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Re: 0900: "Religions"

Postby collegestudent22 » Wed May 18, 2011 10:19 am UTC

NotAllThere wrote:
player_03 wrote:Sounds a little hard to test...

Also, due to the fact that this comic mentions religion, I fully expect this topic to have reached 6 pages of debate by Friday (plus 1-3 pages of other comments). That's just how it works.
Of course it works that way, because fanatic religion and fanatic anti-religion are the motivated by the same stimulus. So I can feel superior about both.


Ah, yes. A reference to comic #774. Nice.

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Re: 0900: "Religions"

Postby cynicalbastard » Wed May 18, 2011 10:42 am UTC

Brooks Hatlen wrote: some Islamic Judeo-Christian faith

"Over the Edge" - one of my favorite role playing games had "Mid-eastern Compromise" as a major religion.
Poo-tee-weet?

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Re: 0900: "Religions"

Postby Iranon » Wed May 18, 2011 10:47 am UTC

collegestudent22 wrote:There are fundamental differences between the three. Jews believe that they are waiting for a savior, and are currently "saved" through ritual sacrifice. Christians, however, believe that the savior has come in Christ, and therefore follow his teachings - namely that it is through belief in Christ and the sacrifice on the Cross, followed by the Resurrection, that saves them. And Islam says that the interpretation the Jews and Christians have is somehow flawed and "incomplete" (yet still from a perfect God?), and the real way to be saved is to perfectly follow the Qu'ran's teachings on good works, etc. (Which means I guess UBL isn't saved, even according to Islam, as he was all watching porn and ordering Coke up in his Pakistani mansion.)


Compare the extent to which individual practitioners believe(d) in the common mythology - angels, demons, spirits, magic.
Consider how lengthy, chaotic and shaped by worldly concerns the processes were that led to distinct doctrines.
The 'fundamental' differences barely register compared to other varieties in belief; they were more important as symbols of who recognised whose authority and was accorded a certain legal status.
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Re: 0900: "Religions"

Postby collegestudent22 » Wed May 18, 2011 10:56 am UTC

Iranon wrote:
collegestudent22 wrote:There are fundamental differences between the three. Jews believe that they are waiting for a savior, and are currently "saved" through ritual sacrifice. Christians, however, believe that the savior has come in Christ, and therefore follow his teachings - namely that it is through belief in Christ and the sacrifice on the Cross, followed by the Resurrection, that saves them. And Islam says that the interpretation the Jews and Christians have is somehow flawed and "incomplete" (yet still from a perfect God?), and the real way to be saved is to perfectly follow the Qu'ran's teachings on good works, etc. (Which means I guess UBL isn't saved, even according to Islam, as he was all watching porn and ordering Coke up in his Pakistani mansion.)


Compare the extent to which individual practitioners believe(d) in the common mythology - angels, demons, spirits, magic.
Consider how lengthy, chaotic and shaped by worldly concerns the processes were that led to distinct doctrines.
The 'fundamental' differences barely register compared to other varieties in belief; they were more important as symbols of who recognised whose authority and was accorded a certain legal status.


The differences I speak of are quite fundamental. Differing on some point of doctrine, such as angels, is not the same as disagreeing with the fundamental concept of the faith. You cannot claim to be a Christian and disbelieve the Resurrection ("if Christ has not been raised [...] you are still in your sins"), nor can you be a (religious) Jew and believe Christ (or someone else) was the Messiah. Nor can you be a Muslim without following the doctrines of the Qu'ran on salvation through works, as explicitly stated multiple times in the book, or the idea of divine revelation given to Mohammed. These are the fundamental beliefs that form the foundation of the faiths, and cannot be explained away as "doctrinal differences".

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Re: 0900: "Religions"

Postby samwyse » Wed May 18, 2011 11:17 am UTC

AFAIK, the only monotheistic religions are the Abrahamic ones. Note that the referenced article makes the claim that monotheism was popular throughout the Middle East during the Iron Age. I'd guess that someone had to have the idea first and we may as well call that person Abraham. Those competing religions seem to have died out, probably due to the arrival of the "have no gods before me" meme.

