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1165: "Amazon"

Postby Quicksilver » Fri Jan 25, 2013 7:37 am UTC

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Alt Text: "Amazon.com took a surprise early lead with 'Time required to transport a package from Iquitos, Peru to Manaus, Brazil' but then lost it at 'Minutes to skeletonize a cow'."
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Re: 1165: "Amazon"

Postby Carlington » Fri Jan 25, 2013 7:40 am UTC

Is the page rendering weirdly for anyone else? I thought it might've been a caching issue, but I cleared that and no change. The comic seems to overhang the right edge of its assigned frame by a good chunk.
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Re: 1165: "Amazon"

Postby rhomboidal » Fri Jan 25, 2013 7:43 am UTC

No contest, unless amazon.com also starts offering live freshwater dolphins -- with free two-day shipping.

(And yeah, is the image supposed to overflow on purpose?)

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Re: 1165: "Amazon"

Postby Quicksilver » Fri Jan 25, 2013 7:43 am UTC

Carlington wrote:Is the page rendering weirdly for anyone else? I thought it might've been a caching issue, but I cleared that and no change. The comic seems to overhang the right edge of its assigned frame by a good chunk.
I suspect it was intentional, it loads the same way for me.

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Re: 1165: "Amazon"

Postby randybruder » Fri Jan 25, 2013 7:51 am UTC

That's weird, I'm in Iquitos, Peru right now for only this weekend visiting my sister who is getting married.

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Re: 1165: "Amazon"

Postby wiserd911 » Fri Jan 25, 2013 8:11 am UTC

Amazon does have cow skeletons, though. http://www.amazon.com/Cow-Skeleton-on-Wooden-Base/dp/B003T3R3GO/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1359101125&sr=8-1&keywords=cow+skeleton

(now watch as searches for cow skeletons on amazon skyrocket. )

There are guides for the care and feeding of pirhanas on amazon, but no actual, live fish for sale that I could find.

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Re: 1165: "Amazon"

Postby Bernkastel » Fri Jan 25, 2013 9:08 am UTC

So what were the results for 'Time required to get rocket to space' or 'Ability to light up the moon'?

(The comic seems to appear just fine for me. I even tried a hard-refresh.)

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Re: 1165: "Amazon"

Postby shvedsky » Fri Jan 25, 2013 9:16 am UTC

They fixed it. It was bigger, and didn't fit into the page properly.

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Re: 1165: "Amazon"

Postby Carlington » Fri Jan 25, 2013 9:21 am UTC

Ahh, it fits much better now. Origatou, ninja-desu.

This comic would probably strike me as funnier if I wasn't in such a funk.
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Re: 1165: "Amazon"

Postby Randomness » Fri Jan 25, 2013 9:26 am UTC

How is that out flow measured (for .com)? Is it only the amazon warehouse or does it include the private sellers? And .9 cubic meter a second is quite impressive. but then I have nothing to relate it to, something like ikea might beat it if only by having larger things to ship.

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Re: 1165: "Amazon"

Postby Xenomortis » Fri Jan 25, 2013 10:07 am UTC

Randomness wrote:How is that out flow measured (for .com)? Is it only the amazon warehouse or does it include the private sellers? And .9 cubic meter a second is quite impressive. but then I have nothing to relate it to, something like ikea might beat it if only by having larger things to ship.


:roll:

Ikea make a point to minimise the volume of what they ship. :wink:
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Re: 1165: "Amazon"

Postby Wingman4l7 » Fri Jan 25, 2013 12:06 pm UTC

I can't find the Far Side cartoon of the cows in explorer outfits crossing the piranha-infested river, but it's just as well, because Gary Larson doesn't like having his cartoons on the internet.

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Re: 1165: "Amazon"

Postby grafzero » Fri Jan 25, 2013 12:46 pm UTC

When I recently heard in media that "something something is so big compared to volume flow of Amazon" I thought of shop, and though - damn, THAT IS A LOT OF PACKAGES per second...

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Re: 1165: "Amazon"

Postby mathmannix » Fri Jan 25, 2013 1:48 pm UTC

Amazon.com will deliver Piranha to me tomorrow if I order by 6:30 tonight.

Of course, that's the DVD of Piranha with Elizabeth Shue and Jerry O'Connell. Haven't seen it, but he'll always be Quinn Mallory to me!
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Re: 1165: "Amazon"

Postby scienceguy8 » Fri Jan 25, 2013 2:06 pm UTC

Wingman4l7 wrote:I can't find the Far Side cartoon of the cows in explorer outfits crossing the piranha-infested river, but it's just as well, because Gary Larson doesn't like having his cartoons on the internet.

I thought it was Mr. and Mrs. Potato Head crossing a river, with a sign in the far bank reading "Warning: Vegetarian Parana?"

