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1134: "Logic Boat"

Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 5:07 am UTC
by rhomboidal
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Title Text: Or a cabbage, for that matter. The goat makes sense. Goats are fine.

I'm sure the wolf has little pigs and girls in red riding hoods filling its schedule anyway.

Re: 1134: "Logic Boat"

Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 5:10 am UTC
by Sir_Read-a-Lot
This is why you present this problem with a dog, a chicken, and bird seed.

Re: 1134: "Logic Boat"

Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 5:11 am UTC
by reegee
The goat isn't just fine, the goat is awesome!!

Re: 1134: "Logic Boat"

Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 5:25 am UTC
by gormster
Here's a real problem: what kind of cabbage occupies the same volume of space as a goat and a wolf?

Re: 1134: "Logic Boat"

Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 5:40 am UTC
by Trimalchio
Are you going to make us say it?

Because winter is coming.

Re: 1134: "Logic Boat"

Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 5:44 am UTC
by gd1
Assumption: The stick is sturdy (not unreasonable as it's securing a boat)

Tie the goat to the stick in the ground.

Take the wolf across
Take the cabbage across
Untie the goat and take the goat across

:D

Re: 1134: "Logic Boat"

Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 5:48 am UTC
by Velexia
lol... I love the look the wolf is giving to the cabbage.

How about this logic boat:

You have a Ninja, a Pirate, and a Dinosaur.

The Dinosaur can't see the Ninja, because it has some frog DNA and can't see things that don't move. The Ninja is good at not moving.

The Dinosaur however, will eat the Pirate.

The Ninja and the Pirate will kill each other.

The Ninja will kill anyone it is alone with, except the Dinosaur.

Re: 1134: "Logic Boat"

Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 5:50 am UTC
by Sprocket
I started to read it, and before I continued I reminded myself of the solution, and had the thought "why do you have a wolf? Wouldn't it just run away anyway? Are wolves really useful to farmers?" Not sure why I decided you are a farmer in this puzzle, maybe the first time it was told to me it was "a farmer has..."
Then I continued reading the comic.

Re: 1134: "Logic Boat"

Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 6:02 am UTC
by rockachu2
Step One: train the wolf. (now dog)
Step Two: take goat across with you
Step Three: leave goat and return alone
Step Four: grab dog and cross
Step Five: send dog back alone
Step Six: watch your dog pick up the cabbage and place it in the boat, and return.


You could also tie a bone to the cabbage.
Goat ->
<- you
-> you + cabbage+bone
<- empty boat
-> wolf

Re: 1134: "Logic Boat"

Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 6:11 am UTC
by rpgamer
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My cabbages!

Re: 1134: "Logic Boat"

Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 6:20 am UTC
by Elmach
Velexia wrote:lol... I love the look the wolf is giving to the cabbage.

How about this logic boat:

You have a Ninja, a Pirate, and a Dinosaur.

The Dinosaur can't see the Ninja, because it has some frog DNA and can't see things that don't move. The Ninja is good at not moving.

The Dinosaur however, will eat the Pirate.

The Ninja and the Pirate will kill each other.

The Ninja will kill anyone it is alone with, except the Dinosaur.


Impossible, unless the Ninja doesn't kill while in a boat.

Re: 1134: "Logic Boat"

Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 6:26 am UTC
by Milnoc
What if the wolf was a vegetarian?

Re: 1134: "Logic Boat"

Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 6:38 am UTC
by Djehutynakht
Elmach wrote:
Impossible, unless the Ninja doesn't kill while in a boat.



It's simple. You merely have him run across the water.

Because he's a ninja and he can do that.


Anyways, I protest.

Why would you not have a wolf?

Re: 1134: "Logic Boat"

Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 6:47 am UTC
by richman1c
Why did you have a wolf?

Because your boss made it a requirement. You sat in on the meetings for what was required to travel. You made your case that the wolf was not only unnecessary, but also a liability, yet upper management refused to budge on the issue. Therefore you have no choice but to accept the fact that the wolf must accompany you.

Welcome to the real world.

Re: 1134: "Logic Boat"

Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 6:51 am UTC
by Velexia
Elmach wrote:Impossible, unless the Ninja doesn't kill while in a boat.


Oh she most certainly does. But it's not impossible, just silly.
Spoiler:
First, take the Pirate. The Dinosaur and the Ninja won't kill each other. She likes Dinosaurs.
Then go back and grab the Dinosaur. The Ninja has no one to kill, the Dinosaur won't eat you because (whatever reason you want).
Now send the Dinosaur back alone, to pick up the Ninja. Clever girl...


This also works, lol...
Spoiler:
It's simple. You merely have him run across the water.

Because he's a ninja and he can do that.