Hinduism, like the pre-Christian Greeks and Romans, have a pantheon of gods, all of whom are more or less equal. Unlike the Greeks or Romans (who would visit different temples for different prayers), Hindus generally worship just one god while still accepting the existence of others. This differentiates them from Abrahamic religions, which generally deny or denigrate the existence of other gods.

Buddhism started out as a denial of any gods. The Theravada branch still follows that belief, but the Mahayana branch has moved towards a belief in a hierarchy of enlightened beings that is in many ways similar to both Hinduism and Christianity. Whereas in the Theravada branch, a person would strive to escape the cycle of rebirth, the Mahayana branch decided that an altruistic person would not choose to simply cease to exist but would instead decide to "stick around" to help and guide others. These individuals, as a result of their enlightenment, acquire god-like powers, and the most enlightened merge into a single omnipotent being; thus Siddhattha Gotama is similar to the Christian Jesus. One nice thing is that the Mahayana branch holds that there are infinitely many Gautama Buddhas, separated by space and time, and that Siddhattha Gotama is merely "our" Buddha. There were other Gautama Buddhas before him, but their believers disappeared; if all current believers were to disappear a new Gautama Buddha would arise; and intelligent life elsewhere in the Universe either has or is in between their own Gautama Buddhas.

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Re: 0900: "Religions"

Postby clanders » Wed May 18, 2011 11:26 am UTC

It felt, to me, like we had three separate comics here - each panel was its own.

And only the first one was funny. Should have just had the first panel.

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Re: 0900: "Religions"

Postby The_Ace » Wed May 18, 2011 11:59 am UTC

samwyse wrote:Buddhism started out as a denial of any gods. The Theravada branch still follows that belief,

No, this is wrong. The concept of gods in Theravada Buddhism is there but they are not omnipotent gods like in the deity based religions. Gods are considered as another form of beings with a conscious mind, but does not posses a physical body as humans do.

samwyse wrote:One nice thing is that the Mahayana branch holds that there are infinitely many Gautama Buddhas, separated by space and time, and that Siddhattha Gotama is merely "our" Buddha. There were other Gautama Buddhas before him, but their believers disappeared; if all current believers were to disappear a new Gautama Buddha would arise; and intelligent life elsewhere in the Universe either has or is in between their own Gautama Buddhas.

Um, slight correction here, The Theravada branch believes this as well. There has been (26 according to the Theravada branch) and will be many Buddhas. Gauthama Buddha is the recent one (who became enlightened this day, 2600 years ago ) who's teachings the present Buddhists follow. This is due to Gauthama being part of his name (Siddhartha Gautama), The next Buddha will have a different name and the Theravada branch believes his name will be Maithri Buddha.

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Re: 0900: "Religions"

Postby DrBob » Wed May 18, 2011 12:10 pm UTC

Of course, as the tenets of Category Theory hold:

There is one God (up to isomorphism.)

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Re: 0900: "Religions"

Postby meatyochre » Wed May 18, 2011 12:12 pm UTC

So if the Rapture is this month, does that mean I can stop paying my rent now? I really hate paying rent.
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Re: 0900: "Religions"

Postby collegestudent22 » Wed May 18, 2011 12:37 pm UTC

I'm getting a mysterious deposit on Friday - perhaps someone is trying to pay me to stick around through the Rapture? :lol:

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Re: 0900: "Religions"

Postby mcv » Wed May 18, 2011 12:54 pm UTC

NotAllThere wrote:Is obsession with the rapture a purely US thing? It's not something I've noticed much t'other side of the pond.

As a European Christian, I've always had the impression that US Christianity is somewhat odd. At the very least. Some parts seem quite seriously deranged, and that includes the Rapture movement. I've no idea how big that movement really is in the US, but my impression is that it's completely non-existent in Netherland (where I live).

Though with US cultural influence, you never know what kind of weird ideas we're going to copy. I've spoken to otherwise intelligent people who seemed to think that there might be something to Intelligent Design. More than the anti-scientific lobby group that it seems to be from where I'm sitting. And when a leading TV personality (and also president I think) of the evangelical broadcasting organisation mentioned he didn't see a problem with the theory of evolution, some of their members got upset and suggested he might be going to hell. The man is intelligent and always very well informed, I can't see how anyone could possibly doubt he'd have a decent understanding of science. I'm always amazed when I hear about Christians who have a problem with it. But it happens, though fortunately not anywhere near as much as in the US.

