0871: "Charity"

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0871: "Charity"

Postby joee » Fri Mar 11, 2011 5:10 am UTC

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Alt text: "I usually respond to someone else doing something good by figuring out a reason that they're not really as good as they seem. But I've been realizing lately that there's an easier way to handle these situations, and it involves zero internet arguments."

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Re: 0871: "Charity"

Postby VectorZero » Fri Mar 11, 2011 5:11 am UTC

Comic links to Nothing But Nets charity. Nice
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Re: 0871: "Charity"

Postby athelas » Fri Mar 11, 2011 5:18 am UTC

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Many people, when they see something that they think is worth doing, would like to volunteer a few hours of spare time, or maybe mail in a five-year-old laptop and some canned goods, or walk in a march somewhere, but at any rate, not spend money.

Believe me, I understand the feeling. Every time I spend money I feel like I'm losing hit points. That's the problem with having a unified quantity describing your net worth: Seeing that number go down is not a pleasant feeling, even though it has to fluctuate in the ordinary course of your existence. There ought to be a fun-theoretic principle against it.

But, well...

There is this very, very old puzzle/observation in economics about the lawyer who spends an hour volunteering at the soup kitchen, instead of working an extra hour and donating the money to hire someone to work for five hours at the soup kitchen.

There's this thing called "Ricardo's Law of Comparative Advantage". There's this idea called "professional specialization". There's this notion of "economies of scale". There's this concept of "gains from trade". The whole reason why we have money is to realize the tremendous gains possible from each of us doing what we do best.

This is what grownups do. This is what you do when you want something to actually get done. You use money to employ full-time specialists....Economies of trade and professional specialization are not just vaguely good yet unnatural-sounding ideas, they are the only way that anything ever gets done in this world. Money is not pieces of paper, it is the common currency of caring.

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Re: 0871: "Charity"

Postby WizenedEE » Fri Mar 11, 2011 5:26 am UTC

athelas wrote:...


I've thought about that, but then I realize that people often help out to feel good about themselves or to do some manual labor as a break.

The second panel could be re-written: What's more important? To slightly lessen the chance of one random person getting a disease or to raise your morale and stimulate the American economy?

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Re: 0871: "Charity"

Postby DanielLC » Fri Mar 11, 2011 5:29 am UTC

If you really cared, you'd dedicate your life to earning as much money as you can, and do as much as you can to find the right charity.

Also, you'd stop reading webcomics and get a job or internship, rather than just not spending money on yourself. (That's the part where I fail.)

I've thought about that, but then I realize that people often help out to feel good about themselves or to do some manual labor as a break.

Then it's not charity, is it? It's no different than supporting people in third-world countries by shopping at Wal*Mart.

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Re: 0871: "Charity"

Postby diamonds » Fri Mar 11, 2011 5:33 am UTC

Something called Marginal Utility would be worth pointing out.
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Re: 0871: "Charity"

Postby Ideas sleep furiously. » Fri Mar 11, 2011 5:55 am UTC

When it comes to charity, there is no too much and nothing is too little.

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Re: 0871: "Charity"

Postby uiri » Fri Mar 11, 2011 6:10 am UTC

I simply can't take a charity seriously when it asks me to install proprietary software like flash on its main page.
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Re: 0871: "Charity"

Postby AlexTG » Fri Mar 11, 2011 6:15 am UTC

If Randall really cared he'd place a permanent link to http://www.nothingbutnets.net/ on the site instead of that silly algorithm section :twisted:

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Re: 0871: "Charity"

Postby Eternal Density » Fri Mar 11, 2011 6:19 am UTC

"I think I'm going to buy these two $10 games I want."
"Cool; which ones?"

Uh, can't the other guy read the game boxes in his hand? Also; people don't speak with semicolons like that!
Plus people don't go around saying "I think I'm going to buy X I want."
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Re: 0871: "Charity"

Postby matrix3509 » Fri Mar 11, 2011 6:22 am UTC

I find nothing wrong with people who donate to charities to feel better about themselves. I do however find something wrong with people who try to take the moral high ground to make themselves feel better about the fact that they donated nothing because they are selfish turds.

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Re: 0871: "Charity"

Postby Plasma Mongoose » Fri Mar 11, 2011 6:40 am UTC

The message I get from this comic is that if you tell someone off for not giving more to charity than they are already doing, they might decide to say "Ah F**k It" and not bother giving to charity at all.
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Re: 0871: "Charity"

Postby teelo » Fri Mar 11, 2011 6:44 am UTC

Plasma Mongoose wrote:The message I get from this comic is that if you tell someone off for not giving more to charity than they are alreafy doing, they might decide to say "Ah F**k It" and not bother giving to charity at all.

The message I got was he gave his first $20 to charity and his second $20 to his game store, which is what he would have done if the girlbitch had kept her mouth shut.

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Re: 0871: "Charity"

Postby mnkyman663 » Fri Mar 11, 2011 6:50 am UTC

I was genuinely disappointed when the link wasn't for whatever games Randall was buying.

