0923: "Strunk and White"

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Re: 0923: "Strunk and White"

Postby functoruser » Mon Jul 11, 2011 2:17 pm UTC

Speaking of Geoffrey Pullum, Language Log posted about this comic this morning. This comment provides some awesome Strunk/White:
http://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=3260#comment-128963

By the way, another great refutation of Strunk & White by Geoffrey Pullum is this article:
http://www.lel.ed.ac.uk/~gpullum/LandOfTheFree.pdf
This article is very detailed, and illustrates that Pullum's objections are not just stylistic.

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Re: 0923: "Strunk and White"

Postby Sgore » Mon Jul 11, 2011 3:46 pm UTC

And a good refutation of Pullum's article refuting Stunk and White is here: http://mleddy.blogspot.com/2009/04/pull ... white.html
And I'm sure if you were to look hard enough, you could find an article refuting that refutation of the refutation.
And here's a New York Times article about a French Dramatist who thoroughly slammed Shakespeare's playwriting abilities:
http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-fr ... 5B848DF1D3
And here's an article slamming Jane Austin: http://open.salon.com/blog/randomidioci ... _overrated
And just for fun, here's a small poll from 2007 that someone put up with the assertion that Isaac Asimov is "predictable and formulaic" as a writer: http://jyte.com/cl/isaac-asimov-is-overrated

My point isn't to dismiss any of the criticisms yours or any other articles bring up, but to point out how easy it is to target the well-known and well-celebrated writers as being so wrongly well-regarded. There's a whole field of essayists and critics willing to tell you why the most esteemed authors in the field of English literature and advisement deserve less praise then a person who scoops up a cold lump of black ink and tosses it at a canvass, calling the result the great American novel. That doesn't mean Pullum's words are undeserving of examination in their own right, just that such criticism of what are usually considered classic works isn't entirely unique. If you feel Pullum's points are valid and persuasive enough to keep you from ever trusting the advice of Strunk and White again, then by all means, feel free not to consult their book. Writing is a much more personally subjective process than most style guides make it out to be. I, personally, enjoy The Elements Of Style, because I feel the advice it contains has been helpful to me as a writer. I feel my sentences are clearer and stronger because of its suggestions. I hope they are, at least. I don't follow its guidelines religiously, but I've always considered it helpful for writing simple, unpretentious text that communicates what I'm trying to say in the most effective way possible. I absolutely respect that you feel differently, and I hope that my comments are not seen as hostile or impolite. You just seemed particularly adamant about the lack of valuable advice in that book, and I thought the conversation might benefit from someone who disagrees.
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Re: 0923: "Strunk and White"

Postby rcox1 » Mon Jul 11, 2011 3:55 pm UTC

japes wrote:For anyone thinks that Strunk and White give good grammar advice (as the alt text suggests), this: http://chronicle.com/article/50-Years-o ... mmar/25497 is a good read (written by someone who actually knows what they're talking about).

(Sorry for the lack of proper link -- I assume that I'm disallowed from posting links as a new member)


Strunk&White has little to with grammer and form. It has everything to do with how things are written as to maximize the congruence to the authors intention.

Here is why S&W matters. Style is very subjective. Yet in freshman english composition classes one is graded on style. This is not being graded on verb/subject agreement or spelling, which has a wide consensus. This is grading on how well the student communicates unambiguously. By standardizing on a style guide, such as S&W, schools can enforce a certain rules which tends to maximize clarity. The upshot of this is that if the students writes awkwardly, or ambiguously, or atrociously, credit can be denied as the rules have been clearly stated in a well known and accepted volume.

Again, style is subjectives and the wonks will argue over it all day. Where style is important, such as a newspaper, they will have a style guide to enforce their particular regulations. The only judgement of the guide can be if when one reads the prose, is the meaning singular and clear. Therefore there are potentially many valid style guides, S&W bu acclimation being one in said group. Most of the time when I hear people complain about it, it is like the scene out of Good Will Hunting, a bunch of college freshmen trying to show off their new found knowledge. It is clear is newly found because it lacks context.