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Re: 0900: "Religions"

Postby mcv » Wed May 18, 2011 12:59 pm UTC

Iranon wrote:Judaism, Christianity and Islam are the same religion as far as I'm concerned. They have the same god, borrow from the same traditions, differences of belief are generally overshadowed by differences in culture and politics.

They have common roots, but they have very different interpretations. Judaism and Islam are very much about following rules and doing the right deeds, and that's pretty much it. Christianity is quite a bit more flexible, concerned more with intention (love, in particular) than what you actually do. And accepting God's forgiveness.

In practice it doesn't always seem to work out that way, though.

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Re: 0900: "Religions"

Postby madjo » Wed May 18, 2011 1:10 pm UTC

collegestudent22 wrote:The differences I speak of are quite fundamental. Differing on some point of doctrine, such as angels, is not the same as disagreeing with the fundamental concept of the faith. You cannot claim to be a Christian and disbelieve the Resurrection ("if Christ has not been raised [...] you are still in your sins") nor can you be a (religious) Jew and believe Christ (or someone else) was the Messiah. Nor can you be a Muslim without following the doctrines of the Qu'ran on salvation through works, as explicitly stated multiple times in the book, or the idea of divine revelation given to Mohammed. These are the fundamental beliefs that form the foundation of the faiths, and cannot be explained away as "doctrinal differences".


[citation needed]
Why can't you claim to be a Christian and still not take the teachings of the Bible at face-value? If that were the case, then what are Christian scientists? Practiced liars or something?
If a religion can't stand a bit of criticism, then it has no dealings with the real world.

In the case of religions, many, if not all, are divided among different types of believers.
There are the extreme orthodox and the more laid-back kinds of believers. And every flavour in between is possible.

I am convinced that there is a Jewish person right now eating bacon, while drinking milk. It may go against the grain of some part of hir* belief, but you can't judge them.

If there is a god, let hir be the judge of what is right or wrong.

*hir=him or her

And I agree with Iranon, that at their cores, the Islam, Christianity and Judaism are similar if not the same. (In fact Christianity is derived from Judaism)
Love and kindness. Everything else are details filled in by human beings to make sense of a world that wasn't making sense.
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Re: 0900: "Religions"

Postby madjo » Wed May 18, 2011 1:20 pm UTC

mcv wrote:
NotAllThere wrote:Is obsession with the rapture a purely US thing? It's not something I've noticed much t'other side of the pond.

As a European Christian, I've always had the impression that US Christianity is somewhat odd. At the very least. Some parts seem quite seriously deranged, and that includes the Rapture movement. I've no idea how big that movement really is in the US, but my impression is that it's completely non-existent in Netherland (where I live).

At least here in NL are no TV people screaming that the end is nigh, nor any trucks running through our streets with quotes from the Bible and saying that the rapture is going to happen soon. :)
But then again, most Dutchmen and women are pretty down-to-earth. We only really go nuts on April 30th and when Oranje is winning a football match. So unless the rapture features the Dutch national football team, I doubt you'll see many people getting worked up about it.

Though with US cultural influence, you never know what kind of weird ideas we're going to copy. I've spoken to otherwise intelligent people who seemed to think that there might be something to Intelligent Design.

Thankfully, I haven't met those people yet.

And when a leading TV personality (and also president I think) of the evangelical broadcasting organisation mentioned he didn't see a problem with the theory of evolution, some of their members got upset and suggested he might be going to hell. The man is intelligent and always very well informed, I can't see how anyone could possibly doubt he'd have a decent understanding of science.

Ah, Andries Knevel. Love him, hate him, he has a clear point of view. I don't really like him myself, but I can respect his PoV and applauded his statement that he had no problem with the evolution theory.
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Re: 0900: "Religions"

Postby beav » Wed May 18, 2011 1:43 pm UTC

or, as my Unitarian Universalist college room mate would proselytize, he worships 'as many as one god'. i'm not sure if he was counting in whole numbers or some fraction thereof.

