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Re: 1106: "ADD"

Postby justalurkr » Mon Sep 10, 2012 12:48 pm UTC

If you tied all the balloons together, could you go up with them?
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Re: 1106: "ADD"

Postby savolai » Mon Sep 10, 2012 12:50 pm UTC

twcarlson wrote:This reminds me of the GTD method by David Allen. Unless you come up with a good system for tying those balloons down until you can deal with them, you'll never be able to fully control the one you're holding now.


I was seriously surprised GTD didn't come up earlier in the discussion. To me, this whole thing was about GTD. What, you thought the "inbox" balloon was about e-mail?

Granted, raising ADD awareness is a higher goal.

(I think each individual balloon should have a tooltip of its own, or a click-to-zoom feature, or something.)
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Re: 1106: "ADD"

Postby The_Alchemist » Mon Sep 10, 2012 12:59 pm UTC

For those that are calling this 'just life' I would submit you don't have ADD or some variation. I don't either but was married to someone with a full blown, this shit isn't the modern cool ADD, diagnosable case of ADD. The whole point IMO is that what is just life for someone without the condition is a constant struggle for someone with it.

And to put it in a visual context, those without it simply don't have to dell with balloons. We have post it notes or the like that can be set down and picked back up, or we can hold more than just two together. Or we have the forethought to put that one in the left hand with the one already there, before reaching for another. The key here is you totally let go of what you were doing to pursue the new thought or endeavor...and not consciously per se. You let go of the balloon instead of tying it off or taking care of it. Once that balloon is gone, it's gone, or at least a hard struggle to get again.

....and I thought it was 'too many balls in the air' and 'irons in the fire', not balloons in the air that was 'life'....
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Re: 1106: "ADD"

Postby Patrik3 » Mon Sep 10, 2012 1:03 pm UTC

Wow, that's really weird that this comic should appear today. I suppose this should go into the SB help section of the forums but it's quite relevant to this.

The time is 13:59. I have an appointment the other side of town at 14:00. The appointment was with an ADD specialist, evaluating my ability to go back to University this year. I was supposed to have completed 2 dummy tasks for them (I have completed 1 of the tasks). I will miss this appointment because I woke up 10 minutes ago because I went to bed at near 6 a.m. this morning, because I was too distracted by other things to go to bed. There is no chance that I will go back to University this year.

(And if I wasn't so scared of death, I would really, really want to die right now.)
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Re: 1106: "ADD"

Postby Angelastic » Mon Sep 10, 2012 1:08 pm UTC

The_Alchemist wrote:For those that are calling this 'just life' I would submit you don't have ADD or some variation. I don't either but was married to someone with a full blown, this shit isn't the modern cool ADD, diagnosable case of ADD. The whole point IMO is that what is just life for someone without the condition is a constant struggle for someone with it.

But that's just it... I don't have ADD (as far as I know) and yet I can completely identify with this comic. This is life, and yes, it is a constant struggle. So whatever ADD is like, it must be something more than this.
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Re: 1106: "ADD"

Postby The_Alchemist » Mon Sep 10, 2012 1:19 pm UTC

Angelastic wrote:
The_Alchemist wrote:For those that are calling this 'just life' I would submit you don't have ADD or some variation. I don't either but was married to someone with a full blown, this shit isn't the modern cool ADD, diagnosable case of ADD. The whole point IMO is that what is just life for someone without the condition is a constant struggle for someone with it.

But that's just it... I don't have ADD (as far as I know) and yet I can completely identify with this comic. This is life, and yes, it is a constant struggle. So whatever ADD is like, it must be something more than this.


Ah, the subtleties and shortcomings of language :)

What I think you are missing, in thinking that ADD is more than this, is that you (and I) are capable of not letting go of the balloons. THAT to me is the key difference.