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Re: 0871: "Charity"

Postby teelo » Fri Mar 11, 2011 6:55 am UTC

Hmmmm.

Scientists have discovered something a bit odd about the East African jumping spider: it’s attracted to the smell of sweaty socks. The smell of sweat and other distinctly human scents attracts these spiders, because where there are people, there are mosquitoes -- the spider’s favorite prey. And not just any mosquitoes -- East African jumping spiders have a particular love of the Anapholes mosquito, the bug that spreads malaria!

In a recent interview, Dr. Fiona Cross chats up the spider’s potential ability to help stop the spread of malaria. When asked by the host, she brings up the way that spiders and bed nets can together be part of the “jigsaw puzzle” that is malaria prevention. Nothing But Nets supports this new human/arachnid partnership. With your help, and even more spiders, we have a chance to cover a continent with nets and webs*.


Commence discussion about this charity promoting breeding one pest (the spider) so it can kill off another pest (mosquitoes) which are killing off another pest (humans).

Annnnnnnnnd go!

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Re: 0871: "Charity"

Postby ImTestingSleeping » Fri Mar 11, 2011 6:58 am UTC

Charity is such a strange concept to me. I really think there are some very interesting things going on socially when someone asks you to donate. I really believe that most people wouldn't donate anonymously (reminds me of this Curb Your Enthusiam clip). That skewed motivation to donate isn't a bad thing, it just means that charities should and probably do exploit that part of human egotism to get more money. Which is cool!

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Re: 0871: "Charity"

Postby Whys » Fri Mar 11, 2011 7:05 am UTC

Let people think they are better than they are, and they just might accidentally be.

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Re: 0871: "Charity"

Postby Magnanimous » Fri Mar 11, 2011 7:33 am UTC

One time my mom went to a local family-owned restaurant because they needed more business, and she used a coupon. I was going to say something, but... no.
Eternal Density wrote:Also; people don't speak with semicolons like that!
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Re: 0871: "Charity"

Postby osmigos » Fri Mar 11, 2011 7:58 am UTC

Whys wrote:Let people think they are better than they are, and they just might accidentally be.

It can be argued that no one will ever have a completely selfless motivation for helping others. What people who make that argument don't see is that it doesn't devalue what is done.

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Re: 0871: "Charity"

Postby LtNOWIS » Fri Mar 11, 2011 8:20 am UTC

DanielLC wrote:If you really cared, you'd dedicate your life to earning as much money as you can, and do as much as you can to find the right charity.

There actually is a guy in Britain who donates most of his money to charity and lives only slightly above the poverty line. Of course, he's a tenured professor with socialized medicine, bikes to work, lives in University housing, and such, so he doesn't have some of the concerns other people have.

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Re: 0871: "Charity"

Postby Turing Machine » Fri Mar 11, 2011 8:22 am UTC

LtNOWIS wrote:
DanielLC wrote:If you really cared, you'd dedicate your life to earning as much money as you can, and do as much as you can to find the right charity.

There actually is a guy in Britain who donates most of his money to charity and lives only slightly above the poverty line. Of course, he's a tenured professor with socialized medicine, bikes to work, lives in University housing, and such, so he doesn't have some of the concerns other people have.


So the British taxpayer is donating to charity on his behalf.

Well

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Re: 0871: "Charity"

Postby speqter » Fri Mar 11, 2011 8:24 am UTC

teelo wrote:
Plasma Mongoose wrote:The message I get from this comic is that if you tell someone off for not giving more to charity than they are alreafy doing, they might decide to say "Ah F**k It" and not bother giving to charity at all.

The message I got was he gave his first $20 to charity and his second $20 to his game store, which is what he would have done if the girlbitch had kept her mouth shut.


If he really cared, then he should have donated the $40 to charity.

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Re: 0871: "Charity"

Postby LtNOWIS » Fri Mar 11, 2011 8:29 am UTC

Turing Machine wrote:
LtNOWIS wrote:
DanielLC wrote:If you really cared, you'd dedicate your life to earning as much money as you can, and do as much as you can to find the right charity.

There actually is a guy in Britain who donates most of his money to charity and lives only slightly above the poverty line. Of course, he's a tenured professor with socialized medicine, bikes to work, lives in University housing, and such, so he doesn't have some of the concerns other people have.


So the British taxpayer is donating to charity on his behalf.

Well

Well, he could just as easily spend the money on eating out more often, buying nicer things, etc. like most people do, including academics.

Here's an article about the guy; looks like I misrememberd the details. He does actually pay rent, and donates less than 50% of his income to charity.

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Re: 0871: "Charity"

Postby Felstaff » Fri Mar 11, 2011 8:54 am UTC

This is why I never tell anyone how much or even whether I give to charity. The merest mention of donation and people get their judgement face on. And then they get all up ins.
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Re: 0871: "Charity"

Postby jalanb » Fri Mar 11, 2011 9:38 am UTC

Turing Machine wrote:
LtNOWIS wrote:... he's a tenured professor with socialized medicine, bikes to work, lives in University housing, and such, ...