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Re: 0900: "Religions"

Postby snowyowl » Wed May 18, 2011 1:55 pm UTC

I have a correction to make to the third panel: We now know that there are 0.5 gods, with an error margin of ±0.5, with 90% certainty.
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Re: 0900: "Religions"

Postby ursomniac » Wed May 18, 2011 1:55 pm UTC

OK - I don't understand why God doesn't understand spherical trigonometry.

So - according to those "in the know" about the details for Saturday's apocalypse, it's suppose to occur at 6PM standard time (because daylight savings time is teh evil) in EACH time zone sequentially.

So - what happens if someone travels to near the pole where the traveling distance between time zones is easy enough to cover in an hour, and just travels "west" so as to stay ahead of the apocalypse? When you make a complete circuit in longitude you'll lose a day crossing the International Date Line and avoid the rapture completely!

If you have a fast enough mode of transportation you can successfully do this from lower latitudes (It would be a great chart to correlate the speed of various vehicle types versus the lowest latitude at which they'd be successful.)

What about the people on the ISS? Do they get multiple raptures (from behind) traveling INTO the apocalypse wave?

What if we had people on the Moon? What happens to them? (Fortunately - we're so behind on space exploration that God doesn't have to worry about this.)

I'm esp. pissed because I'm on vacation next week.

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Re: 0900: "Religions"

Postby Tony » Wed May 18, 2011 2:00 pm UTC

Faranya wrote:
Brooks Hatlen wrote:I've never understood how people can combine religions when each religion clearly states that they are the only one. That being said, it would be awesome if the whole world would decide on some Islamic Judeo-Christian faith so we can focus on more important things.

I think it would be even more awesome if the world were capable of focusing on important things without reaching any such consensus.

Well said, Faranya!

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Re: 0900: "Religions"

Postby enricofosaveo » Wed May 18, 2011 2:16 pm UTC

Thou shalt have no other god before me.


If you take the Christian God literally, he doesn't say he's the only God. He just wants to make sure he gets top billing.

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Re: 0900: "Religions"

Postby mcv » Wed May 18, 2011 2:20 pm UTC

rcox1 wrote:In any case this was very funny. I believe all holy book are written by good, inspired, but ultimately fallible, and in terms of Christianity, sinful person. Therefore though the books may be good, inspired, and even mostly truthful, they are at the end of the day fallible. Attributing some fundamental authority to these books therefore reeks of the universal sin of hubris as we say that we know the mind of almighty, and one we put in words, the almighty cannot be limited by human desire, unless the almighty is no more than a fabrication of human desire.

Even if you consider the book infallible, then there's still going to be quite a bit of fallibility in your interpretation of it. People who consider their personal interpretation of some piece of the bible to trump observed facts and well-founded scientific theories, strike me as the height of hubris and arrogance.

Personally I believe that God reveals himself just as much through his Creation (our universe and its laws) as through the bible.

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Re: 0900: "Religions"

Postby collegestudent22 » Wed May 18, 2011 2:30 pm UTC

madjo wrote:
collegestudent22 wrote:The differences I speak of are quite fundamental. Differing on some point of doctrine, such as angels, is not the same as disagreeing with the fundamental concept of the faith. You cannot claim to be a Christian and disbelieve the Resurrection ("if Christ has not been raised [...] you are still in your sins") nor can you be a (religious) Jew and believe Christ (or someone else) was the Messiah. Nor can you be a Muslim without following the doctrines of the Qu'ran on salvation through works, as explicitly stated multiple times in the book, or the idea of divine revelation given to Mohammed. These are the fundamental beliefs that form the foundation of the faiths, and cannot be explained away as "doctrinal differences".


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Why can't you claim to be a Christian and still not take the teachings of the Bible at face-value? If that were the case, then what are Christian scientists? Practiced liars or something?
If a religion can't stand a bit of criticism, then it has no dealings with the real world.


Christian means, literally, "follower of Christ". Thus, one must follow, at the very least, Christ's teachings, which include him saying things many times that "I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life. No one comes to Father except through me." using various language.

I am convinced that there is a Jewish person right now eating bacon, while drinking milk. It may go against the grain of some part of hir* belief, but you can't judge them.