Think about how your day would be if as soon as you had a thought of something you needed or wanted to do, you dropped (not just set down or put on hold for a minute) whatever you were doing to charge onto the new idea.
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Re: 1106: "ADD"

Postby justalurkr » Mon Sep 10, 2012 1:31 pm UTC

Patrik3 wrote:Wow, that's really weird that this comic should appear today. I suppose this should go into the SB help section of the forums but it's quite relevant to this.

The time is 13:59. I have an appointment the other side of town at 14:00. The appointment was with an ADD specialist, evaluating my ability to go back to University this year. I was supposed to have completed 2 dummy tasks for them (I have completed 1 of the tasks). I will miss this appointment because I woke up 10 minutes ago because I went to bed at near 6 a.m. this morning, because I was too distracted by other things to go to bed. There is no chance that I will go back to University this year.

(And if I wasn't so scared of death, I would really, really want to die right now.)


Why? I was diagnosed with ADD at the age of 39 and started to make some noise online to my pals about "if only I had known..." and some whippersnapper cut me off with an exceedingly brisk "spilt milk. Get on with it." I think she only meant to derail a very long whining session, but she also helped me reframe the twenty or so years behind me.

ADD is a fact of your life (and mine.) Along with the one minute to cross town dramas, it brings a whole different way of perceiving the universe, and people envy it. All the "whack on the side of the head" and "thinking outside the box" and even the pop psych concept of "flow" claptrap from the 90s are all linear-brained people envying what the people with ADD medicate and meditate (and isn't meditation entertaining? :D) to keep from happening all the time. I'd only want to die if I had to perceive the world one think at a time like the linear people do.

Call them and tell them you need to reschedule. Don't offer an explanation unless they ask and then keep it minimal. Number one worst thing you can do is let anyone bring shame into the ADD picture. We are what we are and sometimes they wish they were so awesome. With the optimal therapeutic interventions (not all drugs work on everyone,) you will return to university and you will kick every ass in front of you, beside you and over there where no one else noticed ass-ness going on.
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Re: 1106: "ADD"

Postby endolith » Mon Sep 10, 2012 2:04 pm UTC

If this is what ADD is like, then doesn't everyone have ADD? Is it even a real problem?

The_Alchemist wrote:Think about how your day would be if as soon as you had a thought of something you needed or wanted to do, you dropped (not just set down or put on hold for a minute) whatever you were doing to charge onto the new idea.


Isn't that how everyone works?
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Re: 1106: "ADD"

Postby meeshyscarver » Mon Sep 10, 2012 2:13 pm UTC

eculc wrote:I think the only one I would disagree with (having ADD myself) would be the one labeled "BREATHE". I don't need to conciously think about it, but other than that yes.


Reminding one's self to breathe is a relaxation technique. Measured breathing can help relieve a huge variety of psychological and psychosomatic diseases. I would say that, in my life, remembering to relax and breathe deeply when I am upset is essential to the regulation of my anxiety and impulse control issues (related to ADD).

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And another thing: "You are now breathing manually"... been there!
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Re: 1106: "ADD"

Postby meeshyscarver » Mon Sep 10, 2012 2:17 pm UTC

eculc wrote:I think the only one I would disagree with (having ADD myself) would be the one labeled "BREATHE". I don't need to conciously think about it, but other than that yes.



AND - I know that there is another balloon labeled "Relax", but that's not the same as just taking a few deep breaths. Relaxing is prolonged and consists of more than just breathing.
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Re: 1106: "ADD"

Postby Red Hal » Mon Sep 10, 2012 2:26 pm UTC

That's a great post, justalurkr. Thanks to you and The_Alchemist I have now grasped (pun fully intended) the significance of letting go of the balloons, and understand that while "juggling balls" is something we all do, completely forgetting about the ones you've dropped, or even that you had balls in the air in the first place is what this comic is getting at.

Oh and endolith, I see the empathectomy went well.
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Re: 1106: "ADD"

Postby thegreatkatsby » Mon Sep 10, 2012 2:40 pm UTC

Isn't that how everyone works?


