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0915: Connoisseur

Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2011 5:47 am UTC
by Neodymium_Modem
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Alt-text: "Our brains have just one scale, and we resize our experiences to fit."

Re: 0915: "Connoisseur"

Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2011 5:54 am UTC
by pbnjstowell
(Quotation marks... you forgot them.)

How do we know it's not Miracle Whip?

Re: 0915: "Connoisseur"

Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2011 5:58 am UTC
by Neodymium_Modem
pbnjstowell wrote:How do we know it's not Miracle Whip?


Miracle Whip is much more oily than mayo when it's thinned.

Re: 0915: Connoisseur

Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2011 6:00 am UTC
by Tyrannosaur
Is it weird that I would look at 500 stills of JB eating a sandwich? Although I would rather the Justin Bieber JB stills for sure.

Re: 0915: Connoisseur

Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2011 6:04 am UTC
by uewebawo
the GIS for Canadian Surrealist Porn was disappointingly tame... or i'm hilariously jaded.

Re: 0915: Connoisseur

Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2011 6:10 am UTC
by jalohones
uewebawo wrote:the GIS for Canadian Surrealist Porn was disappointingly tame... or i'm hilariously jaded.


And the search for Joe Biden eating a sandwich only gave me one palpable hit.

Re: 0915: Connoisseur

Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2011 6:23 am UTC
by Ocker3
jalohones wrote:
uewebawo wrote:the GIS for Canadian Surrealist Porn was disappointingly tame... or i'm hilariously jaded.


And the search for Joe Biden eating a sandwich only gave me one palpable hit.


How do you inject a JB-sanger photo?

Re: 0915: Connoisseur

Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2011 6:40 am UTC
by glasnt
This type of thinking has ruined coffee for me.

And poached eggs on toast.

Can't have any of the el cheapo crap anymore :(

Re: 0915: Connoisseur

Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2011 6:43 am UTC
by Randomizer
I think Randall just compared XKCD to pictures of a man eating a sandwich, and the people of the forums discussing his comic to those stuck in a box talking about said sandwich-pictures.

At least, that's my interpretation. "And if you'll notice, that unlike in his set of Wikipedia comics, in this comic he... (etc., etc.)"

Re: 0915: Connoisseur

Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2011 6:44 am UTC
by Stanistani
Mayonnaise all tastes the same to me.

Even though there's an entire world of gourmet mayo out there.

Re: 0915: Connoisseur

Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2011 6:55 am UTC
by Soma
Stanistani wrote:Mayonnaise all tastes the same to me.

Even though there's an entire world of gourmet mayo out there.


The trick is to taste them all!

The comic is spot on and personally i think it is a good thing it describes.

Re: 0915: Connoisseur

Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2011 6:57 am UTC
by americablanco
Find this funny because I somehow related it to Schrödinger's cat when the box was mentioned.

Are they really looking at pictures in the box or only realizing them to fit their experience?

Re: 0915: Connoisseur

Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2011 7:00 am UTC
by Veracity01
Wow, this has been bothering me for years. It's funny how people scoff at you when you don't know something about their random interest.

It is almost like collecting mania but instead of actually collecting something, they collect facts about the topic.

Examples of this:
- Music
- Sports
- Politics
- Philosophy (Pff, have you never heard of the second coming by mister Not so Famous Philosopher?)
- Art

Re: 0915: Connoisseur

Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2011 7:11 am UTC
by Otto
Beer is much more diverse and palette enriching than wine.

#justsaying

Re: 0915: Connoisseur

Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2011 7:15 am UTC
by Game_boy
The 'one scale's length does vary between people though. The best possible piece of music to each of persons A and B will still elicit a different magnitude of response.

Re: 0915: Connoisseur

Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2011 7:19 am UTC
by CobaltMouse
Surrealist Canadian porn, 500 pictures of Joe Biden eating a sandwich and two people crammed into a box, and a lovely and truthful comment on how much people often suck in hilarious and innocuous ways. Randall, get out of my head!