If there is a god, let hir be the judge of what is right or wrong.


I will merely say that if he says something like "Yahweh doesn't exist" or eschews the commandments at the base of the faith - ritual sacrifice necessary to redeem from sin - he is no longer Jewish.

Love and kindness. Everything else are details filled in by human beings to make sense of a world that wasn't making sense.


Judaism and Islam are far more about following rules, not only love and kindness. Christianity replaces that with faith. Love and kindness are in all three, but the major difference is that bit about sacrifice v. faith v. rules.

Personally I believe that God reveals himself just as much through his Creation (our universe and its laws) as through the bible.


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the skies proclaim the work of his hands.' Psalm 19:1

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Re: 0900: "Religions"

Postby FrobozzWizard » Wed May 18, 2011 2:31 pm UTC

The Unitarian Universalists would be totally down with this one - they make room for just about all belief systems out there, at the same time, so that it's not all that uncommon to have fall schedule that includes a big event for Eid, a big event for Samhain, a big event for Yom Kippur, and a big event for Christmas.

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Re: 0900: "Religions"

Postby paulrowe » Wed May 18, 2011 2:43 pm UTC

Iranon wrote:Judaism, Christianity and Islam are the same religion as far as I'm concerned. They have the same god, borrow from the same traditions, differences of belief are generally overshadowed by differences in culture and politics.

Does this mean that we might see the formation of the Orange Catholic Bible before the Technological Singularity?

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Re: 0900: "Religions"

Postby Ethnodude » Wed May 18, 2011 2:54 pm UTC

NotAllThere wrote:
player_03 wrote:Is obsession with the rapture a purely US thing? It's not something I've noticed much t'other side of the pond.


Coming from a conservative evangelical background, I had to do a good bit of research on that. While the idea of "the Rapture" started in Scotland/Britain a few centuries ago, it was a bad interpretation of a few verses that really caught on the US. It fits our "fear factor" mindset, and sadly is used to convert people. While coming from the largest Evangelical Christian school in the world (Liberty University), I can't help but find the rapture view stupid.

Big names in European Christianity (including the Pope) like Anglican John Stott, flat out think it's stupid.

American Christianity is known for many things, and two of them that are the dumbest are the insistence in the Rapture and the forced notion of ID without any form of evolution. Many in Europe (and some in the US) hold to Theistic evolution, wherein evolution works, and even the Big Bang works, it's just that God was the causation of that Big Bang and had some interaction to help form life.

Mention any of that in the Bible Belt, and you get stoned.

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Re: 0900: "Religions"

Postby Nolim » Wed May 18, 2011 3:00 pm UTC

I consider myself an agnostic atheist pantheist of christian tradition.

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Re: 0900: "Religions"

Postby biodomino » Wed May 18, 2011 3:06 pm UTC

http://eternal-earthbound-pets.com/Home_Page.html

Now if only we atheists could find a way to use raptors to swindle naive Christians of their money...

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Re: 0900: "Religions"

Postby bmonk » Wed May 18, 2011 3:14 pm UTC

cynicalbastard wrote:
Brooks Hatlen wrote: some Islamic Judeo-Christian faith

"Over the Edge" - one of my favorite role playing games had "Mid-eastern Compromise" as a major religion.

Did they use the Orange Catholic Bible?

As I recall, in Dune's universe, most religions amalgamated East and West, like the Zensunni (and Zenshia) Buddhislamics.
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Re: 0900: "Religions"

Postby Xezlec » Wed May 18, 2011 3:19 pm UTC

I'm disappointed at the lack of argument here after 2 pages. Let's see if I can help.

collegestudent22 wrote:There are fundamental differences between the three.


I agree, but they're no more fundamental than the differences between (for example) many Christian sects.

Jews believe that they are waiting for a savior,


Most probably do. Some don't.

and are currently "saved" through ritual sacrifice.


No, Jews don't do ritual sacrifices. They used to back when they had a temple (you know, thousands of years ago), but now they just pray like everybody else. Most mainstream Jews today feel that sacrifice was just a way for God to teach primitive-minded people about religion, and that he never intended it to be a permanent thing.