So the British taxpayer is donating to charity on his behalf.



The British taxpayer is allowing him some individual discretion in how taxes are distributed.

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Re: 0871: "Charity"

Postby jalanb » Fri Mar 11, 2011 9:40 am UTC

What's a "zero internet argument"?

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Re: 0871: "Charity"

Postby jules.LT » Fri Mar 11, 2011 10:02 am UTC

DanielLC wrote:If you really cared, you'd dedicate your life to earning as much money as you can, and do as much as you can to find the right charity.


Except that at the top end "earning as much money as you can" usually means doing a lot of :evil: bad things :evil: , so your karma balance might not end up positive.
Also, pursuing money 99% of the time will actively make you less likely to give away that money in the end.

If you really care, you should just specialize in something that does good for the world and your fellow human beings. Then your energy will be directly translated into good rather than going through the pesky intermediary of money.
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Re: 0871: "Charity"

Postby mikekearn » Fri Mar 11, 2011 10:21 am UTC

Eternal Density wrote:"I think I'm going to buy these two $10 games I want."
"Cool; which ones?"

Uh, can't the other guy read the game boxes in his hand? Also; people don't speak with semicolons like that!
Plus people don't go around saying "I think I'm going to buy X I want."

I always speak with semicolons; it's my way of life.
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Re: 0871: "Charity"

Postby Steroid » Fri Mar 11, 2011 10:43 am UTC

Alternate message:

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But here's what really happened:

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Re: 0871: "Charity"

Postby RebeccaRGB » Fri Mar 11, 2011 10:52 am UTC

jalanb wrote:What's a "zero internet argument"?


This:

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Re: 0871: "Charity"

Postby UmlautBanana » Fri Mar 11, 2011 10:54 am UTC

Eternal Density wrote:Also; people don't speak with semicolons like that!

I made an account just to point out the hypocrisy in this.

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Re: 0871: "Charity"

Postby Randomizer » Fri Mar 11, 2011 10:57 am UTC

When I heard that the comic was linked to nothingbutnets, I thought it was a charity to hook people in Africa up to the internet. And their "net distribution map" made me think, "Cool! You can see which countries they're working on getting hooked up! All those "nets" must be internet connections."

Took me a bit to realize they meant mosquito nets. :P

But, comeon, that would've been awesome. XD
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Re: 0871: "Charity"

Postby Maurog » Fri Mar 11, 2011 10:58 am UTC

I donated 0.000...1$ to charity, but if I really cared, I would donate twice as much.
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Re: 0871: "Charity"

Postby jozwa » Fri Mar 11, 2011 11:01 am UTC

teelo wrote:Annnnnnnnnd go!

Hmm, so the spider only hunts female mosquitoes that have already fed on human blood. Sounds effective. Let's breed a bazillion spiders and watch mosquito reproduction plummet.

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Re: 0871: "Charity"

Postby IanBell » Fri Mar 11, 2011 11:23 am UTC

Turing Machine wrote:
LtNOWIS wrote:There actually is a guy in Britain who donates most of his money to charity and lives only slightly above the poverty line. Of course, he's a tenured professor with socialized medicine, bikes to work, lives in University housing, and such, so he doesn't have some of the concerns other people have.


So the British taxpayer is donating to charity on his behalf.


I imagine he earns more than the median income in the UK, so is a net contributor to our tax system, and our "socialized medicine". He has just chosen to give more of his disposable (after tax) income to charity, rather than spending it on himself.

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Re: 0871: "Charity"

Postby Technical Ben » Fri Mar 11, 2011 11:54 am UTC

You do realise there are people who don't buy either game and give to a "good" cause? Like those who give up a good few months to go treat people in a disaster zone, or build them homes. All ut of their own pocket...
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Re: 0871: "Charity"

Postby SpudTater » Fri Mar 11, 2011 12:06 pm UTC

Turing Machine wrote:So the British taxpayer is donating to charity on his behalf.

No, we're paying for him, as well as millions of other [effectively] incomeless individuals, to live relatively safe, healthy lives because we are not assholes.
If his only motivation to earn money is to give it away to charity, then more power to him.

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Re: 0871: "Charity"

Postby Pikrass » Fri Mar 11, 2011 12:47 pm UTC

Eternal Density wrote:"I think I'm going to buy these two $10 games I want."
"Cool; which ones?"

Uh, can't the other guy read the game boxes in his hand?

I think it's a smartphone. That would explain the price of the games.
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Re: 0871: "Charity"

Postby Afrael » Fri Mar 11, 2011 12:52 pm UTC

Whys wrote:Let people think they are better than they are, and they just might accidentally be.


Remdinds me of the description of a WoW item (the yellow part).

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Re: 0871: "Charity"

Postby KShrike » Fri Mar 11, 2011 1:05 pm UTC

The subjects of charity and gaming in the same sentence. I haven't heard that since Awesome Games Done Quick.....
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