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Re: 0923: "Strunk and White"

Postby BrianX » Mon Jul 11, 2011 3:56 pm UTC

kryton wrote:According to the urban dictionary online:
strunk = being stoned and drunk at the same time.


But isn't that more likely to make you turn red rather than white?

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Re: 0923: "Strunk and White"

Postby Cosmologicon » Mon Jul 11, 2011 4:08 pm UTC

Sgore wrote:And a good refutation of Pullum's article refuting Stunk and White is here: http://mleddy.blogspot.com/2009/04/pull ... white.html

Ah thanks for posting that. After reading Pullum's article, I thought surely I would have noticed if Strunk and White had misidentified a sentence as using the passive voice. It was going to drive me crazy until I could get home to check my copy. I'm glad your link explains that Pullum had just misread that section. Now I can rest easy. :)

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Re: 0923: "Strunk and White"

Postby darkwing0o0rama » Mon Jul 11, 2011 4:36 pm UTC

Conjugate me, baby.

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Re: 0923: "Strunk and White"

Postby rhomboidal » Mon Jul 11, 2011 4:45 pm UTC

It's a matter of taste whether "Strunk" is considered aesthetically erotic or just pornographic.

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Re: 0923: "Strunk and White"

Postby Michael Leddy » Mon Jul 11, 2011 4:51 pm UTC

And I'm sure if you were to look hard enough, you could find an article refuting that refutation of the refutation.

Pullum has replied (in the comments on my post) -- each reader can decide what to make of the argument.

There are many reasons to criticize The Elements of Style, but such criticism should respect what the book in fact says. Pullum has also claimed (at least twice) that Strunk and White prohibit the use of adjectives and adverbs altogether. Reading The Elements makes clear that that claim is simply false.

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Re: 0923: "Strunk and White"

Postby jc » Mon Jul 11, 2011 5:01 pm UTC

memcginn wrote:Wait...there's fanfiction for this? Who the hell writes "fanfiction" about what appears to be an English textbook? And what could the purpose and plot possibly be?


Of course it should exist. There's an old joke about what sort of woman makes the best mistress/lover. It goes through a bunch of possibilities, and ends with the claim that the very best is an English teacher, because she makes you keep trying until you get it right.

(Hey, I didn't say it was a good joke. ;-)

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Re: 0923: "Strunk and White"

Postby bmonk » Mon Jul 11, 2011 5:13 pm UTC

McHell wrote:Well-written? I doubt it. Yes, technically flawless, but probably bloodless and unreadable; like the inverse of a JK Rowling thing.

There won't be any split infinitives, but /why/ not --- just because Shakespeare abhorred them, a lot of people now claim it's a crime to use them?

To unnecessarily split an infinitive just sounds odd.
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Re: 0923: "Strunk and White"

Postby neoliminal » Mon Jul 11, 2011 5:37 pm UTC

"Omit needless words." - Strunk/White
"Omit needless words." - Krug
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Re: 0923: "Strunk and White"

Postby addams » Mon Jul 11, 2011 8:30 pm UTC

Fixblor wrote:
japes wrote:(Sorry for the lack of proper link -- I assume that I'm disallowed from posting links as a new member)

Here you go:
Some valid link from a forum noob
That's as big as I could make it without turning it into a run-on sentence

Fun, link. I feel better about my difficulties with Strunk and White. I will not throw away my copy.
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Re: 0923: "Strunk and White"

Postby goofy » Mon Jul 11, 2011 8:34 pm UTC

Cosmologicon wrote:
Sgore wrote:And a good refutation of Pullum's article refuting Stunk and White is here: http://mleddy.blogspot.com/2009/04/pull ... white.html

Ah thanks for posting that. After reading Pullum's article, I thought surely I would have noticed if Strunk and White had misidentified a sentence as using the passive voice. It was going to drive me crazy until I could get home to check my copy. I'm glad your link explains that Pullum had just misread that section. Now I can rest easy. :)


In the comments to that post you can see a reply by Pullum indicating that he did not misread it.

