1062: "Budget News"

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1062: "Budget News"

Postby songandsilence » Wed May 30, 2012 4:12 am UTC

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Alt Text: I will vote, no questions asked, for any candidate who describes themselves as \more of a deficit sugar glider.\""

I, of course, would just love to see someone get divebombed by a hawk on TV.

EDIT: Forgot the quotes in the title. I knew I was missing something.
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Re: 1062: Budget News

Postby rhomboidal » Wed May 30, 2012 4:16 am UTC

I'd vote for any candidate describing themselves as a "deficit pteranodon." Or a "budget Ghidorah."

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Re: 1062: "Budget News"

Postby Lightsecond » Wed May 30, 2012 4:39 am UTC

The.. quotes.. They bother me... :lol:

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Re: 1062: Budget News

Postby glasnt » Wed May 30, 2012 4:41 am UTC

This must be a US politics reference. I have no comeback.

Instead, hi joee.

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Re: 1062: "Budget News"

Postby Quicksilver » Wed May 30, 2012 4:44 am UTC

Clearly the work of BHG, down there at the front of the audience.

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Re: 1062: "Budget News"

Postby Ronster » Wed May 30, 2012 4:45 am UTC

Budget Budgie?

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Re: 1062: "Budget News"

Postby DavidF » Wed May 30, 2012 5:11 am UTC

What's the deal with the backslashes and quotation marks?

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Re: 1062: "Budget News"

Postby Djehutynakht » Wed May 30, 2012 5:14 am UTC

Hm... quick, some US citizen look up the House and Senate Rules.

Does either House bar Hawks on the floor?

If not, this could get interesting...

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Re: 1062: Budget News

Postby Eternal Density » Wed May 30, 2012 6:05 am UTC

glasnt wrote:This must be a US politics reference. I have no comeback.

Instead, hi joee.

Apparently birds have something to do with decifits defecets defecits decifits dicifets WHATAMIDOINGWRONG deficits in America. *shrugs* Or perhaps hawks specifically have something to do with politics in general?

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Re: 1062: "Budget News"

Postby Princess Marzipan » Wed May 30, 2012 6:29 am UTC

Wikipedia to the rescue, letting me blame other people if the information's wrong instead of being culpable if I misremember!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_Hawk#V ... f_the_term
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deficit_hawk
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Re: 1062: "Budget News"

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Re: 1062: "Budget News"

Postby Lightsecond » Wed May 30, 2012 7:28 am UTC

Quicksilver wrote:Clearly the work of BHG, down there at the front of the audience.

I did not notice him till you pointed out. Now that I think about it. It does sound like something BHG would do.

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Re: 1062: "Budget News"

Postby '); DROP TABLE users; » Wed May 30, 2012 7:31 am UTC

DavidF wrote:What's the deal with the backslashes and quotation marks?

Quotes are special characters in programming, generally used to delimit strings (text) - in this case, the title text. That means that if you want to actually put a quote mark inside a string (e.g. have a quote mark as part of the title text) you have to "escape" it (make the server interpret it as a quote mark that should be displayed to the user rather than one that marks the end of the title text) by putting a backslash in front of it. Clearly Randall is having a little trouble with this today.

Edit: see here http://xkcd.com/234/ and the title text here http://www.xkcd.com/208/.

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Re: 1062: "Budget News"

Postby squonk » Wed May 30, 2012 10:49 am UTC

This feels like a comic that Randall created long ago and realized wasn't really good enough for the site, but kept around for use as an emergency filler for an occasion when he didn't have time to do a real one.

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Re: 1062: "Budget News"

Postby jonadab » Wed May 30, 2012 11:38 am UTC

Apparently birds have something to do with ... deficits in America. *shrugs* Or perhaps hawks specifically have something to do with politics in general?


Neither.

However, certain birds of prey are known for their excellent eyesight. From this we get two figures of speech.

I'll talk about the other one first, because it's simpler. Calling someone an "eagle-eye" is the more direct of the two: it implies that they have good physical eyesight. That's straightforward.

The figure of speech built around the hawk is more... figurative. If we say that someone watches something "like a hawk", we mean that they watch it very closely and will notice even small issues.