To some extent, yes. But to have ADD/ADHD is a whole new level of it. You are almost always late, your house is a mess, you take longer to do things than other people (even if your'e super smart). It's very embarrassing and isolating. It chips away at your self esteem, because you wonder why you can't keep on top of everything like you see other people do. And while it might be easy to just call someone "lazy" or "stupid", it misses the whole point that these are often creative, insightful individuals who just haven't figured out how to adapt their constantly-shifting thoughts to everyday life. It's an invisible disorder, so people who don't have it have trouble understanding it. And there are different levels of it. Some people function fairly well with it (because they have developed strategies to work around it), and some people have such extreme cases that every day is a disaster.

So, yes... this is how everyone works to some degree. But try to have some sympathy for those who have severe versions of it.
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Re: 1106: "ADD"

Postby MadH » Mon Sep 10, 2012 2:42 pm UTC

I have a friend with ADHD. Several times he's told me it's a great thing and doesn't see why anyone should be medicated for it. He sees it as the ultimate form of multitasking - he seriously gets shit done because he's grabbing all the balloons at once apparently, and when he's popped all of those as fast as he can there's tons more to grab, and because of the H part he never stops grabbing. He gets tired of shiny balloons fast though, so when it comes to entertainment he's always getting bored if it's not high-quality enough.

Sure, he forgets to sleep every now and then but that never hurt anyone directly.
Perhaps ADD is just a totally different beast than ADHD. Maybe he's just figured out how to harness his "power". Maybe he's just got the "good" type. Personally, I think we prescribe medication too fast and maybe doctors should try prescribing working with a specialist through/with your brain first, or at the same time as, optional medication. That costs more money though, so I don't know....
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Re: 1106: "ADD"

Postby Angelastic » Mon Sep 10, 2012 2:45 pm UTC

The_Alchemist wrote:What I think you are missing, in thinking that ADD is more than this, is that you (and I) are capable of not letting go of the balloons. THAT to me is the key difference.

Ah, okay... so we can hold more than one balloon in each hand? We'd pass the math balloon to the call mom hand before leaping at the oven balloon, and we'd end up having a whole lot of balloons in our left hand, occasionally slipping out, rather than a whole lot of unreachable balloons on the ceiling? Yeah, I guess I can do that, even if it makes my overbuoyant arm sore. Maybe if the comic had had a 'no ADD' panel for comparison it would have been easier to see the difference.

There's still no way anyone can catch them all, though. Sometimes it seems like other people can catch all the balloons, but it's probably just an illusion.
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Re: 1106: "ADD"

Postby HarvesteR » Mon Sep 10, 2012 2:50 pm UTC

I can't describe how awesome this feels! :D :D :D

Thank you Randall!

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Re: 1106: "ADD"

Postby iamspen » Mon Sep 10, 2012 2:51 pm UTC

What has thus far failed to be properly explained is that when ADHD folk manage to grab a balloon, we tend to latch onto it at the expense of every other balloon. That's why ADD people tend to struggle at prioritizing, and why they're often mistakenly labeled as lazy.
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Re: 1106: "ADD"

Postby EpicanicusStrikes » Mon Sep 10, 2012 3:05 pm UTC

Angelastic wrote:Maybe if the comic had had a 'no ADD' panel for comparison it would have been easier to see the difference.


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Re: 1106: "ADD"

Postby steamforged » Mon Sep 10, 2012 3:06 pm UTC

thelastholdout wrote:Usually XKCD makes me laugh.

This one made me tear up.

It's indescribable, the feeling you get when you see that someone else knows what your life is like.


This.

I registered for these forums just now, solely to comment on this comic. I missed the title when I first read it. At the second panel I thought, "This is just like my ADHD." When I finally read the title, I just sat there staring for a bit.