McHell wrote:There won't be any split infinitives, but /why/ not --- just because Shakespeare abhorred them, a lot of people now claim it's a crime to use them?


Dryden, not Shakespeare, but yes.

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Re: 0923: "Strunk and White"

Postby JordanL » Mon Jul 11, 2011 8:46 pm UTC

How appropriate... I'm just launching (to the general public) a tool that lets people skip over the shite of fanfiction, straight to the good stuff using hueristics and backlinks.

There's a huge demand for timesaving tools in this part of user generated content. (The tool I built is free, and only works with fanfiction.net right now...)

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Re: 0923: "Strunk and White"

Postby Cosmologicon » Mon Jul 11, 2011 9:12 pm UTC

goofy wrote:
Cosmologicon wrote:After reading Pullum's article, I thought surely I would have noticed if Strunk and White had misidentified a sentence as using the passive voice. It was going to drive me crazy until I could get home to check my copy. I'm glad your link explains that Pullum had just misread that section. Now I can rest easy. :)
In the comments to that post you can see a reply by Pullum indicating that he did not misread it.

Yeah thanks, I read his comment. The fact is that Strunk & White in no way claim that those sentences use the passive voice. In the comment, Pullum comes up with an explanation of how he inferred that they did in fact suggest it. His logic is (IMHO) really shaky, especially where he suggests that if a verb is not "transitive in the active voice", it must be in the passive voice, which is clearly wrong.

He says that even if he did misread it, it's still a bad section because "dozens of writing instructors" have misread it the same way. Maybe that's true, but the fact is that it's a misreading.

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Re: 0923: "Strunk and White"

Postby goofy » Mon Jul 11, 2011 9:26 pm UTC

Cosmologicon wrote:Yeah thanks, I read his comment. The fact is that Strunk & White in no way claim that those sentences use the passive voice. In the comment, Pullum comes up with an explanation of how he inferred that they did in fact suggest it. His logic is (IMHO) really shaky, especially where he suggests that if a verb is not "transitive in the active voice", it must be in the passive voice, which is clearly wrong.


He doesn't say that if a verb is not a transitive in the active voice, it must be in the passive voice. He is saying that Strunk and White think that if a verb is not a transitive in the active voice, it must be in the passive voice.

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Re: 0923: "Strunk and White"

Postby PFD Studio » Mon Jul 11, 2011 9:30 pm UTC

Shouldn't that be "Strunk's & White's Elements of Style"?

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Re: 0923: "Strunk and White"

Postby Cosmologicon » Mon Jul 11, 2011 9:43 pm UTC

goofy wrote:
Cosmologicon wrote:Yeah thanks, I read his comment. The fact is that Strunk & White in no way claim that those sentences use the passive voice. In the comment, Pullum comes up with an explanation of how he inferred that they did in fact suggest it. His logic is (IMHO) really shaky, especially where he suggests that if a verb is not "transitive in the active voice", it must be in the passive voice, which is clearly wrong.

He doesn't say that if a verb is not a transitive in the active voice, it must be in the passive voice. He is saying that Strunk and White think that if a verb is not a transitive in the active voice, it must be in the passive voice.

I see what you're saying, but I still think I'm right about it. Here's what he says. I'll leave it at that, since this is getting a bit convoluted.
S&W are talking about "substituting a transitive in the active voice" for the examples that they give in the left hand column. The only clauses that are not in the active voice are the ones in the passive voice. The two terms form a binary system: the voice of a clause is active or passive. No third choice.

Anyway, I only posted because I was surprised that I had missed someone mistaking the voice of a clause. I'm satisfied now that I didn't miss it. That's all I was saying. I'm not trying to defend Strunk and White (although I might do that in another thread).

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Re: 0923: "Strunk and White"

Postby addams » Mon Jul 11, 2011 9:45 pm UTC

PFD Studio wrote:Shouldn't that be "Strunk's & White's Elements of Style"?

