Just my two cents before reading the thread in depth. I fall squarely in your 17 and under demographic, and I can completely understand what you are saying. A lot of us are either too attention-challenged, immature, or careless to try and discuss an issue in a rational way. I know, cause I send eight hours a day with them. I certainly don't exclude myself from our collective shortcomings either. I know there are many times where I've posted completely BS in threads beyond me in maturity, if not intellect, or have been slow to realize where I've been wrong. The absolute certainty of one's convictions is sort of the teenage condition.
would be remiss to categorically state that ALL teenagers ALL the time fall victim to these shortcomings. I know on the rare occasions that my philosophy or LA classes are sufficiently awake, fed, and caffeinated, teenagers can have some inspired, or at least interesting and sensible discussions.
As I'm sure everyone has stated though, nominal distribution over the various demographics tells us that there are going to be a few teenagers with the intellectual abilities and maturity of a 50-year-old Ivy League professor, and there are going to be some stupefying immature asshats of adults. Compare, say, the wisest, most mature person from your high-school years to a fundie. Yea.
-Drew K. (16 y/o, private school educated, if that makes a difference.)
Edit: Lots of people seem concerned not so much with the precise mental state of teenagers, but their ability to communicate or argue effectively. I can say that I, for one, take great pride in my spelling and word choice, and perhaps a few creative liberties with grammar
. However, I think a lot of my fellows are too used to IM and text, which is rapidly becoming its own language, and are incapable of mentally switching gears to a more formal manner of writing which this board especially demands.
Secondly, unsubstantiated arguments are an issue for all age groups, not just teenagers. Everyone says something completely untenable sometime, it's just a question of taking the effort to identify those things and shut your mouth before it comes out.
Wow, I need to refine this into a little more of a coherent statement. It does seem, however, that all of the perceived errors in teenage thinking and communicating can be attributed to simple sloth. I'm not sure everything can, but keep in mind, we're a demographic (and I know I'm guilty of this) that will actually consider sitting on the couch and watching Rock of Love for another hour or so instead of walking a few feet to the remote, so the kind of effort required to edit a post for grammar or actually provide supporting evidence requires a serious cost benefit analysis.
Oh, and Robin, if you're kind enough to read this again, where abouts did you go to school?
Razzle Storm wrote: Although, I was kind of a mature teenager. I often hear about teens getting in shouting matches with their parents, which is weird, because everyone knows you can't think or accept things when you're angry.
Amen to that. I've never shouted at my mom, just stubbornly refused to concede
eternauta3k wrote: That's why I can't listen to music on the bus or while walking home... I use that time to think. My friends just put on their headphones and go on standby
Don't other people find music conducive to thought? Not billboard chart stuff, but perhaps some good classical or lyrical stuff, stuff that involves poetry, either of the word or the note?