malarkie wrote:Not necessarily correct.
For example, look at how todays adults rarely have the level of technical knowledge (for new things) that the youth does. And our level of technology is rapidly changing. (Except doctors, I want them to have lots of schooling)
That's not really an issue of "schooling isn't important." What you're describing are things like cell phones, computers, digital cameras, etc. These are consumer products that are designed to be easy to use. Also, kids have more free time to spend on this kind of thing, and they learn much more quickly than adults do.
malarkie wrote:As for puberty being inseperable from adolescence, they are seperate.
Many children are as responsible as adults because of the pressures to be so.
(Many) teenagers don't act like adults because they are not expected to.
This is kind of the thrust of my argument. Puberty is a part of adolescence.
VannA wrote:You're still not making sense.
If you take a child, pre-puberty, and train them to act like an adult, accept adult responsibilities, and do their damnedest to BE an adult, then come post-puberty, they will fit into adult society, they will be able to act appropriately as an adult in that society, and outside of the ageism influences that affect all cultures, and independant of their own competance, they will be treated as an adult of equal standing.
Teaching a dog to shake hands does not teach the dog what it means to "shake hands". Much in the same way, you can teach a kid to go through all the motions, you can teach him what things to say and do, even what to think, but you will not have an adult. Their minds won't work the same way, their emotions won't work the same way.
VannA wrote:This is how the human race, and its precursors, have been for hundreds of millenia.
Right now, we have an artifical, non-biological extension of childhood (Which I would posit does a *lot* more harm than good.) which you are labelling adolescence. We have created the term adolescence in the last hundred years, mostly because, prior to that, what you are calling adolescence was simply a part of childhood. There have been some cultures that had simliar periods in the past, but non have ever extended the period this far out. None had the life-expectancy to do so.
Again, adolescence *includes* puberty, they are not the same thing, but puberty is a piece of the puzzle. A big one, at that. And I'm not sure what you mean when you say we created it because it used to be childhood.
Indon wrote:It simply takes more than 12-15 years of life (7-10 years of schooling) to be able to contribute in a society in which professions are as sophisticated as they are in ours.
I would very much agree with this.
To deal with the whole society vs. life stage "adult" thing...
22/7 wrote:You telling me that the day you turned 18, you woke up a different person?
Except when I turned 18 I was now an adult, not an adolescent.
I really am having trouble understanding you here. You are saying that adolescence is a distinct stage in life (and you argue that it's a biologically inherent stage), and at the same time you seem to be arguing that there's no such thing at all as a distinct stage, because transitions are gradual.
First of all, when someone turns 18, they are according to society an "adult" but that doesn't mean they are done maturing or that their brains are done rewiring the way they do when they're going through adolescence. There is no clear age/time line for that.
Second part, adolescence is a distinct stage in life, but that does not mean that you can say "adolescence starts at 13 and ends at 18", because biology doesn't allow that. Now, the societal parts of adolescence tend to finish up when you graduate from high school (ish), because at that point you can start working full time, start a family, go off to college, etc., all of which are things society tends to deem the things that "adults" do.
Hopefully that's cleared up some issues that have arisen when using the terms adult and adolescence from a biological/personal POV and a societal POV.