sardia wrote: Tyndmyr wrote:
sardia wrote:Assuming those white less educated voters were being truthful, the fact that the economy wasn't very important needs an asterisk. The economy wasn't very important to the country overall, but it was important(aka doing bad) to that subgroup. *
*this assumes the poor economy for uneducated whites was why they voted for Trump.
Economy was the most commonly cited very important issue in that source. I don't think there's any qualifier needed as a result, and the conclusion that the economy wasn't very important to the country overall is questionable.
Looking backward, we see similar numbers too. They show us that it was also about the same level of importance in 2008. So, the lesson that other things can be thrown under the bus so long as you cater to the big, important issues likely has broader relevance.
It's not like either campaign threw issues under the bus. More like, you campaign on said economic issues, but the people you appoint for policy do other stuff that's tangential to economic issues.
In the sense that Trump did not bother with any of the things identified in the previous post-mortems, they kind of did. Could the Republican party benefit from minority appeal? I'd say yes. That's still a valid strategic observation. Trump, however, did not do anything for that. At least not directly, and it certainly did not appear to be a priority.
Trump cutting taxes and dumping environmental regulations isn't going to save many coal worker jobs. But since he ran on it, coal workers may have voted for him anyway.
Or they were concerned about their own status because their benchmark, how well minorites are doing relatively, looked worse. To get back on topic, racism may not win elections but that doesn't mean it's not important. Just like how global warming opponents lost, it doesn't mean they were wrong about global warming.
Many? Nah. But any gains at all can be hailed as progress. They haven't seen anything for ages, and if the other party is offering them only continued, harder times, then even modest gains are a comparative win.
Relatively doing worse is not something I hear a lot about, save from the left, looking for justifications. Now, sure, if minorities were doing amazingly better, envy is totally a rational thing to expect...but that doesn't really represent the situation. Many of these towns have effectively no diversity to begin with, so how they are doing locally isn't seen as terribly connected to anything to do with race. Certainly, the Democrat preference for non-coal energy sources doesn't obviously connect up with anything race specific. It seems like a really strange desire to attribute negative motives to the opposition.
Sure, electability isn't truth, but it indicates a great deal about tactics. Those used with regards to racism are simply not working. This indicates that at least some assumptions are wrong. And frankly, I see very little willingness to re-examine those assumptions.
Trump did play on white identity fears. "the country is becoming the other, only by voting Trump can the world go back to the old days when white men won bread. You were happier then, and less happy now. " That I expect. It's just that the rest of the GOP thought it was OK to let Trump win. Remember, not Trump voters hated Trump and Trump got almost all of the GOP establishment vote. They knew he was sexists, authoritarian, and traded in racism but they still voted for him. If anything, the GOP establishment is less racist then the GOP voter since they kept abandoning Trump in anticipation of the GOP revolt that never happened against Trump.
Eh, a lot of this was just nostalgia. The whole "remember a better time that never happened". The fact that said time was actually worse for other people is never relevant to that. People telling you how music was better before "point where they became old" are engaging in basically the same logical error. The good stuff gets remembered, and a lot of the forgettable crap has been forgotten.
Sure, everyone was willing to ignore Trump's racism, etc in order to vote for what they wanted. This is not equivalent to actively desiring racism, etc, no matter how much the left wishes it was.
Expecting the former not to exist is expecting racism to be a single issue for voters. And it isn't, and hasn't usually been, and I don't see why we should expect it. The whole expectation does not seem reasonable, and excoriating the electorate for not matching this expectation seems...odd.