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Re: 0923: "Strunk and White"

Postby Eternal Density » Tue Jul 12, 2011 12:14 am UTC

Once upon a time I used
To mispell
To sometimes split infinitives
To get words of out order
To punctuate, -badly
To confused my tenses
To deem old words wondrous fair
to ignore capitals
To employ common or garden clich6s
To miss the occasional out
To indulge in tautological repetitive statements
To exaggerate hundreds of times a day
And to repeat puns quite by chants.
But worst of all I used to forget to finish what I
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Re: 0923: "Strunk and White"

Postby novium » Tue Jul 12, 2011 3:51 am UTC

JordanL wrote:How appropriate... I'm just launching (to the general public) a tool that lets people skip over the shite of fanfiction, straight to the good stuff using hueristics and backlinks.

There's a huge demand for timesaving tools in this part of user generated content. (The tool I built is free, and only works with fanfiction.net right now...)



A noble effort, but isn't it kind of wasted on the pit?

ETA: Found it, I think. Actually, it seems like a pretty cool project, from the look of it.
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Re: 0923: "Strunk and White"

Postby jpk » Tue Jul 12, 2011 4:08 am UTC

JordanL wrote:How appropriate... I'm just launching (to the general public) a tool that lets people skip over the shite of fanfiction, straight to the good stuff using hueristics and backlinks.



This is one of those "world's shortest book" jokes, isn't it? "The Best Bits of Fan Fiction"... cut to crickets.

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Re: 0923: "Strunk and White"

Postby FunkyFlower7 » Tue Jul 12, 2011 4:51 am UTC

Inspired by this comic I've written my own Strunk/White fanfiction.

It can be found by googling: 'strunk', 'white' and 'blimple' (my main online identity) and is called 'Elements of Style' (obviously).

As a new member I can't link straight to it, presumably because I could be a spam bot of some description, but if someone else likes it and wants to share it here please do.

Also... hi.

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Re: 0923: "Strunk and White"

Postby ManaUser » Tue Jul 12, 2011 5:27 am UTC

memcginn wrote:Wait...there's fanfiction for this? Who the hell writes "fanfiction" about what appears to be an English textbook? And what could the purpose and plot possibly be?

It wouldn't be fan fiction about the book, it would be about the authors. And since it's slash fiction, no plot is required.

And yes, there is fan fiction* about real people — more often actors and singers and such but I'm sure there are exceptions. And yes it's as creepy as it sounds. Though I'm not quite sure if it's more or less so when the people in question are dead.

*To my mind this stretches the usual meaning of the term a bit, but it's still commonly put in the same category.

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Re: 0923: "Strunk and White"

Postby JordanL » Tue Jul 12, 2011 5:30 am UTC

Yeah, you found it. I didn't want to post the link for fear of being accused of astroturfing or advertising or whatever.

Mostly, yes, fanfiction is terrible writing which hides the extent of creativity 12-16 year olds are capable of when not directed by a teacher. But some authors are simply amateur novellists that have no motivation or drive to deal with the publication process. Some of them are really remarkable pieces of work written in the most unlikely of places, such as KyLewin who authors Naruto fanfiction, but is a very capable author. Most fandoms have at least one or two authors that are essentially professional authors that never turned it into a profession.

As you might imagine, finding THOSE stories, or the emerging novelists of any particular fandom, is like looking for a needle in a haystack. It was a frustration that led me to read fanfiction less and less as I grew older, but I eventually thought of how interesting of a programming project it would be to try and automate that problem. In the process I found that it was actually very easy to predict what groups of stories belonged together from nothing but what groups of stories had been favorited together.

Turns out there are enough fanfiction readers that even though many different tastes may be represented in a single story, the uniqueness of co-adjacent stories could be preserved across the general list of users. That meant that it was simple math to score the results and return something useful.

That also meant that I could give the desired results to a 14 year old interested in the vastness of fanfiction, as well as someone with very particular tastes.

All of that is to say that the general poor quality of fanfiction made the problem of building the tool that much more interesting. I think the results worked well for what it's supposed to be.

