

Postby benhowt » Fri Jan 28, 2011 11:05 pm UTC

darthValiant wrote:I would think that the correct correllation would be the other way 'round: higher levels of sexual arousal cause consecutive vowels in the form of moaning. That would give some wonderful (or horrific depending on the utterer) sounding 30 vowel combos. This could also be said for severe/acute pain:consecutive vowels.


Correct me if I'm wrong here...but isn't correlation usually between two variables (shaky sixth form stats here) and not caused by one or the other? And if so, correlation doesn't have a "way round"...apart from in the sense of drawing regression lines...

Not sure how coherent this one is...

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Re: 0852: "Consecutive Vowels"

Postby Tyrannosaur » Fri Jan 28, 2011 11:10 pm UTC

benhowt wrote:
darthValiant wrote:I would think that the correct correllation would be the other way 'round: higher levels of sexual arousal cause consecutive vowels in the form of moaning. That would give some wonderful (or horrific depending on the utterer) sounding 30 vowel combos. This could also be said for severe/acute pain:consecutive vowels.


Correct me if I'm wrong here...but isn't correlation usually between two variables (shaky sixth form stats here) and not caused by one or the other? And if so, correlation doesn't have a "way round"...apart from in the sense of drawing regression lines...

Not sure how coherent this one is...


Even if correlation does not imply causation (which it doesn't), it is still one variable in terms of the other. In this case, the number of consecutive vowels to arousal. It is the difference between which one you are measuring, and which one you are estimating.
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Re: 0852: "Consecutive Vowels"

Postby bmonk » Fri Jan 28, 2011 11:12 pm UTC

Aradae wrote:Do consecutive consonants have the opposite effect?

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"Strengths"?

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darthValiant wrote:I would think that the correct correllation would be the other way 'round: higher levels of sexual arousal cause consecutive vowels in the form of moaning. That would give some wonderful (or horrific depending on the utterer) sounding 30 vowel combos. This could also be said for severe/acute pain:consecutive vowels.


Correct me if I'm wrong here...but isn't correlation usually between two variables (shaky sixth form stats here) and not caused by one or the other? And if so, correlation doesn't have a "way round"...apart from in the sense of drawing regression lines...

Not sure how coherent this one is...


You are right: correlation only measures how the variables are linked. It says nothing about which, if either, causes the other. (For example, both may be caused by a third factor.)

Or take this site on the correlation between Pirates and Global Temperatures. (As some have noted, it should have additional data, for more recent times. But it shouldn't affect the correlation that seriously.)
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Re: 0852: "Consecutive Vowels"

Postby oasisob1 » Fri Jan 28, 2011 11:16 pm UTC

A_of_s_t wrote:Wouldn't the word "peeing" (which as a long e sound) be just as effective as "queuing" according to Randall's comic?



Go do google image searches of both 'peeing' and 'queuing' with safe search off, and let us know which one returns results which you find more arousing!
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Re: 0852: "Consecutive Vowels"

Postby DataGenetics » Fri Jan 28, 2011 11:22 pm UTC

Don't forget about "Euouae"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euouae

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Re: 0852: "Consecutive Vowels"

Postby WolfieMario » Fri Jan 28, 2011 11:34 pm UTC

If this applied to the spelling and not the pronunciation, then would "rhythm" be considered the least sexy word in the English language?

A_of_s_t wrote:I've actually had this hypothesis before, except hard consonant sounds subtract from the effect.

So the "q" in queuing would ruin the effectiveness of the vowels.

So "ueuing" (pronounced "ewwing") would be sexier...? :|

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Re: 0852: "Consecutive Vowels"

Postby Loyal Lurker » Sat Jan 29, 2011 12:12 am UTC

This is why French is so damn sexy to the ear

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Re: 0852: "Consecutive Vowels"

Postby BioTurboNick » Sat Jan 29, 2011 12:36 am UTC

Tyrannosaur wrote:
benhowt wrote:Correct me if I'm wrong here...but isn't correlation usually between two variables (shaky sixth form stats here) and not caused by one or the other? And if so, correlation doesn't have a "way round"...apart from in the sense of drawing regression lines...

Not sure how coherent this one is...


Even if correlation does not imply causation (which it doesn't), it is still one variable in terms of the other. In this case, the number of consecutive vowels to arousal. It is the difference between which one you are measuring, and which one you are estimating.


I'm not sure that matters. Both are measures with varying levels of precision. Only if you are in an experiment and are actively manipulating one variable and measuring what happens to the other can you really say one belongs on the X axis and the other on the Y axis.

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Re: 0852: "Consecutive Vowels"

Postby kyndo » Sat Jan 29, 2011 1:15 am UTC

GulliNL wrote:
naigangnidborb wrote:Angstschreeuw! (Dutch for "fear scream". Guess it being un-sexy fits.)

I registered just to learn you an even better example; slechtstschrijvend (translated into worst writing: e.g. Of all the people he is the worst writing. Which is actually good grammar in dutch ;) )

Also; Haaieeieren or papagaaieeieren (Shark's eggs or Parrot's eggs) are dutch words with 9 consecutive vowels. Yeah, that's right! ;)


And I registered just to comment on your comment :)
In slechtstschrijvend, the j, when combined with the i forms a 'y' sound and could therefore be considered a vowel. Not that it makes much of a difference...
Also, do the total number of vowels or consonants in a word affect sexiness? If so, Kindercarnavalsoptochtvoorbereidingswerkzaamheden (preparations for a kid's carnival parade) falls under 'mixed signals'. :D

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Re: 0852: "Consecutive Vowels"

Postby Dopefish » Sat Jan 29, 2011 1:17 am UTC

I'd rather like to know the units of sexual arousal myself.

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Re: 0853: "Consecutive Vowels"

Postby cjmcjmcjmcjm » Sat Jan 29, 2011 1:41 am UTC

Y'all do realize that this one is number 853, right?
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