0992: "Mnemonics"

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Re: 0992: "Mnemonics"

Postby rainspeaker » Mon Dec 19, 2011 6:51 pm UTC

Deenreka wrote:
Yoduh wrote:
Deenreka wrote:10 - 5 + 2 would equal 7 no matter what order you do it in. If you add 5 + 2 to get 7 then subtract that from ten, you've added in a bracket, changing the problem to 10 - (5+2). As long as the numbers keep their signs attached, adding and subtracting can be down in any order, left to right (I.E. -5 + 2 = -3, 10 - 3 = 7).


a sign outside a bracket is applied to each number within, such as -(5x+7) = -5x-7. In the case of 10 - (5+2) it becomes 10 - 5 - 2, which performed left to right = 3. Which is also the answer you would expect from following BODMAS since you've introduced brackets, 10 - (7). So yes it does matter what order you perform DM/AS when there are no brackets to specify (a practice which should be avoided anyways).


Order wouldn't matter, because by adding 5 and 2 without keeping the negative sign attached to the five, you have added in brackets. Order doesn't matter when you keep signs attached. The mistake in adding 5 and 2, then subtracting that from 10 comes from separating the sign from the number. To put my argument into phrase, there is no subtraction, only addition of negative numbers (Also follows from this that there is no division, only multiplication of fractions). Therefore, BODMAS should be BOMA.


Yeah, what Deenreka said is correct. So to show the multiplication/division side of things, it works like this:

xorsyst wrote:10 ÷ 5 * 2 is 4, not 1, because D happens before M.


That is not why it equals 4. It equals 4 because the expression is actually shorthand for:

10 * (5^-1) * 2
or
10 * (1/5) * 2
Whenever there's a division sign, it's shorthand for "multiply by the reciprocal of the immediately following term".
A - B = A + (-1)B

This has sort of already been said but I wanted to put it in simple terms and it's been bugging me while I read this whole argument.

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Re: 0992: "Mnemonics"

Postby vector010 » Mon Dec 19, 2011 6:55 pm UTC

xorsyst wrote:
bassjohn wrote:
AvatarIII wrote:
bassjohn wrote:I hate to be a pedant (but then this IS XKCD), but none of the mnemonics for oreders of operations actually work.

The order is PEDMAS (or BODMAS for British readers {brackets, orders, divide, multipy, add, subtract}).

All of the mnemonics in the strip read as PEMDAS - multiply and divide have been switched.



M and D are interchangeable because division is the same function as multiplication, division by 2 is exactly the same function as multiplication by 0.5 for example.


Yeah ... but ... OK I'm a fool :oops:


No, you're not:

10 ÷ 5 * 2 is 4, not 1, because D happens before M.


It is PE(MD)(AS) in order of appearance in the equation from left to right for functions in the same group. At least that is what they teach here. Of course you don't have to worry about doing it left to right if you do division before multiplication, so to each their own.

Personally mnemonics never worked for me. Why try to memorize two things when you can just memorize one? I remember PEMDAS by thinking "Parenthesis, Exponents, Multiplication and Division, Addition and Subtraction". Then when I remember PEMDAS I have to try to remember what each one stands for in the mnemonic to remember the mnemonic. Eh, brains are wired differently for different people.

Although I do remember the resistor code by this: "Black, what the hell, Rainbow, not silver, White". :P

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Re: 0992: "Mnemonics"

Postby lingomaniac88 » Mon Dec 19, 2011 6:57 pm UTC

I don't really use a mnemonic for resistor color codes. They don't really need one, since I find it easy to remember on its own:

Black, brown, rainbow, gray, white.

Although once you've been around resistors long enough, you know how to do this in your sleep.
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Re: 0992: "Mnemonics"

Postby Tormuse » Mon Dec 19, 2011 7:03 pm UTC

When I was training to become an RMT, some members of my class independently came up with a mnemonic for pain assessment questions:

Orgasms Frequently Occur During Love/Play. Queer Inmates Attempt To Attack Everyone Anally.

for

Origin
Frequency
Onset
Duration
Location
Pattern
Quality
Intensity
Alleviating and
Triggering phenomena
Associated manifestations
Effects on activities of daily living
Anything else you want to tell me about your pain
I'm not really that patriotic... really!