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Re: 1165: "Amazon"

Postby TimXCampbell » Fri Jan 25, 2013 3:21 pm UTC

I was waiting to see if somebody else would post this, but I guess it falls to me:

http://www.cracked.com/article/105_the- ... -facts_p2/

That article claims that what we know about piranhas rapidly stripping cows down to the chassis is somewhat exaggerated.

I still wouldn't want to own one as a pet. I've seen their teeth. Those aren't vegetarians.

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Re: 1165: "Amazon"

Postby gmalivuk » Fri Jan 25, 2013 4:42 pm UTC

scienceguy8 wrote:
Wingman4l7 wrote:I can't find the Far Side cartoon of the cows in explorer outfits crossing the piranha-infested river, but it's just as well, because Gary Larson doesn't like having his cartoons on the internet.

I thought it was Mr. and Mrs. Potato Head crossing a river, with a sign in the far bank reading "Warning: Vegetarian Parana?"
And of course there was only ever the one comic about piranas, too...
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Re: 1165: "Amazon"

Postby Fire Brns » Fri Jan 25, 2013 4:49 pm UTC

TimXCampbell wrote:I still wouldn't want to own one as a pet. I've seen their teeth. Those aren't vegetarians.

But how will you intimidate our enemies as you hold them captive in your secret base?
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Re: 1165: "Amazon"

Postby dantman » Fri Jan 25, 2013 4:54 pm UTC

TimXCampbell wrote:I was waiting to see if somebody else would post this, but I guess it falls to me:

http://www.cracked.com/article/105_the- ... -facts_p2/

That article claims that what we know about piranhas rapidly stripping cows down to the chassis is somewhat exaggerated.

I still wouldn't want to own one as a pet. I've seen their teeth. Those aren't vegetarians.

You don't need to waver on simple claims from one site. It's a plain and simple fact that our perceptions of piranhas are exaggerated. Most of the popularity of Piranhas comes from Hollywood. And you know Hollywood just loves to repetitively regurgitate every false piece of information that comes their way they think would be interesting in a story. Reality be damned.

And yes, even the Wikipedia article covers this fact:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piranha#L ... reputation

Yes, Piranhas are not vegetarians. They are omnivorous scavengers. They prey on dead and dying fish, like Owls, Vultures, Raccoons, and Yellowjackets do. Basically Piranhas are the Vultures of the water. And naturally -- like any non-herbivore -- when they are hungry and can't sustain themselves on the dead and dying... they will resort to hunting what they need to survive.

Oh, also they apparently don't school to hunt. But instead for protection from their own predators.

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Re: 1165: "Amazon"

Postby CharlieBing » Fri Jan 25, 2013 5:30 pm UTC

scienceguy8 wrote:
Wingman4l7 wrote:I can't find the Far Side cartoon of the cows in explorer outfits crossing the piranha-infested river, but it's just as well, because Gary Larson doesn't like having his cartoons on the internet.

I thought it was Mr. and Mrs. Potato Head crossing a river, with a sign in the far bank reading "Warning: Vegetarian Parana?"


It went something like this... two tourist cows in the jungle, one has a guidebook and is reading aloud, "Hold on, Niles, it says these little fish have been known to skeletonize a cow in less than two minutes. Now there's a vivid thought."

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Re: 1165: "Amazon"

Postby Envelope Generator » Fri Jan 25, 2013 5:39 pm UTC

What does the "Round 14" at the top mean?
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Re: 1165: "Amazon"

Postby mathmannix » Fri Jan 25, 2013 5:42 pm UTC

Envelope Generator wrote:What does the "Round 14" at the top mean?


Round 14 of [implied] one-on-comparisons. Two of the previous include those mentioned in the alt-text: "Time required to transport a package from Iquitos, Peru to Manaus, Brazil" (won by website) and "Minutes to skeletonize a cow" (won by river).

I also like to think that "number of annual visitors" was probably in there, also being won by the website. Not certain about "Number of spoken languages", however.
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Re: 1165: "Amazon"

Postby 0zymandias » Fri Jan 25, 2013 7:07 pm UTC

Is it bad that I only know where Iquitos and Manaus are from Amazon Trail?

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Re: 1165: "Amazon"

Postby Yupa » Fri Jan 25, 2013 7:19 pm UTC

0zymandias wrote:Is it bad that I only know where Iquitos and Manaus are from Amazon Trail?


Is it bad that I know more about Iquitos the Amazon.com software than Iquitos the place?

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Re: 1165: "Amazon"

Postby keithl » Fri Jan 25, 2013 10:13 pm UTC

Any sources for the "0.9 cubic meters per second" number? Cardboard box purchases? Trucks leaving fulfillment centers? It doesn't show up in the few press releases I've seen. It works out to 28 million cubic meters per year.

Amazon.com usually ships small items in much larger boxes, so they mostly ship air. We bought about 0.5 cubic meters of air from them in 2012, and they have hundreds of millions of customers worldwide, so Randall's number seems approximately right. They have more than 2 million square meters of warehouse space, assuming half is occupied to an average 4 meter height, and the average turnover is 6x/year, the number again seems approximately right. But why is it 0.9, instead of 2 or 1 or 0.5? Where's the source data?