I've never heard of a "deficit hawk" before, but I would assume that the simile has been turned into a metaphor and we're talking about someone who watches (or perhaps wants to be perceived as watching) the budget very closely, probably with the intention of curtailing deficit spending (or at least being perceived as curtailing deficit spending).

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Re: 1062: "Budget News"

Postby radtea » Wed May 30, 2012 12:06 pm UTC

"Hawk" and "Dove" have long been used in American culture to describe the simplistic, ridiculous and wildly ideological (and therefore simplistic and ridiculous) stances that are prevalent in American society, which eschews nuance and subtlety in favour of Manichean monotones.

During the Cold War "Hawks" were people who wanted to start WWIII--the sooner the better--and Doves were people who wanted to surrender to the Soviet Union and march themselves off to political re-education camps. In the '80's there were people who called themselves "Owls", who claimed the wisdom of Doves and the sharp claws of Hawks, but they simply couldn't fit into the bipolar opposition of American politics, in which any sort of difference at all is immediately converted into bipolar oppositional dysfunction.

There are of course no deficit hawks in the US today: cutting the projected rate of growth of the deficit over the next decade is not cutting the deficit, which is what a deficit hawk would do. It is accepting the deficit as a fact of life and hoping you'll be dead before your children realized what a disaster you've handed them.
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Re: 1062: Budget News

Postby J Thomas » Wed May 30, 2012 12:29 pm UTC

Eternal Density wrote:
glasnt wrote:This must be a US politics reference. I have no comeback.

Instead, hi joee.

Apparently birds have something to do with decifits defecets defecits decifits dicifets WHATAMIDOINGWRONG deficits in America. *shrugs* Or perhaps hawks specifically have something to do with politics in general?


It's complicated.

Before the American civil war, there were people who were ready to murder to decide whether kansas would have slavery or not. The murderers who were against slavery were called jayhawkers. It started out with jayhawkers only attacking people who owned slaves and the equivalent southern groups only attacking people who opposed slavery, but as things got worse both groups wound up taking what they needed from anybody who had it.

After the war, there was enough hard feeling that people in kansas who had supported the south tended to leave or at least change their names, and over time "jayhawker" came to be used to describe anybody who considered himself a kansas citizen.

Later, the Wizard of Oz stories included a girl who came from kansas to the magical land of Oz, complete with witches, wizards, munchkins, flying monkeys, etc. The girl says to her little dog, "I don't think we're in kansas any more, Toto". The people of kansas are considered to be plainspeaking no-nonsense types who don't hold with witchcraft or flying monkeys. And so the jayhawker label evolved from fanatical idealists who turn into simple murderers and thieves, to plain common-sense people.

When the USA fell into controversy about the vietnam war, warhawks were plainspeaking no-nonsense types who said that when we get in a war we have to do whatever it takes to win it, and never give up until it is completely won. They said that we were in a generations-long war against international communism and we had to push the communists back wherever they infiltrated. Meanwhile the doves said it was the wrong war at the wrong time and we needed to cut our losses.

Now deficit-hawks are plainspeaking no-nonsense types who say that the USA should not have deficits, that the US government should never spend more than it collects in taxes, that we should pay off the national debt until it's gone and never go into debt again.

The "hawk" label is always applied to Republican fanatics and conservative fanatics, never to Democrat fanatics or liberal fanatics. And the connotation that they have lost their ideals and devolved into common thieves seems to be mostly missing from the label, though often people say that independent of the "hawk" word.
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Re: 1062: "Budget News"

Postby veysey » Wed May 30, 2012 12:35 pm UTC

Today's comic was kind of the inverse of a picture I took about 2 years ago. Made me want to share it ...

https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B2ZrDfBFI6POVXlnMy1oS3NnOG8

[SFW - it's a picture of the US Treasury building with a hawk on it ... ]

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Re: 1062: "Budget News"

Postby Apeiron » Wed May 30, 2012 1:26 pm UTC

Pass the Monetary Reform Act and the national debt will be gone in two or three years. Then we can stop making interest payments on the national debt. That alone would allow republicans to have to toys they want and democrats to have the social programs they want.