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Re: 0992: "Mnemonics"

Postby Alex-J » Mon Dec 19, 2011 7:08 pm UTC

The only mnemonic I've ever gotten good use out of was made up for our Washington/Northwest geography class. For the tallest peeks in Washington and northern Oregon:
Brad Pitt Runs Angelia Hides.

Baker
Glacier Peek
Rainer
Adams
Hood

(I think Helens was excluded because it wasn't tall enough)

The most entertaining one was for PV=nRT
Pretty Virginia had nice round ... toes

We heard it in an high school Chem course. Most the class got it an laughed, but there were two poor kids who were left out.

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Re: 0992: "Mnemonics"

Postby schreiberg » Mon Dec 19, 2011 7:17 pm UTC

For geologic time, I follow Stephen Jay Gould's review of an imaginary porn film:

Cheap Meat performs passably,
quenching the celibate's jejune thirst.
Portraiture, presented massably,
drowning sorrow, oneness cursed.

Rare pornography, purchased meekly:
O erogeny, paleobscene.

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Re: 0992: "Mnemonics"

Postby DesSidDes » Mon Dec 19, 2011 7:25 pm UTC

I'm sorry, this is probably going to sound incredibly ignorant, but in what high school class do you have to learn the Resistor Color Codes? That seems like the biggest waste of time.

Also my favorite, for remembering the Kreb's Cycle:

Can I Actually Sell Sex For Money Officer?

Citrate, Isocitrate, alpha-ketoglutarate, Succinyl-CoA, Succinate, Fumarate, Malate, Oxaloacetate

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Re: 0992: "Mnemonics"

Postby keithl » Mon Dec 19, 2011 7:33 pm UTC

Resistor color code from the Society for Women Engineers at the University of Minnesota, circa 1980:

"By Becoming Revolutionary Orators, Young Girls Become Very Great Women"

No tolerance codes, hmm...

And the special mnemonic for 33K ohms was "bumblebee"

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Re: 0992: "Mnemonics"

Postby RogueCynic » Mon Dec 19, 2011 7:37 pm UTC

I went to Catholic schools most of my life. The Taxonomy Mnemonic I learnt from a lay teacher was "King Phillip came over from Germany stoned". I think Randall's devices are easier to remember. For the Great Lakes, I suggest "Heavy Orgasms Make Everyone Smile". Also, If it hasn't been said before, the movie "Johnnie Mnemonic" sucked. Keanu's acting was Ted Logan in a bad mood.
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Re: 0992: "Mnemonics"

Postby thegreenmercenary » Mon Dec 19, 2011 7:40 pm UTC

So, I'm going to be that guy.

Pluto is still a planet. It wasn't 'downgraded' or any such nonsense. The IAU just redid their classification system to be more precise. Instead of everything being called a planet, now there are different classes of planets. Mercury, Venus, Earth, and Mars are terrestrial planets, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, and Neptune are gaseous planets, and Pluto, along with Ceres, Sedna, Eris, and a whole bunch of other crap we're only now discovering, are called dwarf planets.

Saying a dwarf planet isn't a real planet is ridiculous. Is a dwarf human not a human? Is a white dwarf star not a white star? Pluto was simply the first planet discovered in its class, a class which happens to be the most numerous in the solar system, which is pretty dang awesome if you think about it. 'Dwarf Planet' is a sweet honorific if you ask me.

Oh, and the new mnemonics you came up with are really cool, Mr. Munroe. Loved your story in MOD!

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Re: 0992: "Mnemonics"

Postby MrErlo » Mon Dec 19, 2011 7:41 pm UTC

After stalking the forums for many years, I finally needed to sign up for today's toon.

In 9th grade biology I wrote one specifically for our teacher, so we could all remember biological classification.