Thank you, Randy. I'm a lot of things people doubt the existence of (bisexual, ADHD, geek woman), and a little affirmation goes a long way. Thank you.
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Re: 1106: "ADD"

Postby Angelastic » Mon Sep 10, 2012 3:09 pm UTC

...I think I finally understand how people manage to find time for TV when there are so many other balloons to chase. :D

Now, just gotta get me a wheelchair and some Depends.
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Postby jesirose » Mon Sep 10, 2012 3:17 pm UTC

I joined today in order to post about this.

Considering the readership of a comic like this one, I wouldn't be surprised to see a higher than normal percentage of readers who do have ADD, or have undiagnosed ADD. There can be people who have it very severly, and people who manage it and barely realize they have it.

There are two amazing books that helped me as an adult gain control of my ADD and harness it as a useful tool. I was diagnosed as a kid, and had side effects to the medication which still remain 20 years later. So, after a few weeks on the medication my mom took me off of it, and we never tried anything else. After dropping out of college twice, I went to see a doctor about depression. He later diagnosed me with ADD, and I said "Oh yeah, I had that as a kid." Since finding out that I did in fact have ADD, I've been able to be very successful.

The books are You Mean I'm Not Lazy, Stupid or Crazy?
http://www.amazon.com/You-Mean-Lazy-Stupid-Crazy/dp/0743264487/
And Driven to Distraction
http://www.amazon.com/Driven-Distraction-Revised-Recognizing-Attention/dp/0307743152/ref=pd_sim_b_1

There are other good ones out there but I found these two most helpful.

If you don't have ADD, it can be hard to understand how ADD is different from just normal life, and it is hard to describe. It's not about not being able to do everything you want to, or need to. It's more about not being able to control how you decide which things to do, and even not be able to explain why you do things, and it's constant. It's not like when you walk into a room and forgot why you went in there. It's every single task you do, every second of the day, unless you're in hyperfocus.

Around the same time that I was diagnosed with ADD, I also went to see another doctor about a physical pain problem. I was 20 years old, and felt like every movement I made hurt my body. My limbs would have sudden sharp pains like a stabbing. I felt exhausted. I described this to some friends, who said "Doesn't everyone feel like that? It's just getting older." No, it's not normal for a 20 year old to be unable to walk without limping due to stabbing pains with no cause. It's not normal to have trouble every day turning your shower on because your hands are too weak and they hurt for 30 minutes afterwards. That's what fibromyalgia does to a person. That's not aging (in a 20 year old, come on), that's a medical problem.

ADD is the same, but with your mind. It's an amplification of every single thing being much harder, but instead of phsyical it's your attention span and ability to regulate your thoughts.

So when you read the comic and say "that's how life is for everyone", then you probably don't have ADD, you have normal attention abilities, like my friends who don't have fibromyaglia but have normal growing pains and occasional back pain and think that everyone experiences similar small amounts of pain.

I hope that helps explain it, and I just also want to add Thank You to Randall for an amazing comic.
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Re: 1106: "ADD"

Postby Patrik3 » Mon Sep 10, 2012 3:50 pm UTC

justalurkr wrote:
Patrik3 wrote:Wow, that's really weird that this comic should appear today. I suppose this should go into the SB help section of the forums but it's quite relevant to this.

The time is 13:59. I have an appointment the other side of town at 14:00. The appointment was with an ADD specialist, evaluating my ability to go back to University this year. I was supposed to have completed 2 dummy tasks for them (I have completed 1 of the tasks). I will miss this appointment because I woke up 10 minutes ago because I went to bed at near 6 a.m. this morning, because I was too distracted by other things to go to bed. There is no chance that I will go back to University this year.

(And if I wasn't so scared of death, I would really, really want to die right now.)


Why? I was diagnosed with ADD at the age of 39 and started to make some noise online to my pals about "if only I had known..." and some whippersnapper cut me off with an exceedingly brisk "spilt milk. Get on with it." I think she only meant to derail a very long whining session, but she also helped me reframe the twenty or so years behind me.

