leady wrote:Why would women want to share bathrooms with men ? Have you seen the state we leave ours in and oh lordy the smells....
Two weeks as the store cleaner at a supermarket. Had to clean the grocery aisles with one set of kit, the store in general with another and the toilets with a third, all colour-coded. The male toilets had urine splatters on the floor under the urinals every single time. They did not, however, have used tampons on the floor.
I think we have a problem of habitually making a big deal out of things. In the UK, people dress provocatively, scandalously or conservatively. On French beaches, women sunbathe topless and nobody minds because it's normal there. In Germany, a man rides his motorcycle wearing only flip-flops and gets charged with failure to wear a helmet but nobody cares about the nudity, and there's a sign in the
sauna saying Schwimmkleidungen verboten
because getting your swimming costume all sweaty then taking it into the pool would be disgusting. In the USA, a singer's nipple is visible as a single pink pixel for 0.6 seconds and people spend hours discussing the psychological impact of that on the children who saw it on TV.
Breast-feeding's natural. You can say women should have a place to do this natural thing where people won't stare and drool. Fair enough, but they should never be made
to go out of sight to do it. "Yes, bloke, women do indeed have breasts. Well noticed. Now move along, will you?" We make far too big a deal of it.
I don't actually believe men and women are The SameTM
. There are some differences, in general
. In a fifty-axis plot, there would be two 50-dimensional clouds with dense centres and vague, thinner "edges" plus outlying points, and there'd be a lot of overlap but there'd also be spaces where the densities of the two were very different. I do think there's a lot more overlap than some bishops, rabbis or mullahs would make out. I also think that focus on the differences ("Oh me yarm BOOBIES!" "Aaaaah, a penis! RUN!" "Yikes! That person has no Adam's apple! Creepy!" "Mmmmmm, peeeenisss.") is foolish and emphasises a false dichotomy.
"False dichotomy? You mean people aren't one or the other?"
I do indeed. For a start, we've got the sex v gender thing, where someone can have been physically examined at birth and identified as one but identify as the other, so it's a two-way dichotomy. More than that, though, it's not a di
chotomy when you take into account that XY, XXY, XXXY, XXXXY, XO and XX genotypes present more than two possibilities and people don't
have to identify as one or the other. Well, they don't unless society tells them to, but why should they? Why shouldn't men wear skirts, frilly pastel blouses, lace-trimmed floral dresses, bobble socks or whatever? Why shouldn't women wear trousers, plain shirts, neckties, sensible shoes, stetson or trilby hats, tailcoats or whatever?
Maybe we're the first generations who've made friends over the internet, playing Asheron's Call or City of Heroes with strangers and communicating only in text, seeing the default "male" or "female" set of polygons and knowing
that the character's physical sex makes no difference at all and isn't indicative of the player's sex, gender or orientation, and learned to judge the playstyle, the talent for casting the right spell on the right person at the right time, the tactical acumen and so on instead of the hairstyle, the make-up, the curves, the shoulders, the depth of the voice or whatever else. Maybe it's past time the rest of the world caught up.
Oh, Willie McBride, it was all done in vain.