Fractal_Tangent wrote: Angua wrote:
Fractal_Tangent wrote:I think I'm a little bit confused, why is sitting next to a woman the issue? I thought touching was the problem? Surely if touching is the issue you could just talk to the woman next to you and say something like:
'Hi, because I'm Orthodox Jewish, I'd really appreciate it if you could refrain from touching me unnecessarily, thank you'
Would that solve the problem?
It's quite hard to sit next to someone on a plane without touching them the entire time.
Point taken. In which case I think the whole thing dissolves down to this: if you're asking me to switch places with someone because of reasons that I don't agree with which imply that I am the problem, I'm going to be more insulted than anything.
I think this boils down to communicating like an adult, which frankly, orthodox men don't seem to be able to do.
If you get on a plane and realize the person you're seated next to violates some personal rule of yours, I think it's more than acceptable to say "My apologies, but my religion does not allow me to sit next to members of the opposite sex, I don't mean to offend you, but I will be seeking to switch seats"
Of course, there are hosts of other issues here too - what if the person you identified as a woman is actually a dude and is offended you'd say as much? What if you identify a good 'ol dude to sit next to, but it's actually a woman? What if you were just honest and admitted that your archaic views are yours and yours alone and your inability to function in the modern world because you hide behind a thin excuse of religiously sanctioned sexism no longer cut it in today's world, but you wanted your cake and to eat it to?
I'm all for 'dressing respectfully' when entering the home/country/neighborhood of another culture. But airplanes are pretty much public spaces, and if you've got a problem with how someone conducts themselves in a public space, frankly, that's your own damn issue and you should endeavor to get the fuck over it.
EDIT: I just remembered a faux pas I committed years ago with an orthodox couple, where he smiled, introduced himself, shook my hand, and then gestured to his wife and introduced her. She smiled and said hello, I extended my hand to shake hers, and she didn't reach for it. Instead, he smiled broader, asked something perfectly friendly and reasonable about what I was studying or something, and smoothly grabbed my hand and shook it again. The whole thing took all of 5s, and aside from me feeling like I should have known better, no one batted an eye or cried foul.
Peoples, for real, if your beliefs prevent you from operating in modern society, it's not the job of modern society to cater to your beliefs.
... with gigantic melancholies and gigantic mirth, to tread the jeweled thrones of the Earth under his sandalled feet.