ADD is a fact of your life (and mine.) Along with the one minute to cross town dramas, it brings a whole different way of perceiving the universe, and people envy it. All the "whack on the side of the head" and "thinking outside the box" and even the pop psych concept of "flow" claptrap from the 90s are all linear-brained people envying what the people with ADD medicate and meditate (and isn't meditation entertaining? :D) to keep from happening all the time. I'd only want to die if I had to perceive the world one think at a time like the linear people do.

Call them and tell them you need to reschedule. Don't offer an explanation unless they ask and then keep it minimal. Number one worst thing you can do is let anyone bring shame into the ADD picture. We are what we are and sometimes they wish they were so awesome. With the optimal therapeutic interventions (not all drugs work on everyone,) you will return to university and you will kick every ass in front of you, beside you and over there where no one else noticed ass-ness going on.


Sorry, I didn't explain clearly. I'm not ashamed myself of having it, (although yes, I wish I had known earlier.) I was diagnosed a few months ago and now, on the days I remember to take it, I take a sister drug to Ritalin.

It's just that I was really wanting to go back to Uni this year: a place is being held open for me for one last year after I dropped out a couple years ago. It's quite a "now or never" situation. And typical to me, on a dummy task set to see if I could just complete 1 assignment, I made classic bad choices and missed the deadline. It feels quite a final thing (although I'm not going to let the decision slip away that easily)
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Re: 1106: "ADD"

Postby pyronius » Mon Sep 10, 2012 3:57 pm UTC

to add a serious note to the discussion,

I think something most people are missing about this comic is the alt text. the thing about ADD or ADHD is that it's inherently an issue of risk evaluation. in essence the portion of your brain that judges risk is still working fine and the portion that judges reward is working as well but the portion that turns the risk evaluation into the ability not to do something (the prefrontal cortex) doesn't work. basically you can see the wall coming but you have no brakes. what this means is that you're a lot more likely to do something because its pleasurable rather than to reduce pain. so to bring the alt text back into it Randall ended up picking the KSP balloon because its fun. someone with ADD/ADHD will often pick the fun bits despite the future consequences. for instance i spent all last night watching the fourth season of dexter despite knowing full well i had calculus to do. were i on my meds i would have easily chosen calculus first because i would have been able to delay my reward until the prospect of risk was gone.

everyone has varying levels of difficulty juggling their balloons but the person with ADHD lets all the bad balloons fly into the fan in favor of keeping hold of the shiniest ones.
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Re: 1106: "ADD"

Postby The Moomin » Mon Sep 10, 2012 3:58 pm UTC

If you love your balloon, set it free.

If it comes back again, it probably wasn't a balloon.

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Re: 1106: "ADD"

Postby keithl » Mon Sep 10, 2012 4:23 pm UTC

Linux0s wrote:Feed cat comes before breathe. Feed cat comes before anything. Just ask any cat.


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Re: 1106: "ADD"

Postby janhunt » Mon Sep 10, 2012 4:37 pm UTC

I really identified with this - but who wouldn't? We all have far too much on our plate these days, and life just gets more and more complicated.

Please watch this delightful, thought-provoking TED video clip about a little girl who was thought to have ADD but fortunately was taken to a doctor who was able to diagnose the real "problem": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NIUg2GdBNY .

The full video is at http://www.naturalchild.org/videos/ted_ ... inson.html .

Dr. Thomas Armstrong, a former learning disabilities specialist, changed professions when he "began to see how this notion of learning disabilities was handicapping all of our children by placing the blame for a child's learning failure on mysterious neurological deficiencies in the brain instead of on much needed reforms in our system of education." See his article "Why I Believe that Attention Deficit Disorder is a Myth":\
http://www.naturalchild.org/guest/thomas_armstrong.html
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Re: 1106: "ADD"

Postby ReverendJohn » Mon Sep 10, 2012 4:52 pm UTC

keithl wrote:
Linux0s wrote:Feed cat comes before breathe. Feed cat comes before anything. Just ask any cat.