Kinky Pat Caffey Often "Finds" Gay Studs

To my knowledge, it is still in use today almost 15 years later.

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Re: 0992: "Mnemonics"

Postby Pesto » Mon Dec 19, 2011 7:52 pm UTC

A friend in college came up with a good mnemonic for the musical modes.

Ionian
Dorian
Phrygian
Lydian
Mixolydian
Aeolian

Mnemonic: "I don't particularly like my ass."

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Re: 0992: "Mnemonics"

Postby boradis » Mon Dec 19, 2011 7:52 pm UTC

I composed this one for the geologic periods while I was showering:

Please capture our son Charles. Punish that juvenile cow puncher now.

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Re: 0992: "Mnemonics"

Postby The Old Wolf » Mon Dec 19, 2011 7:56 pm UTC

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Mercury, Venus, Terra, Mars, asteroids, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, Neptune, and Pluto

(With thanks to R.A. Heinlein.)

Image

So there.
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Re: 0992: "Mnemonics"

Postby amarysta » Mon Dec 19, 2011 7:59 pm UTC

Did anyone else learn a mnemonic for the Mohs Hardness Scale? We got:
Texas (talc)
Girls (gypsum)
Can (calcite)
Fight (fluorite)
And (apatite)
Other (orthoclase feldspar)
Queer (quartz)
Things (topaz)
Can (corundum)
Do (diamond)
...it was kinda a bizarre earth science class, but I guess it worked...

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Re: 0992: "Mnemonics"

Postby Bill5 » Mon Dec 19, 2011 8:00 pm UTC

In our first EE lab (at a public engineering university in Indiana), we were taught the resistor color codes:
Better Be Right Or Your Great Big Venture Goes West.
(I've since moved west.)

However, we quickly learned the "real" mnemonic:
**triggery misogyny not found**.
(Being EE students, we all wanted to meet Violet, but never did.)

I see now that Wikipedia (of course) has a whole page on it:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_electronic_color_code_mnemonics
which adds the tolerance bands:
(Get Some Now).
What a great idea!

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Re: 0992: "Mnemonics"

Postby The Anon » Mon Dec 19, 2011 8:06 pm UTC

In the planets strip you're counting Neptune but not Pluto*, I know it's currently fashionable to leave Pluto out in the cold but if you're going to inculde Neptune you have to include Pluto as well. Actually you have to include Eris too, but that's not so well known.

If you don't want to include Pluto (or Eris) as a planet then that's fine, just don't include Neptune as well.

Actually, I'll admit, there is an arguement to be made that Neptune is a planet while Pluto (and Eris) aren't, however the result of that arguement is that Ceres is a planet as well so take your pick.


*Pluto, or Pluto/Charon binary planet, whichever you prefer.

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Re: 0992: "Mnemonics" - Taxonomy

Postby Bill5 » Mon Dec 19, 2011 8:13 pm UTC

For Taxonomy, I've always used
Keep Plugging Class, Or Fail General Science.

It has served me well for many years, including helping my kids with *their* biology homework, and includes both the latent threat, and also "Class" means "class".

On the other hand, there are a lot more kingdoms now than there were then, and now there are sub-orders and super-families and lots of other variations. Everyone now learns that my old three kingdoms were the Eukaryota, and then there's the Prokaryota, and a few more Eukaryota -- and now there are Domains above the Kingdoms. I guess they're just petty kingdoms now. (Is 20 questions now: "Is it an Animal, Vegetable, Mineral, Bacteria, Archaea, Protista, or Fungi?")
So, maybe it's "Do Keep Plugging Class, Or Fail General Science!"

If we have to keep changing the top levels (kingdoms, domains), then it hasn't been well thought through. I still favor animals, planta, and little stuff -- that takes care of it all, permanently. (And just leave fungi as a branch of strange plants, please.)

(And, oddly TaxonomyMnemonic.net has nothing to do with a taxonomy mnemonic.)