Christians, however, believe that the savior has come in Christ, and therefore follow his teachings


Very few do. Even those who think they do seem amazingly selective and creative, "interpreting" certain statements so hard they even turn them into their opposites in some cases. Somehow "rich people can't go to heaven" has now been translated to "only rich people go to heaven", for example. BTW, if you own a computer, you are probably in the top 1% of the world's population in terms of wealth. Just sayin'.

namely that it is through belief in Christ and the sacrifice on the Cross, followed by the Resurrection, that saves them.


Not necessarily. Some believe that the pre-Christian pagans may have had a path to salvation, and some believe that those who have never been exposed to Christianity (and ergo have no "belief in Christ") might have one too. In particular, the pope (I'm sure you don't like him, but he's one of those who many people consider a Christian leader) thinks that unbaptized babies might be able to go to heaven.

And Islam says that the interpretation the Jews and Christians have is somehow flawed and "incomplete"


Most religions say this about all other religions. You believe that the interpretation of the Muslims is flawed and that of the Jews is incomplete (without the New Testament), for instance.

(yet still from a perfect God?),


Nope. They don't believe that your interpretation comes from God, they believe that you and your ancestors have distorted and perverted Jesus' teachings. (History largely agrees, interestingly enough.)

and the real way to be saved is to perfectly follow the Qu'ran's teachings on good works, etc.


Just like your holy book teaches that you cannot "inherit the kingdom of God" if you commit any of a long, long list of offenses including eating shellfish (unless you disavow the Old Testament) or wearing earrings in church (unless you disavow the New Testament).

(Which means I guess UBL isn't saved, even according to Islam, as he was all watching porn and ordering Coke up in his Pakistani mansion.)


Actually, he was famously pious, often giving generous banquets and then eating only the scraps to teach himself humility. He really believed all that silly stuff about the virgins and whatnot.

Science is both the how and the why to me.
For many other people Science is the how; Religion is the why.


I would be interested in how you answer the question of "why" with a scientific approach, given that "why" is a question of meaning.


I'm not him, but can I answer? First, I'm not sure "why" is a question of meaning. To me it sounds more like a question of purpose. People can create their own purpose, and they can also look to nature to discover our original purpose (survival and reproduction). He could also have meant that his own purpose is to learn about the universe -- science itself.

Science could explain how my computer works, but it isn't science that explains why I use it.


Wrong. Biology and Psychology can teach us all about why you use it.

Only I can do that.


Can you? Then go ahead, try. Why do you use it?

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Re: 0900: "Religions"

Postby Sasquatch » Wed May 18, 2011 3:21 pm UTC

Personally, I don't get why people are so obsessed with the Rapture supposedly happening on one date or another. In multiple places in the Bible, Jesus clearly states that
No one knows the day or the time. The angels in heaven don't know, and the Son himself doesn't know. Only the Father knows. So watch out and be ready, you don't know when the time will come.
(Mark 13:32-33 is the quote, also mentioned in Mathew 24:36 that I can find in less than 2 minutes of searching)

So unless I'm missing something, anyone who claims that any specific event related to the Second Coming and all that is just blowing a lot of smoke.

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Re: 0900: "Religions"

Postby Fixblor » Wed May 18, 2011 4:10 pm UTC

Sasquatch wrote:Personally, I don't get why people are so obsessed with the Rapture supposedly happening on one date or another. In multiple places in the Bible, Jesus clearly states that
No one knows the day or the time. The angels in heaven don't know, and the Son himself doesn't know. Only the Father knows. So watch out and be ready, you don't know when the time will come.
(Mark 13:32-33 is the quote, also mentioned in Mathew 24:36 that I can find in less than 2 minutes of searching)

So unless I'm missing something, anyone who claims that any specific event related to the Second Coming and all that is just blowing a lot of smoke.

Seventh-Day Adventists: Blowing smoke since sometime between 1843 and 1844.
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Re: 0900: "Religions"

Postby RogueCynic » Wed May 18, 2011 4:12 pm UTC

I'd like to know what all the doomsayers would think if the Rapture did not come. Will they accept the end of the world was miscalculated or would they think they did not deserve salvation? Also, this Saturday is my neices' birthday. Could we postpone the Rapture?
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Re: 0900: "Religions"

Postby phillipsjk » Wed May 18, 2011 4:25 pm UTC

Xezlec wrote:BTW, if you own a computer, you are probably in the top 1% of the world's population in terms of wealth. Just sayin'.