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Re: 0923: "Strunk and White"

Postby neoliminal » Tue Jul 12, 2011 12:19 pm UTC

Eternal Density wrote:Once upon a time I used
To mispell
To sometimes split infinitives
To get words of out order
To punctuate, -badly
To confused my tenses
To deem old words wondrous fair
to ignore capitals
To employ common or garden clich6s
To miss the occasional out
To indulge in tautological repetitive statements
To exaggerate hundreds of times a day
And to repeat puns quite by chants.
But worst of all I used to forget to finish what I


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Re: 0923: "Strunk and White"

Postby AvatarIII » Tue Jul 12, 2011 1:44 pm UTC

JordanL wrote:How appropriate... I'm just launching (to the general public) a tool that lets people skip over the shite of fanfiction, straight to the good stuff using hueristics and backlinks.

There's a huge demand for timesaving tools in this part of user generated content. (The tool I built is free, and only works with fanfiction.net right now...)


sounds interesting, but i don't need a tool to prevent me going to fanfiction.net, i just don't type it into the address bar.

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Re: 0923: "Strunk and White"

Postby arbivark » Tue Jul 12, 2011 2:18 pm UTC

I'm a fan of google, but one beef i have with their search engine is that it doesn't distinguish punctuation, so it treats strunk/white as strunkwhite, which is something else entirely.


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edit: i dare somebody to go to /y/ at 4chan, take any old yaoi, relabel it strunk/white, and start a thread.

this http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Lemon about lemons was somewhat informative.

if anybody still needs the comic explained, my take is that what makes it funny is that strunk/white fanfic is wildly implausible (with a hint that they've been bickering about the vocabulary and punctuation of the term for the genre.)

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Re: 0923: "Strunk and White"

Postby Роберт » Tue Jul 12, 2011 5:26 pm UTC

neoliminal wrote:
Eternal Density wrote:Once upon a time I used
To mispell
To sometimes split infinitives
To get words of out order
To punctuate, -badly
To confused my tenses
To deem old words wondrous fair
to ignore capitals
To employ common or garden clich6s
To miss the occasional out
To indulge in tautological repetitive statements
To exaggerate hundreds of times a day
And to repeat puns quite by chants.
But worst of all I used to forget to finish what I


Actually, you still do this one.

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Re: 0923: "Strunk and White"

Postby JordanL » Tue Jul 12, 2011 5:27 pm UTC

sounds interesting, but i don't need a tool to prevent me going to fanfiction.net, i just don't type it into the address bar.


Good for you? In the mean time, I've used software to solve a problem of too much noise data for a large segment of people that hopefully makes them more productive at the things they choose to do... so...

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Re: 0923: "Strunk and White"

Postby bmonk » Tue Jul 12, 2011 8:23 pm UTC

From "The Elements of Style" by Strunk and White:  "The subject of a sentence and the principal verb should not, as a rule, be separated by a phrase or clause that can be transferred to the beginning."

A few bonuses:
Never utilize an enormous, pseudoerudite word when a diminutive one would suffice.

Eschew polysyllabic profundity. Additionally and equally, eschew categorical sesquipedalian obfuscation.

Sentences. Monoword? Eliminate.

Neowords are avoidful monstrousnessessities. Notuse them.

And, my favorite:
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Re: 0923: "Strunk and White"

Postby cathrl » Tue Jul 12, 2011 9:58 pm UTC

novium wrote:
JordanL wrote:How appropriate... I'm just launching (to the general public) a tool that lets people skip over the shite of fanfiction, straight to the good stuff using hueristics and backlinks.

There's a huge demand for timesaving tools in this part of user generated content. (The tool I built is free, and only works with fanfiction.net right now...)



A noble effort, but isn't it kind of wasted on the pit?

ETA: Found it, I think. Actually, it seems like a pretty cool project, from the look of it.


I can't find it, and would like to. Helpful Google terms, if you're not happy to post a link?

And, surprise surprise, the "let's bash everyone who's ever written fanfic" kiddies are out. Some of us can actually, you know, write?

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Re: 0923: "Strunk and White"

Postby JordanL » Tue Jul 12, 2011 10:06 pm UTC

The link, if it is appropriate to post it, is http://www.fanfictionrecs.net/

In the event that the link is removed (which I understand) searching google for "fanfiction recommendation engine" returns the site as the first result.