Re: 1134: "Logic Boat"

Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 6:53 am UTC
by phlip
richman1c wrote:Why did you have a wolf?

Because your boss made it a requirement. You sat in on the meetings for what was required to travel. You made your case that the wolf was not only unnecessary, but also a liability, yet upper management refused to budge on the issue. Therefore you have no choice but to accept the fact that the wolf must accompany you.

Welcome to the real world.

Whereas the management that forced you to carry a wolf's weight in cabbage, and only gave you a boat capable of carrying one of them were probably different people who don't communicate with each other. Yeah, I've been on projects like that.

Re: 1134: "Logic Boat"

Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 7:08 am UTC
by StClair
"Why do we even have that lever?!"

Re: 1134: "Logic Boat"

Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 7:17 am UTC
by gd1
richman1c wrote:Why did you have a wolf?

Because your boss made it a requirement. You sat in on the meetings for what was required to travel. You made your case that the wolf was not only unnecessary, but also a liability, yet upper management refused to budge on the issue. Therefore you have no choice but to accept the fact that the wolf must accompany you.

Welcome to the real world.


gd1 wrote:Assumption: The stick is sturdy (not unreasonable as it's securing a boat)

Tie the goat to the stick in the ground.

Take the wolf across
Take the cabbage across
Untie the goat and take the goat across

:D


A day in the life of a project manager (I'm only in 1 class so far (and it's not even my major but yeah)).

Re: 1134: "Logic Boat"

Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 7:39 am UTC
by Velexia
Depending on the goat's desire for the cabbage, it might eat the rope (and the stick??), and then the cabbage. He is seen to have tied up the goat, to keep it from wandering I suppose.

Re: 1134: "Logic Boat"

Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 7:43 am UTC
by marcgaston
Because the wolf is so cute, of course.

Re: 1134: "Logic Boat"

Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 7:59 am UTC
by da Doctah
Milnoc wrote:What if the wolf was a vegetarian?
Never mind that. What if the goat was a man-eating zombie goat? Did you ever think about that? Huh?

Re: 1134: "Logic Boat"

Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 8:03 am UTC
by TranquilFury
Step 2.5:

Somebody stole my goat!

Re: 1134: "Logic Boat"

Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 8:21 am UTC
by Leyaena
Surprised the real solution hasn't been posted yet...

1: take goat across
2: return alone
3: take cabbage across
4: return with goat
5: take wolf across
6: return alone
7: take goat across

Re: 1134: "Logic Boat"

Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 8:51 am UTC
by ArthurD
I think the solution is:

Take the Goat across return alone.
Take the Cabbage across return with the Goat.
Take the wolf across return alone.
Take the Goat across.

You're done.

Re: 1134: "Logic Boat"

Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 9:15 am UTC
by Linux0s
Great comic but not based on reality:

"Hi... I've come to visit you with a goat and a cabbage."

"Great... where's the wolf?"

Re: 1134: "Logic Boat"

Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 9:19 am UTC
by orthogon
rhomboidal wrote:Title Text: Or a cabbage, for that matter.


Obviously you are planning on making Cabbage with goats' cheese and garlic butter

Re: 1134: "Logic Boat"

Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 9:28 am UTC
by Klear
Velexia wrote:
Elmach wrote:Impossible, unless the Ninja doesn't kill while in a boat.


Oh she most certainly does. But it's not impossible, just silly.
Spoiler:
First, take the Pirate. The Dinosaur and the Ninja won't kill each other. She likes Dinosaurs.
Then go back and grab the Dinosaur. The Ninja has no one to kill, the Dinosaur won't eat you because (whatever reason you want).
Now send the Dinosaur back alone, to pick up the Ninja. Clever girl...


That's bullshit - the rules clearly say that the dino cannot see the ninja.

In any case, if the clause from the original that states that when you are present nobody is eating/killing anybody is in effect, then the solution is the same as the original riddle, just treat the pirate as a goat.

Re: 1134: "Logic Boat"

Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 10:02 am UTC
by JeromeWest
Klear wrote:...the solution is the same as the original riddle, just treat the pirate as a goat.


In my experience, pirates get very annoyed when you treat them as goats.

Re: 1134: "Logic Boat"

Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 10:39 am UTC
by Velexia
Klear wrote:That's bullshit - the rules clearly say that the dino cannot see the ninja.

In any case, if the clause from the original that states that when you are present nobody is eating/killing anybody is in effect, then the solution is the same as the original riddle, just treat the pirate as a goat.



lol =) Yeah but who says the Dinosaur has to see the Ninja, to paddle the boat across the river and then back? The Ninja hops aboard while the Dinosaur is busy preparing to head back =)

The main difference is that if you take the Ninja in the boat, the Ninja will kill you.