Demonstrably false.

Assume the world population is 7 Billion. For that statement to be true, only about 70 million people can personally own a computer. I don't think that statement has really been true since the invention of the integrated circuit back in 1967.

Unless you are making some kind of statement about how electronics are now licensed but not sold. ;)
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Re: 0900: "Religions"

Postby savanik » Wed May 18, 2011 4:39 pm UTC

RogueCynic wrote:I'd like to know what all the doomsayers would think if the Rapture did not come. Will they accept the end of the world was miscalculated or would they think they did not deserve salvation? Also, this Saturday is my neices' birthday. Could we postpone the Rapture?


Don't worry about, we'll just reschedule it. Honestly, it's like the Rapture is the PSN network at this point, with how many times Sony keeps saying it'll be 'real soon now'.
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Re: 0900: "Religions"

Postby bmonk » Wed May 18, 2011 5:06 pm UTC

savanik wrote:
RogueCynic wrote:I'd like to know what all the doomsayers would think if the Rapture did not come. Will they accept the end of the world was miscalculated or would they think they did not deserve salvation? Also, this Saturday is my neices' birthday. Could we postpone the Rapture?


Don't worry about, we'll just reschedule it. Honestly, it's like the Rapture is the PSN network at this point, with how many times Sony keeps saying it'll be 'real soon now'.


Here's a list of (former) predictions. I kinda like 1843-44; after the fuss died down, and some recalculations were made, they discovered they were Seventh Day Adventists.
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Re: 0900: "Religions"

Postby vodka.cobra » Wed May 18, 2011 5:07 pm UTC

On May 21, I'm going to run out onto the streets excitedly and see if all the religious nuts are gone. That would be a wonderful day. Then me and the sane people (religious or not) can move on with out lives.
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Re: 0900: "Religions"

Postby sevandyk » Wed May 18, 2011 5:11 pm UTC

I would be interested in how you answer the question of "why" with a scientific approach, given that "why" is a question of meaning. Science could explain how my computer works, but it isn't science that explains why I use it. Only I can do that.


As a computer science, I am offended and flabbergasted by the stupidity of this statement. Please explain to me how on earth us in CS could make such lovely machines if we couldn't study what humans needed to do and why. Goodness.

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Re: 0900: "Religions"

Postby Steve the Pocket » Wed May 18, 2011 5:33 pm UTC

phlip wrote:The double-encoded title text has been fixed... it's now "1 Corinthians 8:6±2", not "1 Corinthians 8:6±2".

Doesn't seem to be fixed for me. I'm using Firefox 4; do I have to change the default encoding to Unicode or something?
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Re: 0900: "Religions"

Postby runas » Wed May 18, 2011 5:40 pm UTC

The first panel really is the funny one, as many posters have commented. There's even an etymological connection between "rapture" and "raptor" .... http://staefcraeft.blogspot.com/2011/05/rapture-now-with-more-harpies.html

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Re: 0900: "Religions"

Postby Pfhorrest » Wed May 18, 2011 5:51 pm UTC

Xezlec wrote:they can also look to nature to discover our original purpose (survival and reproduction).

Pet peeve: science says nothing about survival and reproduction being a "purpose". It says that things which are better at surviving and reproducing tend to be around more and longer than things which aren't (a trivial statement, really); and that that fact can be used to explain the cause of things having the features they do now, by showing how those features are or were useful for survival or reproduction (the real meat of the theory of natural selection).

Evolution explains the cause of things being how they are, the way that a neurologist could explain the cause of someone's nervous tick; but those causal explanations do not imply anything about purpose. A nervous tick could be a purposeless trivial behavior, or even counterproductive to certain purposes; so could many evolved features of organisms, possibly including even survival and reproduction.

But either way, the question of purpose is completely different from the question of cause.
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Re: 0900: "Religions"

Postby thelastlambda » Wed May 18, 2011 8:55 pm UTC

I like the rapt(ure)or joke, thats all I had to say. Signed up just to say that


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