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Re: 1062: "Budget News"

Postby Fire Brns » Wed May 30, 2012 2:30 pm UTC

A deficit hawk can save enough money to buy a falcon.

squonk wrote:This feels like a comic that Randall created long ago and realized wasn't really good enough for the site, but kept around for use as an emergency filler for an occasion when he didn't have time to do a real one.
IDK, that looks like Romney hair in the pic so I doubt it is that old. Still sub par.
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Re: 1062: Budget News

Postby SerMufasa » Wed May 30, 2012 2:40 pm UTC

J Thomas wrote:The "hawk" label is always applied to Republican fanatics and conservative fanatics, never to Democrat fanatics or liberal fanatics.


This is incorrect. Joe Lieberman was considered a hawk, even when he was in the Democratic Party.
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Re: 1062: "Budget News"

Postby siosilvar » Wed May 30, 2012 3:04 pm UTC

As soon as I read the story title, the popped into my head:

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Re: 1062: "Budget News"

Postby Sprocket » Wed May 30, 2012 3:23 pm UTC

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Re: 1062: "Budget News"

Postby dp2 » Wed May 30, 2012 3:57 pm UTC

Funny how "war hawks" favor war spending while "deficit hawks" oppose deficit spending.

Anyway, I don't get the joke here.

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Re: 1062: "Budget News"

Postby anian » Wed May 30, 2012 4:06 pm UTC

I love these political cartoons, they always create more crazy rantings by people on the forums.

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Re: 1062: "Budget News"

Postby thesingingaccountant » Wed May 30, 2012 4:15 pm UTC

I will vote, no questions asked, for any candidate who describes themselves as 'more of a deficit sugar glider.'


Sugar gliders are possibly the cutest animals EVER. Nevertheless, I still intend to vote for Howard the Duck.
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Re: 1062: "Budget News"

Postby San Fran Sam » Wed May 30, 2012 4:35 pm UTC

thesingingaccountant wrote:
I will vote, no questions asked, for any candidate who describes themselves as 'more of a deficit sugar glider.'


Sugar gliders are possibly the cutest animals EVER. Nevertheless, I still intend to vote for Howard the Duck.


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Re: 1062: "Budget News"

Postby Whys » Wed May 30, 2012 5:08 pm UTC

It's simple. Those calling themselves "deficit hawks" are so far from it, real hawks couldn't be more offended. And a real hawk, being a real hawk, attacks!

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Re: 1062: Budget News

Postby J Thomas » Wed May 30, 2012 5:56 pm UTC

SerMufasa wrote:
J Thomas wrote:The "hawk" label is always applied to Republican fanatics and conservative fanatics, never to Democrat fanatics or liberal fanatics.


This is incorrect. Joe Lieberman was considered a hawk, even when he was in the Democratic Party.

Technically you are right, but I can't accept Lieberman as a counterexample. Is he a liberal fanatic? If he's a fanatic at all, he's more of a conservative fanatic who happens to be a registered Democrat.
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Re: 1062: "Budget News"

Postby StClair » Thu May 31, 2012 12:52 am UTC

Oh yay, political forum thread. Because there just aren't enough of those.

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Re: 1062: "Budget News"

Postby Tova » Thu May 31, 2012 1:48 am UTC

"... attacked by regular one" somehow failed to get a laugh out of me.

I dunno, I just feel that there is a genuinely funny joke in there just dying to get out.

The alt text did get a laugh out of me, though.

edit: Thinking a bit more, maybe "DEFICIT HAWK ATTACKED" would have been funnier, because it would have let the picture tell the joke. It's not often I feel that xkcd has overexplained the joke.

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Re: 1062: "Budget News"

Postby Princess Marzipan » Thu May 31, 2012 5:45 am UTC

What about the fucking hawk?
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Re: 1062: "Budget News"

Postby flicky1991 » Thu May 31, 2012 8:41 am UTC

Have the strip numbers messed up for anyone else? This strip is now 1061, Crowdsourcing appears twice, and Old-Timers and Bel-Air have disappeared completely.
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Re: 1062: "Budget News"

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Re: 1062: "Budget News"

Postby jpers36 » Tue Jun 05, 2012 7:01 pm UTC

Shouldn't the image be clickable?


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