Feed cat to what?


Feed cat to immanentize the eschaton.
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Re: 1106: "ADD"

Postby mikrit » Mon Sep 10, 2012 5:18 pm UTC

I have a daughter with autism and ADHD. She takes Ritalin for the ADHD, but it is not designed to have effect the whole day. So when she wakes up in the morning, she can be really hyperagitated, talking repetitive nonsense (and dirty language) and clapping her hands endlessly. So she gets one pill, and it is a real relief to see the effect kick in after exactly half an hour. Then she can calm down and make some sense.

I don't know how ADD differs from ADHD, but it seems obvious to me that her brain lacks some chemical that the Ritalin provides.

I find it annoying that people speculate that these disorders are a myth. One could use the same logic on most diseases: "Diabetes is a myth, cause everyone gets tired if they haven't eaten enough. Nearsightedness is a myth; we all have difficulties seeing clearly now and then (in a fog, for example)."
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Re: 1106: "ADD"

Postby The_Alchemist » Mon Sep 10, 2012 5:29 pm UTC

endolith wrote:If this is what ADD is like, then doesn't everyone have ADD? Is it even a real problem?

The_Alchemist wrote:Think about how your day would be if as soon as you had a thought of something you needed or wanted to do, you dropped (not just set down or put on hold for a minute) whatever you were doing to charge onto the new idea.


Isn't that how everyone works?


In a word, no.

In more words,

I decided to reply to this post.
Found out I was not logged in. Went to log in
Someone knocked at the door
(moved logging in from primary hand to secondary hand)
Got package I've been waiting.
(put opening package into secondary hand) - went back to computer
On the way back noticed the book I've been reading...didn't pick it up because I have balloons in my hands
e-mail alarm went off - decided not shift any balloons
(shifted log in balloon to primary hand)
while logging in, recalled I needed to pay quarterly taxes - pulled folder to later remind myself (balloon picked up and let go, while holding others)
started replying to this post.
(damn, nature calls....balloon shift)
(shift replying balloon again)
Hit Submit (or would if I were not going to write more) (pop reply balloon :) )

I could easily see the following (with no intent to make fun of this) if serious ADD was present in the situation

I decided to reply to this post.
Found out I was not logged in. Went to log in
Someone knocked at the door
(let go of replying balloon)
open package I just got.
Take things out to try on.
See book I've been reading.
Drop new clothes, pick up book to read (clothes balloon gone)
email notice goes off (book balloon gone)
open email - see old email I didn't respond to (new e-mail balloon gone)
Start to respond
new e-mail alarm goes off - (drop respond e-mail balloon)
open new e-mail.......

How's that?
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Re: 1106: "ADD"

Postby endolith » Mon Sep 10, 2012 5:37 pm UTC

The_Alchemist wrote:How's that?


Then eventually you see the post you meant to reply to and suddenly remember you were going to do that? Sounds normal to me.
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Re: 1106: "ADD"

Postby janhunt » Mon Sep 10, 2012 5:38 pm UTC

Please read ADD: Does it really exist?
http://www.naturalchild.org/guest/thoma ... rong2.html
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Re: 1106: "ADD"

Postby Draco18s » Mon Sep 10, 2012 5:51 pm UTC

The_Alchemist wrote:How's that?


No, it's more like this:

1) Go to reply to thread, see I'm not logged in.
2) Go to log in, hear doorbell ring. Put "login" balloon in secondary hand (I'll come back).
3) Answer door, get a package. Realize this had that new book I ordered. Let go of "login" balloon (I forgot it was there).
4) Open package and begin reading book, hear new-email chime go off. Put "book" in secondary hand (I'll come back).
5) Check email, see it wasn't very interesting. Well I'm already sitting down at my computer, I wonder if any forums I read have new posts. Let go of "book" balloon (forgot about it).
6) Refresh a forum and read a thread, see I want to reply. Go to step 1.