Re: 0915: Connoisseur

Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2011 7:37 am UTC
by Kit.
Actually, it's not true of anything. In particular, it's not true for wine. Those snobs that cannot stand cheap wine are those who don't drink enough. Put them into a box with nothing to spend their time on but wine, and by the end of the year they will be able to stand anything alcohol related. Including glass cleaners.

Re: 0915: Connoisseur

Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2011 7:40 am UTC
by shylocxs
This is exactly what it's like to be trained as an art historian. Trust me, I know.

Re: 0915: Connoisseur

Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2011 7:58 am UTC
by Turing Machine
I don't understand taste, so it doesn't exist.

Re: 0915: Connoisseur

Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2011 8:16 am UTC
by FCN
Compare:
biden1.jpg
biden1.jpg (21.39 KiB) Viewed 20349 times

biden2.jpg
biden2.jpg (20.02 KiB) Viewed 20348 times

biden3.jpg

biden4.jpg
biden4.jpg (12.46 KiB) Viewed 20348 times

biden5.jpg


Of course there are dramatic aesthetic differences.

Re: 0915: Connoisseur

Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2011 8:37 am UTC
by Fougare
I'm assuming slightly related to the current facebook "spam-link" that says that Joe Biden gets to eat sandwiches with the president on fridays, but that's all he gets, for 5 bucks donated to a random .co website you have a chance to eat DINNER with the president.

On topic: this happened to me with coffee, I used to think all coffee's were created equal (from doughnut shop to 7-11 to starbucks) though I am able to suppress the snobbishness connoisseurism to be able to drink any coffee because I have given up on anyone else's coffee and know that the one I make at home is superior to anything else. Besides, I enjoy caffeine in any form, so I can't afford to be too picky outside of my fresh black-self-roasted-self-ground-french-press coffee drank within 6 minutes in a bodum double layer glass cup for perfect temperature...

Re: 0915: Connoisseur

Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2011 8:41 am UTC
by Randomizer
So, what are we comparing in determining which picture is better? Our overall sense of "this picture looks nicer than that one" (which has nothing to do with the sandwich or Biden at all) or are we looking at it from a more, um artsy-type approach? Because the first picture is definitely the best as far as simple aesthetics. Number three follows the Biden-sandwich theme the most closely, four has it's merits in the sandwich-diner combo, five, with Obama, is overshadowed by the presence of a celebrity which makes its artistic content harder to objectively judge, and I'm not sure what to say about number two, I mean there's definitely a sandwich there, but beyond that...

Also, we needed 500 images, not 5.

Re: 0915: Connoisseur

Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2011 8:43 am UTC
by Plasma Mongoose
Stanistani wrote:Mayonnaise all tastes the same to me.

Even though there's an entire world of gourmet mayo out there.


From my prospective, all mayonnaise might as well be made out of ipecac as I react the same way no matter what brand it was.

Also, all wine = rotten grapejuice to me.

Re: 0915: Connoisseur

Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2011 9:45 am UTC
by Gammew
Is White Hat Guy a new character?

Re: 0915: Connoisseur

Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2011 9:50 am UTC
by Fixblor
Alt-text wrote:Our brains have just one scale, and we resize our experiences to fit.


Any scale is relative to the items that are being measured; by a logical extension, every comparison is relative.
And of course perception is adaptive to the observed.

Biometrological Adaptivity Experiment:
Stare into the hollow of a tree, wearing a brimmed hat on a cloudless day, for a few minutes. Then look at the sun.

How long does the resizing of your pupils take to fit the experience?
Spoiler:
Don't stare at the sun.

How long does it take for the experience to resize and fit your brain?
Spoiler:
It doesn't, if you knew the first answer before the experiment began; unless you suffer from solar delusions.

Re: 0915: Connoisseur

Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2011 10:16 am UTC
by Spiny Norman
Fixblor wrote:
Alt-text wrote:Our brains have just one scale, and we resize our experiences to fit.