Re: 1134: "Logic Boat"

Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 10:48 am UTC
by Klear
Velexia wrote:The main difference is that if you take the Ninja in the boat, the Ninja will kill you.


And once the ninja gets across the water he won't kill you because...?

Nah, annoying pirates by treating them as goats is the way to go. That is, by the way, a correct response to any conceivable problem.

Re: 1134: "Logic Boat"

Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 11:48 am UTC
by rmsgrey
For some reason, Wikipedia knows this one as the "Fox, goose and bag of beans puzzle", though it does note that wolf, goat, cabbage is the oldest known form.

Re: 1134: "Logic Boat"

Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 12:03 pm UTC
by kryton
Ask the wolf what the goat would tell you to do, then do the opposite...
wait this isn't a neutrino detector...hmmm

Re: 1134: "Logic Boat"

Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 1:11 pm UTC
by jpk
Or a cabbage, for that matter. The goat makes sense. Goats are fine.


Goat stew without cabbage < goat stew with cabbage

Re: 1134: "Logic Boat"

Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 1:13 pm UTC
by JustDoug
Velexia wrote:lol... I love the look the wolf is giving to the cabbage.

How about this logic boat:

...

The Ninja will kill anyone it is alone with, except the Dinosaur.


You've overlooked one little thing. What happens when you're alone in the boat with the Ninja?

Re: 1134: "Logic Boat"

Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 1:20 pm UTC
by EpicanicusStrikes
JustDoug wrote:You've overlooked one little thing. What happens when you're alone in the boat with the Ninja?

It's been suggested that you just have the Ninja water-walk over to the other side and not use the boat. It was then further suggested that the Ninja will kill you when you reach the other side.

But they've overlooked one major thing; you're a Ninja, too, and a better one at that. Kill the Ninja. Kill the Pirate. Kill the Dinosaur. Move down-river and kill the goat, the cabbage and the middle-manager trying to figure out how to row a boat. Take the wolf as an animal companion and then go kill the village that's been buying all these things on Amazon so the madness can finally stop.

Re: 1134: "Logic Boat"

Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 1:20 pm UTC
by mmmCatSoup
gormster wrote:Here's a real problem: what kind of cabbage occupies the same volume of space as a goat and a wolf?


The world's largest.
WorldsLargestCabbage.jpg

Obviously the man in the comic has grown a gigantic cabbage for the local state fair. Otherwise why would he place such importance on it?


Alternatively, it could be a regular cabbage, a baby goat, and a baby wolf.

Re: 1134: "Logic Boat"

Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 1:21 pm UTC
by peewee_RotA
After solving the boat puzzle, you encounter a roaming group of level 12 were-bunnies. Your druid goes from lawful good to lawful evil for 24 hours for abandoning his trusty wolf. Your magical cabbage of smiting no longer works with your new alignment. The were-bunnies jump and bite your head off. Tim the enchanter laughs.

Wolves are awesome.

Re: 1134: "Logic Boat"

Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 1:27 pm UTC
by mathmannix
What the frack? Nobody, not even wikipedia, knows this as the "fox-rooster-worm" problem, as given by the Jester?

Re: 1134: "Logic Boat"

Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 1:40 pm UTC
by cellocgw
Leyaena wrote:Surprised the real solution hasn't been posted yet...

1: take goat across
2: return alone
3: take cabbage across
4: return with goat
5: take wolf across
6: return alone
7: take goat across

Really? You're surprised? I'm surprised that you would think anyone nerdy enough to be in this forum hasn't seen this problem almost Infinity times already. Next you'll tell us the solution to the U-2 + bridge crossing problem.

Re: 1134: "Logic Boat"

Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 1:41 pm UTC
by Tormuse
Velexia wrote:You have a Ninja, a Pirate, and a Dinosaur...
Spoiler:
The Dinosaur can't see the Ninja, because it has some frog DNA and can't see things that don't move. The Ninja is good at not moving.

The Dinosaur however, will eat the Pirate.

The Ninja and the Pirate will kill each other.

The Ninja will kill anyone it is alone with, except the Dinosaur.


Some people say it's unsolvable because the ninja will kill you when the two of you are alone in the boat, but I have an alternative solution:

You cross with the pirate first, then return alone.

The ninja and the dinosaur cross together and then the three of them continue their journey without you, leaving you stranded forever. (Hey, the puzzle was just about how to get those three across, right?)

...

...or I suppose the pirate could come back for you, but you would have to depend on them coming to the correct decision without you; if they do it wrong and the ninja comes back for you, both you and the pirate are doomed! ...And then the ninja and dinosaur would continue their journey together.