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Re: 0923: "Strunk and White"

Postby addams » Wed Jul 13, 2011 1:09 am UTC

bmonk wrote:From "The Elements of Style" by Strunk and White:  "The subject of a sentence and the principal verb should not, as a rule, be separated by a phrase or clause that can be transferred to the beginning."

A few bonuses:
Never utilize an enormous, pseudoerudite word when a diminutive one would suffice.

Eschew polysyllabic profundity. Additionally and equally, eschew categorical sesquipedalian obfuscation.

Sentences. Monoword? Eliminate.

Neowords are avoidful monstrousnessessities. Notuse them.

And, my favorite:
Never go off on tangents, which are lines that intersect a curve at only one point and were discovered by Euclid, who lived in the sixth century, which was an era dominated by the Scyths, who lived in what we now know as the Ukraine, but later the Goths lived there, who invaded the Roman Empire and plundered Rome, which is a very nice city to visit with many churches full of art like the Pieta, which was carved by Michelangelo, whose name means “Michael the Angel”, who is actually not an artist but an archangel with a feast day on September 29, which is a good day to have a picnic with your girlfriend--who wishes you would just avoid tangents and stick to the point.


Very nice. You are funny.
Your strange wit is like the light of a lighthouse.
Life is, just, an exchange of electrons; It is up to us to give it meaning.

We are all in The Gutter.
Some of us see The Gutter.
Some of us see The Stars.
by mr. Oscar Wilde.

Those that want to Know; Know.
Those that do not Know; Don't tell them.
They do terrible things to people that Tell Them.

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Re: 0923: "Strunk and White"

Postby novium » Wed Jul 13, 2011 3:41 am UTC

cathrl wrote:And, surprise surprise, the "let's bash everyone who's ever written fanfic" kiddies are out. Some of us can actually, you know, write?


Oh, I know. But they're a very small minority on fanfiction.net, which does often seem to be mostly kids. If we were talking livejournal or AO3, maybe...

Farabor
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Re: 0923: "Strunk and White"

Postby Farabor » Wed Jul 13, 2011 4:00 am UTC

On another stylistic question about the comic...

When addressing a letter to "Internet", is "Dear" really the most appropriate salutation? Discuss!

jpk
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Re: 0923: "Strunk and White"

Postby jpk » Wed Jul 13, 2011 4:26 am UTC

JordanL wrote:
sounds interesting, but i don't need a tool to prevent me going to fanfiction.net, i just don't type it into the address bar.


Good for you? In the mean time, I've used software to solve a problem of too much noise data for a large segment of people that hopefully makes them more productive at the things they choose to do... so...


So you've reinvented the site-blocking facility? Okay, I can see that as useful, but not very useful.

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Re: 0923: "Strunk and White"

Postby jpk » Wed Jul 13, 2011 4:27 am UTC

cathrl wrote:
novium wrote:
JordanL wrote:How appropriate... I'm just launching (to the general public) a tool that lets people skip over the shite of fanfiction, straight to the good stuff using hueristics and backlinks.

There's a huge demand for timesaving tools in this part of user generated content. (The tool I built is free, and only works with fanfiction.net right now...)



A noble effort, but isn't it kind of wasted on the pit?

ETA: Found it, I think. Actually, it seems like a pretty cool project, from the look of it.


I can't find it, and would like to. Helpful Google terms, if you're not happy to post a link?

And, surprise surprise, the "let's bash everyone who's ever written fanfic" kiddies are out. Some of us can actually, you know, write?


And if any of those folks would post something, maybe we'd get somewhere...

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Re: 0923: "Strunk and White"

Postby Turing Machine » Wed Jul 13, 2011 4:29 am UTC

Someone smoking a pipe indoors? Wouldn't he be summarily executed by the public health Gestapo?

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Re: 0923: "Strunk and White"

Postby Uno » Wed Jul 13, 2011 8:26 am UTC

bmonk wrote:Eschew polysyllabic profundity. Additionally and equally, eschew categorical sesquipedalian obfuscation.


*fap fap fap*


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