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Re: 0992: "Mnemonics"

Postby fearlesstost » Mon Dec 19, 2011 8:18 pm UTC

When my mother and father were in school (back when Pluto was a planet, natch), the mnemonic they came up with for the planets was

Many Violent Enemas May Jam S*** Up Nasal Passages

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Re: 0992: "Mnemonics"

Postby katamariqueen » Mon Dec 19, 2011 8:21 pm UTC

When I was a TA for a Psychology professor, he used to give extra credit to students who'd come up with amusing, original mnemonics for the cranial nerves.

I wish I remembered any of them, because there were some really hilarious ones, but I was always grading them at the end of the semester, and my brain was always lightly broiled by then.

Unrelatedly, he was blind, and used to go on a rant about community college, the only place where you'd learn vision from a man without it.

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Re: 0992: "Mnemonics"

Postby jc24012 » Mon Dec 19, 2011 8:34 pm UTC

Many years ago, when I was a very naive high school biology student, the more experienced members of the class came up with "Keep Pu**y Clean Or Forget Good Sex" for taxonomy, and I have never forgotten it. Vulgar, but memorable, and you can't screw up the word order.

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Re: 0992: "Mnemonics"

Postby pjsg » Mon Dec 19, 2011 8:35 pm UTC

My favorite mnemonic is "Virgins In Bed Give You Orgasms Readily". This is the colors of the rainbow in increasing order of wavelength. Yes, this is reversed to the standard "Richard Of York Gave Battle In Vain".

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Re: 0992: "Mnemonics"

Postby KnightExemplar » Mon Dec 19, 2011 8:50 pm UTC

Wait... I figured Randall would have heard of this Resistor Code one before. Everyone at my college knew it (hell, I learned this from a professor):

Bad
Boys
R
Our
Young
Girls
But
Violet
Gives
Willingly

Use your imagination for "R". Obviously, inappropriate... but somehow, that makes it easier to remember.

(EDIT: Woops, someone on page one already brought this one up. Oh well...)
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Re: 0992: "Mnemonics"

Postby adhair » Mon Dec 19, 2011 9:00 pm UTC

dado wrote:Oups! I made amistake: it's plural, which means au"x" sage"s" . Thak you for poiting this out adhair, i should double check :P
pi is then 3,1415926535

So much for more memory than my calculator :(


That makes much more sense—I never had a mnemonic for it, though, being something I learned at an early age by rote. I may not know what I had for dinner, last night, but I can rattle off pi to ten digits and remember my home phone number from when I was six.

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Re: 0992: "Mnemonics"

Postby amdurso » Mon Dec 19, 2011 9:03 pm UTC

For the geologic time periods, we learned (and it's somewhat dated now): Can Oranges Slide Down My Pants Pocket? Tell Jane Clark To Quit
(My Pants = Mississippian Pennsylvanian, which together = Carboniferous); (To Quit = Tertiary Quaternary)
And for the epochs of the Cenozoic (excluding Holocene): Please Eat Oranges My Pants Pocket (Paleocene Eocene Oligocene Miocene Pliocene Pleistocene) - which makes no sense but is kind of catchy and mimics the first one.

Gould, in Wonderful Life, shows the best entry in an annual competition he set for his students to improve upon this (Cheap Meat is a pornographic film):

Cheap Meat performs passably,
(Cenozoic Mesozoic Paleozoic Precambrian)


Quenching the celibate’s jejune thirst,
(Quaternary Tertiary Cretaceous Jurassic Triassic)


Portraiture, presented massably,
(Permian Pennsylvanian Mississippian)


Drowning sorrow, oneness cursed.
(Devonian Silurian Ordovician Cambrian)

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Re: 0992: "Mnemonics"

Postby amdurso » Mon Dec 19, 2011 9:06 pm UTC

schreiberg wrote:For geologic time, I follow Stephen Jay Gould's review of an imaginary porn film:

Cheap Meat performs passably,
quenching the celibate's jejune thirst.
Portraiture, presented massably,
drowning sorrow, oneness cursed.

Rare pornography, purchased meekly:
O erogeny, paleobscene.