Global container shipping is around 600 million TEU a year, where a TEU is a "twenty foot equivalent unit" of about 40 cubic meters. That is approximately 800 cubic meters per second of container volume. Bulk cargo like grain and oil and coal are more voluminous; total global freight from oxcarts to supertankers is thousands of times Amazon.com's volume. Amazon.com is small potatoes compared to, say, potatoes (320 million tonnes in 2010).

Average global precipitation is about a meter per year, 500 trillion cubic meters per year worldwide, 16 million cubic meters per second, or only 70 times Randall's number for the Amazon river. So, the Amazon river's volumetric market share is much larger than Amazon.com's market share.

I guess that is why Bezos is funding space company Blue Origin. If they can "deliver" billions of cubic kilometers of space, they can improve their volumetric ranking.

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Re: 1165: "Amazon"

Postby shvedsky » Sat Jan 26, 2013 3:26 am UTC

keithl wrote:Amazon.com usually ships small items in much larger boxes, so they mostly ship air.


Given that the estimate of oxygen in river water should be around 0.1-1%, Amazon still ships more air than Amazon.com.

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Re: 1165: "Amazon"

Postby dmaust » Sat Jan 26, 2013 5:22 am UTC

The comic looks as if it's not to scale. The area of the front face of the river is around 25,564 square pixels; however the pile of Amazon stuff has an area of around 176 pixels in the left panel. Based on the only way the volumes could have the ratio of 220,000 to 0.9 would be if the river was 1682.9 times deeper than the Amazon items, which would be unrealistic since the other dimensions are 7.5:1 on the width and 19.25:1 on the height. A ratio of 1682.9:1 for the depth of the two would be unrealistic.

If we were to assume each was a cube, the pile of Amazon stuff would need to be less than 3 pixels on each dimension.

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Re: 1165: "Amazon"

Postby gmalivuk » Sat Jan 26, 2013 7:45 am UTC

Of course it's not the same scale in both pictures.

Instead of counting pixels, just note the size of the dolphin and the fact that the edge of the water tank extends above the frame in the right panel.
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Re: 1165: "Amazon"

Postby dmaust » Sat Jan 26, 2013 8:48 am UTC

Nevermind. I'm blind. At first I thought the car and guy in the left panel was the same as the pile of Amazon stuff in the right panel.

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Re: 1165: "Amazon"

Postby eculc » Mon Jan 28, 2013 3:40 am UTC

I think this comic only applies if you count shipping time against AmazonTM. if you don't I'm pretty sure the items at their disposal could skeletonize a cow faster than the river.
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Re: 1165: "Amazon"

Postby Doodle77 » Tue Jan 29, 2013 8:44 pm UTC

The difference in length should be only 56:1 (220000^(1/3))

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Re: 1165: "Amazon"

Postby gmalivuk » Wed Jan 30, 2013 1:41 am UTC

Doodle77 wrote:The difference in length should be only 56:1 (220000^(1/3))
Considering that 60^3 = 216000 < 220000, you made a mistake somewhere.
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Re: 1165: "Amazon"

Postby bmonk » Thu Jan 31, 2013 9:51 pm UTC

This comic is true as far as it goes--but will the Amazon River deliver a live bobcat?
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Re: 1165: "Amazon"

Postby ijuin » Fri Feb 01, 2013 9:23 am UTC

Bobcats are native to North America and not commonly found in the Amazon River's area of service. They would have to be imported.

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Re: 1165: "Amazon"

Postby speising » Fri Feb 01, 2013 7:15 pm UTC

The Amazon delivers piranhas, though. I call it a tie.

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Re: 1165: "Amazon"

Postby Mikeski » Sun Feb 03, 2013 7:03 am UTC

speising wrote:The Amazon delivers piranhas, though. I call it a tie.

Also: anacondas, and those little parasitic fish that swim up your business.

Inducing fear... advantage: Amazon River.

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Re: 1165: "Amazon"

Postby rmsgrey » Sun Feb 03, 2013 4:53 pm UTC

bmonk wrote:This comic is true as far as it goes--but will the Amazon River deliver a live bobcat?


Is it a pro or a con that it's unlikely to?

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Re: 1165: "Amazon"

Postby bmonk » Tue Feb 05, 2013 8:53 pm UTC

rmsgrey wrote:
bmonk wrote:This comic is true as far as it goes--but will the Amazon River deliver a live bobcat?


Is it a pro or a con that it's unlikely to?

Yes.
Having become a Wizard on n.p. 2183, the Yellow Piggy retroactively appointed his honorable self a Temporal Wizardly Piggy on n.p.1488, not to be effective until n.p. 2183, thereby avoiding a partial temporal paradox. Since he couldn't afford two philosophical PhDs to rule on the title.


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