It's not so much the fact that you have to shift balloons about, but more that you act like you've only got one hand to hold balloons. You keep forgetting that you have a "secondary hand" that's also holding a balloon, and new tasks will supersede old tasks. Though generally speaking something like "nature calls" isn't a new task that causes an old task to be forgotten. It can be depending on the level of enjoyment of that task (for instance, if I'm out doing yard work, "have to pee" can turn into "pee, get a drink, sit down, check email, slowly sip drink while reading forums, and then 20 minutes later return to yard work").

To use a computer analogy, it'd be like not having enough RAM, but instead of things slowing down (due to memory swapping), programs outright crash (as their memory was stolen by another task).

At least, that's what it feels like for me (by all rights I should be doing work right now, but reading forums is more fun and work is boring*).

*On the up-side, I always get my work done on time, because eventually there's no new forum posts to read (or whatever) and work is more fun. Having done this so long, I can accurately gauge how long it'll take to complete a task even accounting for distractions such as reading a forum for an hour. By having these breaks every once in a while throughout the day, I remain stress-free and sane (although "sane" in this context is relative; I am not normal).
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Re: 1106: "ADD"

Postby janhunt » Mon Sep 10, 2012 6:40 pm UTC

I think people are reading more into the title than was intended. I have to question whether the ADD reference means that Randall believes in ADD as anything other than the human condition. He sees right through homeopathy, which is also an untestable, unproven myth: http://xkcd.com/765/ .
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Re: 1106: "ADD"

Postby Draco18s » Mon Sep 10, 2012 6:48 pm UTC

janhunt wrote:I think people are reading more into the title than was intended. I have to question whether the ADD reference means that Randall believes in ADD as anything other than the human condition. He sees right through homeopathy, which is also an untestable, unproven myth: http://xkcd.com/765/ .


Ironically, the homeopathy strip has it backwards. He should be diluting the birth control, not the semen.

Even so, if I were to take your comment at face value, what about bacon? Is health decline post-stove-ownership part of the human condition, too? How about veliciphobia (fear of velociraptors)? What about red spiders?
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Re: 1106: "ADD"

Postby Max™ » Mon Sep 10, 2012 7:11 pm UTC

Linux0s wrote:Feed cat comes before breathe. Feed cat comes before anything. Just ask any cat.

My cat Reggie will bitch to go outside if we don't fill his bowl the first time he yowls.

He then comes back later and deposits uneaten rodents on the porch and yowls for us until we come get them. Some people would jokingly say that is a threat.

"Hey, you see what I did to this mole? Yeah? You don't want me to do this to you, get me some food."

I honestly think Reggie assumes we must be out of food if we can't fill his bowl immediately, so he goes hunting.

If I hadn't seen how easily he moves aside and lets other cats (or dogs) into his bowl, or didn't know he spent the first 6 months of his life in a cage at a pet store, I wouldn't be so certain that he's just a really sweet cat. Still, he doesn't come beg when you're eating. He'll sit a respectable distance away and just kinda gaze at you, if you set your plate down he'll look at it but won't touch it even if you push it over to him.

You actually have to pick up something and hold it to out to him before he'll take food from you, and even then he just sniffs it or tastes it and spits it out (which was hilarious with a ramen noodle, I wish I had a gif of sniffing it, slurping it up, then spitting it back out "bluh") which is the only reason I don't get mad about people giving him samples off their plate (which is bad for pets, seriously, don't do that), but no, in his case I'd say he'd rather you eat than go hungry.