Ah, you beat me to it.

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Re: 0992: "Mnemonics"

Postby littledman » Mon Dec 19, 2011 9:31 pm UTC

Deenreka wrote:
Yoduh wrote:
Deenreka wrote:
xorsyst wrote:I agree it should be avoided, but BODMAS gives us a definite order or precendence for it. (As does BO(DM)(AS), which is what you're familiar with). The same goes for 10 - 5 + 2.


10 - 5 + 2 would equal 7 no matter what order you do it in. If you add 5 + 2 to get 7 then subtract that from ten, you've added in a bracket, changing the problem to 10 - (5+2). As long as the numbers keep their signs attached, adding and subtracting can be down in any order, left to right (I.E. -5 + 2 = -3, 10 - 3 = 7).


a sign outside a bracket is applied to each number within, such as -(5x+7) = -5x-7. In the case of 10 - (5+2) it becomes 10 - 5 - 2, which performed left to right = 3. Which is also the answer you would expect from following BODMAS since you've introduced brackets, 10 - (7). So yes it does matter what order you perform DM/AS when there are no brackets to specify (a practice which should be avoided anyways).


Order wouldn't matter, because by adding 5 and 2 without keeping the negative sign attached to the five, you have added in brackets. Order doesn't matter when you keep signs attached. The mistake in adding 5 and 2, then subtracting that from 10 comes from separating the sign from the number. To put my argument into phrase, there is no subtraction, only addition of negative numbers (Also follows from this that there is no division, only multiplication of fractions). Therefore, BODMAS should be BOMA.


... and that's why y'all should switch to Polish Notation. No ambiguity, easy to program with, and understood by nobody ;-)

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Re: 0992: "Mnemonics"

Postby arjadre » Mon Dec 19, 2011 9:45 pm UTC

My Earth Science professor taught us:

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Re: 0992: "Mnemonics"

Postby cheeseHead » Mon Dec 19, 2011 10:09 pm UTC

I was taught the resistor colour code in the Navy and as such it is unprintable :oops: . As an electronics lecturer the more PC version that I was taught was:

Bill Brown Ran Out Yelling Gor' Blimey Violet, Get Weaving

As for the planets, I still remember:

Mary Vincent Eats Ma's Jam Sandwiches Under Nelson's Pillar

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Re: 0992: "Mnemonics"

Postby DonR » Mon Dec 19, 2011 10:42 pm UTC

When I was in engineering school long ago, I learned the "not that I care for" mnemonic for resistor codes. My older brother was, quite justifiably, horrified. I challenged him to come up with a better mnemonic, and he did so; I think his is better than the xkcd version:

Big boy! Rats on your greasy basement view! Get washed!

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Re: 0992: "Mnemonics"

Postby VectorZero » Mon Dec 19, 2011 10:44 pm UTC

thegreenmercenary wrote:So, I'm going to be that guy.

Pluto is still a planet. It wasn't 'downgraded' or any such nonsense. The IAU just redid their classification system to be more precise. Instead of everything being called a planet, now there are different classes of planets. Mercury, Venus, Earth, and Mars are terrestrial planets, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, and Neptune are gaseous planets, and Pluto, along with Ceres, Sedna, Eris, and a whole bunch of other crap we're only now discovering, are called dwarf planets.

Saying a dwarf planet isn't a real planet is ridiculous. Is a dwarf human not a human? Is a white dwarf star not a white star? Pluto was simply the first planet discovered in its class, a class which happens to be the most numerous in the solar system, which is pretty dang awesome if you think about it. 'Dwarf Planet' is a sweet honorific if you ask me.


Except that dwarf planets are not a subset of planets; according to the IAU definition, the two are mutually exclusive.

Still, it's pretty cool that there're all these rocks in space for us to go play with...
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Re: 0992: "Mnemonics"

Postby bmonk » Mon Dec 19, 2011 10:47 pm UTC

The Old Wolf wrote:Mother Very Thoughtfully Made A Jelly Sandwich Under No Protest

Mercury, Venus, Terra, Mars, asteroids, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, Neptune, and Pluto

(With thanks to R.A. Heinlein.)

