AFedchuck wrote:Malice wrote:Gay used to mean happy.
Then it meant homosexual.
Then, some homophobic people decided that the best way to distance themselves from any notion of foppishness was to use the word as a pejorative. The very idea of making the word "gay" synonymous with "bad" is a bigoted concept.
Sorry, as soon as 'gay' was applied to gay people it became a homophobic slur, as society at that point in time lacked a neutral word. But 'gay' isn't synonymous with bad, it can be used instead of gay in circumstances. Gay is no more a homophobic slur than 'black' or 'African-American' is. Calling someone gay when they are gay isn't deliberately offensive except if you take care to be offensive.Malice wrote:The normal human response to "The fact that you're gay means I hate you" isn't "Aw, being gay isn't a big deal anyway," it's, "Fuck you, I'm proud of being gay! Look at how fucking gay I am! Look, I'm dry-humping a man on a parade float driving through your stupid straight neighborhood!"
Also, do you really think Willem Dafoe in Boondock Saints is a normal representation of a gay man? He's as much of a caricature as anything you see on the Bravo network.
What do you mean, it "cheapens" the whole thing? Who are you or anybody else to say is the proper way to be gay? That's like saying some Jews cheapen their whole thing by becoming accountants.
Finally, plenty of straight people are equally obnoxiously proud of being straight. Nobody complains when an actress's tits become a selling point for a movie, or when a smoking hot, carefully photographed nude woman is being used to sell shampoo; or when straight people concoct entire systems for bagging more chicks; or when straight people visit an island paradise for the week-long booze-and-fuck-fest called "Spring Break". Nor does anybody complain when, say, veterans have a parade because they are proud of having served in the military. But once the gays do it, aw, fuck, somebody tell those idiots they're gross and it's only going to hurt their cause in the long run.
Just because it's the knee-jerk reaction doesn't mean it's right, just understandable. It shouldn't be an issue to be gay, so don't be proud of it. You examples of 'straight pride' are in fact irritatingly irrelevant.
So using an actress's tits to sell films is straight pride. So no lesbian would be affected by it?
So spring break is straight pride. Do no gay people go to spring break?
The defining element of these things isn't the sexuality of the participants, it's the fact they like sex. This is a marked difference.
And the veterans are a different thing entirely. They are an illustration of a a different point. People no more choose to be straight than they choose to be gay. Hence, pride in belonging to the group is merely divisive. Veterans have fucking done something other than lived. They've put their lives on the line for a cause. I'm not arguing because gay people are gross, but it will hurt their cause in the long run. If you want prejudice to disappear, you need gay people to be considered as people first and foremost, and you aren't going to do that by parading difference.
When people bemoan the lack of gay people in films, the impression I get is that all characters who aren't explicitly gay are considered to be straight. Now, I haven't looked at any studies so this might not be the case in academia and I imagine there is still bias against gay characters. But still,
Perhaps it's right in the short-term, but fundamentally the mindset you are displaying is one which highlights difference rather than similarity. And it's not by recognition of difference that prejudice will disappear, but the recognition of a common humanity.
But people MAKE an issue out of it. We are banned from adoption in some states because of it. We are denied the 1200+ benefits of marriage because of it. Over and over, the usual response expected by the majority of heterosexuals is "you should be ashamed".
The problem is that you don't comprehend Pride parades. It just isn't a parade, it's a nurturing process. We need to take care of each other. After years of continued degradation, your self-esteem will be on the floor if you don't do something about it. Pride parades is where our community gathers and affirms our value. We have OUR dedicated party, as opposed to the prom and other hetero-centric activities we never had. We have our own channels that bother to represent us, as opposed to the other channels in which we make 1-2% of the characters, and these characters are either stereotypes or "barely there" characters. We make our space, simply because you don't leave space for us. You say it's stupid to isolate ourselves through these parades and exclusive spaces, such as gay bars. And yet, what happens when we happen to interact with heterosexual social environments? You brutalize us. Do tell, what happens in a straight bar should you go with your boyfriend and engage in the SAME type of behavior the straight counterparts are engaging in? If you're lucky, you'll get yelled at while reflecting beer cans tossed at you. Most likely, you will get beaten up.