In general though, kittens are the opposite, and I've only seen momma cats go so far as to forage for others. Our little old whorecat Wynx figured out how to open cabinets, then one night I hear her trilling at the kittens, so I quietly pad into the kitchen and snatch them up before turning on the light... she dragged a bag of pinto beans out of the cabinet and "killed" it before gathering the babies to come feast.
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Re: 1106: "ADD"

Postby Draco18s » Mon Sep 10, 2012 7:19 pm UTC

My cat only wants three things in the world, two of which require human intervention and he will yowl endlessly to get.

1) To be let through the outside door (either direction)
2) Food (he will not even go check the bowl himself first)
3) To sleep

Although one might consider #4: Get rid of the damn dog.
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Re: 1106: "ADD"

Postby Max™ » Mon Sep 10, 2012 8:00 pm UTC

Don't forget "Turn off the rain", as I interpret it.

"HeyyyYyYyYYyyYyYy, the door is in the way, can you make it stop being in the way?"
*opens door* 'It's still raining, fatass.' (I lovingly call him fatass since he put on a bit of post-neutering chub)
"Hmmm, I don't think you're right, can you make the force-field door stop being in the way?"
*sighs and does so* 'It's just glass, you beautiful moron'
"Kthxbai"

*counts to 3*

"HeyyYyYyYYyyYyY, wtf dude, it's wet everywhere, even the sky!"
*lets him back in* 'Yup, it's called rain.'
*dries him off with a t-shirt or paper towel*

*counts to 10*

"HeyYyYyYyYyYYyyYyY, can you make the door stop being in the way?"
'No, it's raining.'
"Can you make it stop doing that?"
'Only if you trill cutely.'

*agitated tail wags* "Mrowr-rrrllreeorrrl?"
'Awww, ok, I'll try to make it stop.'
*flicks a lightswitch*
"Did it work?"
'Nope, that just turned off the lights in the carport, guess we'll have to get an electrician to fix that later.'
"Oh, ok, at least you tried."

*nods and goes back to my chair*
"HeyYyYyYy, can I sit in your lap and make out with your beard and belch into your neck?"
'Uh, sure.'
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Re: 1106: "ADD"

Postby Sunidesus » Mon Sep 10, 2012 8:37 pm UTC

mikrit wrote:I don't know how ADD differs from ADHD, but it seems obvious to me that her brain lacks some chemical that the Ritalin provides.


The way I think of it is that the "hyper" behavior is internal for ADDers and external for ADHDers. So an ADHDer can not sit still, they're fidgeting, they're constantly sitting down/standing up. The ADDer may look completely calm, but inside their brain is off in its own world going a million miles a minute, flitting between thoughts.

Shortly after I was finally correctly diagnosed and got meds figured out I remember talking to my mom and telling her that I felt peaceful. I could actually think.
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Re: 1106: "ADD"

Postby Adam H » Mon Sep 10, 2012 8:53 pm UTC

Lately my balloons have been like this:
Land a rocket on the moon in KSP
Orbit the moon then return to earth in KSP
Orbit the earth and then land the rocket back near the launch pad in KSP
See how far away I can get before coming back and crash landing into earth in KSP
See if I can get to the sun in KSP
See how high I can get before landing on the launchpad in KSP
Land the rocket on the tower next to the launchpad in KSP
Land the rocket on the vehicle production building in KSP
Crash the rocket on the runway in KSP
Build the greatest rocket ever in KSP
Build a rocket that is somewhat stable but spins wildly in KSP
Build a rocket that explodes spectacularly upon takeoff in KSP

Damn you Kerbal Space Program!
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Re: 1106: "ADD"

Postby Max™ » Mon Sep 10, 2012 8:59 pm UTC

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TaBkCDtt-7o
I love the one where they survive the rocket immediately diving into the ground after takeoff.
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Re: 1106: "ADD"

Postby scotty2haughty » Mon Sep 10, 2012 9:35 pm UTC

Yeah I definitely have ADD. Last night I tried to juggle homework, a game on my laptop, and watching a movie all at once.
All while talking to my wife on the phone.
I guess I need a sig...
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