Any scale is relative to the items that are being measured; by a logical extension, every comparison is relative.
And of course perception is adaptive to the observed.

Biometrological Adaptivity Experiment:
Stare into the hollow of a tree, wearing a brimmed hat on a cloudless day, for a few minutes. Then look at the sun.

How long does the resizing of your pupils take to fit the experience?
Spoiler:
Don't stare at the sun.

How long does it take for the experience to resize and fit your brain?
Spoiler:
It doesn't, if you knew the first answer before the experiment began; unless you suffer from solar delusions.

You know why this is not the same, so I don't need to say it, right?

Speaking of scale, or off the scale, can I interest anyone in a lovely Paul Ross Canvas? It's got great reviews!

Re: 0915: Connoisseur

Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2011 10:43 am UTC
by Fixblor
Spiny Norman wrote:You know why this is not the same, so I don't need to say it, right?

Taking 'comparative studies' literally here ... everything's relative.
"Need" is subjective and thus questionable.
Therefore, you were right to say what you said.

Unless you're being facetious, in which case you're doubly right.

Re: 0915: Connoisseur

Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2011 10:49 am UTC
by Beardhammer
Otto wrote:Beer is much more diverse and palette enriching than wine.

#justsaying


Considering all wine is vile and overpriced, I absolutely agree.

Re: 0915: Connoisseur

Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2011 11:21 am UTC
by JPatten
FCN wrote:Compare:

Of course there are dramatic aesthetic differences.



Now I would have to say #3 is the best, the crop is a bit tight too tight but allows for good detail.
Number two would be good if the blurry foreground guy wasn't there. Ti think it could also benefit from a bit less Depth of field and blurring in the background to separate Biden from the people behind him. He risks blending into the suits.

I would have to agree that Obama in number 5 overwhelms Biden the sandwhich completely while number four just seems bland.

Re: 0915: Connoisseur

Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2011 11:33 am UTC
by mjfgates
O gods, Rule 34.

One of these days, I'm going to have to make up a huge collage of throbbing-body-part images, just so I have a fast and easy way to 34-ize any picture I feel the... need... to. Joe Biden... eating a sandwich. Oh yeah.

Re: 0915: Connoisseur

Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2011 11:51 am UTC
by Spiny Norman
Fixblor wrote:
Spiny Norman wrote:You know why this is not the same, so I don't need to say it, right?

Taking 'comparative studies' literally here ... everything's relative.
"Need" is subjective and thus questionable.
Therefore, you were right to say what you said.

Unless you're being facetious, in which case you're doubly right.

Ah yes, "right"... another example of relativity. Right for some, wrong for others.

But if everything is absolutely relative, why do we have a metric system?

Re: 0915: Connoisseur

Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2011 11:52 am UTC
by SirMustapha
Randomizer wrote:I think Randall just compared XKCD to pictures of a man eating a sandwich, and the people of the forums discussing his comic to those stuck in a box talking about said sandwich-pictures.


Nah, I don't think Randall would go there. To me, this comic reeks of self-indulgence: it's like Randall saying people should feel guilty or bad for knowing something more than him. Hat guy made a fair, solid point (if you tasted good wine, you'd start noticing the difference) and Randalltoken guy called him a "snobby connoisseur" and, in the end, was proven right.

But the execution this time around was very good: art is spot on, dialogue is good... he just had to mention Wikipedia there.

Re: 0915: Connoisseur

Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2011 12:00 pm UTC
by radtea
Someone wrote:
I think Randall just compared XKCD to pictures of a man eating a sandwich, and the people of the forums discussing his comic to those stuck in a box talking about said sandwich-pictures.


Not at all... XKCD just happens to be exactly the scale of the human mind!

In fact, the existence of XKCD and the huge variety of Web-based media, strongly suggests that while each mind has a fixed scale, not all minds have the same scale. What fits comfortably into one will rattle around loose or be painfully tight in others.

But given the scale of an individual mind, all experiences will eventually be resized in the best Procrustean fashion, to fit.