Image

So there.


Of course, if you're gonna include Pluto among the planets, you should really include at least Eris, for ten. You could make it five: Ceres, Pluto, Haumea, Makemake, and Eris, for thirteen. Four more known objects are virtually certain to be dwarf planets--large enough to be round--bringing us up to likely seventeen planets. So, even by your rules, there are not nine planets! Maybe eight, or ten, or thirteen, seventeen, a couple of hundred, but not nine!

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I thought all these mnemonics were created by Roy G. Biv.
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Re: 0992: "Mnemonics"

Postby jiggy » Mon Dec 19, 2011 11:07 pm UTC

4 pages of comments and nothing about pronunciation?
Come on... it's a comic about Newmonics! sigh...

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Re: 0992: "Mnemonics"

Postby Steve the Pocket » Mon Dec 19, 2011 11:16 pm UTC

Tirian wrote:
Keiji wrote:As far as giving SOHCAHTOA a mnemonic, who needs one? It's easily pronounceable by itself.


At the same time, I've tutored students who don't recall if it's SOHCAHTOA or SAHCOHTOA. (Perhaps Randall has too.) Like someone previously said, mnemonics are supposed to unambiguously give us the right order, which is why I teach Some Old Horse Caught Another Horse Taking Oats Away.

The easy way I remembered is that "Sokatoa" sounds like the name of an island in the south Pacific or something.

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I seem to remember that one too. As well as Fat Cows Go Down Alleys Eating Blueberries for the order sharps appear in key signatures (flats are just the reverse of that).
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Re: 0992: "Mnemonics"

Postby Primis » Mon Dec 19, 2011 11:23 pm UTC

Back when there were 9 planets, I learned the following version, "My Very Educated Mother Just Served Us Nine Pies"
SI units was "King Henry Doesn't Bake (base) Doughnuts Christmas Morning"
I remember pi with this.
And PEMDAS was "Please Excuse My Dear Aunt Sally"
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Re: 0992: "Mnemonics"

Postby scienceguy8 » Mon Dec 19, 2011 11:35 pm UTC

doubletwist wrote:The one I learned for resistor color-codes was a bit less vulgar than the typical one:
"Bad Beer Rots Our Young Guts, But Vodka Goes Well. Get Some Now"

Replace Bad with Black and drop the tolerance component, and you've got the mnemonic I've been using for resistor codes ever since I learned it from Junkbots, Bugbots, and Bots On Wheels.

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Re: 0992: "Mnemonics"

Postby Bill5 » Mon Dec 19, 2011 11:46 pm UTC

Steve the Pocket wrote:The easy way I remembered is that "Sokatoa" sounds like the name of an island in the south Pacific or something.

I just remember the movie about the famous volcanic explosion. You know:
SOH-CAH-TOA East of Java !

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Re: 0992: "Mnemonics"

Postby mikros » Mon Dec 19, 2011 11:50 pm UTC

I had never even heard these more "offensive" resistor codes, our mnemonic was "Better Build Roof Over Your Garage Before Vehicle Gets Wet. [tolerance codes] Get Some Nails."

However, upon googling this one (after reading this thread) it appears that nobody else uses it.

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Re: 0992: "Mnemonics"

Postby Absotively » Mon Dec 19, 2011 11:55 pm UTC

For the order of sharps in a key signature, we learned "Father Charles Goes Down And Ends Battle" in grade six band. It has the advantage that backwards, it still makes sense, and it gives the order of flats: "Battle Ends And Down Goes Charles' Father."

The order for sharps is the same as Novamystique gave for the circle of fifths mnemonic, which I thought had more notes in it, but I quit band before we got that far in music theory, so I could be wrong.

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Re: 0992: "Mnemonics"

Postby punto » Tue Dec 20, 2011 12:13 am UTC

Don't you mean "Mary's virgin explanation made Joseph suspect upstairs neighbor Pedro" ?


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