Re: 0915: Connoisseur

Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2011 12:18 pm UTC
by Plasma Man
I like the continuity of the wine being sloshed out the glass in the third panel and the puddle being visible on the floor in the next one. I am a little bit of a wine ponce (as my girlfriend calls it), but in my experience all wine tastes good by the time you're drunk enough to be spilling it.
The point raised is interesting, but it's not a simple matter. I used to enjoy drinking lager, and graduated my appreciation scale according to that. Now my tastes have changed and I appreciate bitters and ales more and calibrate my appreciation scale to them, meaning lager is now simply rated in degrees of disgustingness.

Re: 0915: Connoisseur

Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2011 12:19 pm UTC
by dg8672
SirMustapha wrote:Nah, I don't think Randall would go there. To me, this comic reeks of self-indulgence: it's like Randall saying people should feel guilty or bad for knowing something more than him. Hat guy made a fair, solid point (if you tasted good wine, you'd start noticing the difference) and Randalltoken guy called him a "snobby connoisseur" and, in the end, was proven right.



I'll agree with this to a point, but I think it's telling that White Hat Guy was the one who felt the need to push his 'connosseurism' off on the other guy. Token guy was enjoying his wine and White Hat guy decided it was his place to set him straight.

All Randall is saying (I believe) is that everyone has something that they feel this strongly about. For me, its cooking and movies. To some of my friends, its music. Others, books.

We scale our individual minds to change the importance of these things according to our perceptions, and we sometimes cannot understand why someone outside of ourselves cannot see the same level of importance.

In short, we're all geeks about something. Sometimes, our circumstances and environment dictate what we're actually geeks about.

Re: 0915: Connoisseur

Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2011 12:30 pm UTC
by squig
Fixblor wrote:... everything's relative.

Incest is all relative also.

Re: 0915: Connoisseur

Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2011 12:33 pm UTC
by SirMustapha
dg8672 wrote:I'll agree with this to a point, but I think it's telling that White Hat Guy was the one who felt the need to push his 'connosseurism' off on the other guy. Token guy was enjoying his wine and White Hat guy decided it was his place to set him straight.


That is a solid starting point, but the way to comic starts, it suggests something different. Hat guy is holding a glass, so I suppose they're going to share the wine; it's not terribly unreasonable for him to make a commentary about the wine. Besides, cheap wine? That'd be sort of like your friend bringing you in to enjoy his sound system, and then putting on Rebecca Black.

There are more clear, more sensible ways to introduce hat guy as a really snobby connoisseur. The way the comic starts off, it's sort of like Randall doesn't know what a truly snobby person sounds like, and then he goes into a "I DON'T KNOW I DON'T CARE ABOUT NOTHING LEAVE ME ALONE" when you merely suggest him something different.

Re: 0915: Connoisseur

Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2011 12:33 pm UTC
by Spiny Norman
squig wrote:
Fixblor wrote:... everything's relative.

Incest is all relative also.

Keep it in the family, that's what some would say.

Re: 0915: Connoisseur

Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2011 12:35 pm UTC
by Spiny Norman
radtea wrote:Not at all... XKCD just happens to be exactly the scale of the human mind!

Do you know Douglas Adams' puddle analogy?
Douglas Adams wrote:Imagine a puddle waking up one morning and thinking, "This is an interesting world I find myself in — an interesting hole I find myself in — fits me rather neatly, doesn't it? In fact it fits me staggeringly well, must have been made to have me in it!"

Re: 0915: Connoisseur

Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2011 12:46 pm UTC
by biodomino
Perhaps this is just the low-hanging fruit, but I took it as a reference to the fact that wine connoisseurship is mostly bunk. A number of studies have demonstrated that supposed wine experts cannot distinguish between basic information such as the origins of wines. Apparently it's more an opportunity to revel in snobbery about a predominantly subjective experience, like one might do with literature or art, except without so much prerequisite knowledge and skills for discernment.