I'm 50% Scottish. I even have the privilege of wearing Tartan. Not a kilt though. That's a male thing. I can trace my family way back into the period where we helped sack York (yay!) and stole a lot of sheep. It isn't a coincidence that I have a lot of Australian relatives. In places like Perth, Cairns and so forth.Peter Young was the son of merchant, born in Dundee in 1544. In 1569 he was made tutor to the infant King James VI, and later became Almoner to the King. He was knighted in 1605 after many years of service in various embassies. http://www.scotclans.com/scottish_clans ... story.html
We're border scum. The kind that fought the English.. a lot... while Highland "nobility" didn't.
So yes - we aren't 'high' Clan, but we got there
Oh, and claiming that Hadrian's Wall is some kind of reference to the total uberness of Celtic spirit is just dumb, and totally delusional. Although the 9th got lost up there (and unlike various legions in Germanica, probably wasn't wiped out - and please, do you *know* what Caesar did to that province to discover where the bodies where?!) Roman documentation clearly shows that... there wasn't anything up there worth fighting for. Remember: Romans were noted for amazing engineering and total ruthlessness in getting what they wanted. Carthage. The major hub of N. African civilisation was wiped out [literally - down to foundation stones] over a war. Somehow, I doubt Highland Celts posed even a fraction of the problem... if
they'd found Highland Scotland interesting or worthwhile.
So yes.. please cut down on the infantile Nationalism there.
English / Island history is way before the "British Empire".
Are you telling me that the Scottish, Welsh & Irish 'nationals' who were instrumental
in shaping the British Empire didn't think they were part of the "United Kingdom". I'd strongly suggest this is totally false. They also profited highly from it.
1) During the early 20th century Britain still very much had an empire. Ireland was directly governed after the act of the union in 1801. The great irish famine in 1846 led to the death of millions of Irish people, and, despire supposedly being a part of the nation state of the UK, the British govt did very little to help.
Yes, the Sudan / Panama canal incident is largely recognised as the end of the British Empire. There's actually a huge
influential body of work that suggests that the UK sacrificed the "Empire" (through treaties, Commonwealth diffusion of power, direct action and so forth) during WWII and after. And please notice that date: 1801. From Cromwell to 1801, the English didn't directly govern the province.
2) Bonnie Prince Charlie's Jacobite uprising ended in 1745. The formation of the First British Empire began as far back as 1583; it segued seamlessly into the Second British Empire around 1750, a mere 5 years following the end of Scotland's last major uprising. Hell, the East Indian Trading Company had become the predominant military and political power in India only 12 years later.
Yes.. before this rise of this ultimate Patriot, the mighty, racist English got tired of all this and got a couple of DUTCH
people to come rule the land.
Yea. Ho-hum. Damn those Nationalistic bastards. Obviously getting an Empire together from their own country.William III (14 November 1650 – 8 March 1702) was a sovereign Prince of Orange by birth. From 1672 he governed as Stadtholder William III of Orange over Holland, Zeeland, Utrecht, Guelders, and Overijssel of the Dutch Republic. From 1689 he reigned as William III over England and Ireland, and as William II over Scotland. He is informally known in Northern Ireland and Scotland as "King Billy". A member of the House of Orange-Nassau, William won the English, Scottish and Irish crowns following the Glorious Revolution, in which his uncle and father-in-law James II was deposed. In England, Scotland and Ireland, William ruled jointly with his wife, Mary II, until her death on 28 December 1694.
Learn some history already.
Somehow, a peaceful 'invasion' in which no lives were lost, and an entire country (or countries) got a ruler of a different nationality, who was invited in, and accepted by the nation as a whole.
Compare this to some jumped up spoiled child, who tried to invade, got hardly any support, and got beaten down instantly. Ignoring the advice of his best commander, Lord George Murray, Charles chose to fight on flat, open, marshy ground where his forces would be exposed to superior government firepower. Charles commanded his army from a position behind his lines, where he could not see what was happening. Hoping Cumberland's army would attack first, he had his men stand exposed to Hanoverian artillery for twenty minutes before finally ordering an attack.
After his defeat, Charles indicated to the remaining supporters of the Jacobite cause in England that, accepting the impossibility of his recovering the English and Scots crowns while he remained a Roman Catholic, he was willing to commit himself to reigning as a Protestant. Accordingly he visited London incognito in 1750 and conformed to the Protestant faith by receiving Anglican communion at the Church of St Mary-le-Strand, a noted centre of Anglican Jacobitism. On Charles's return to France he reverted to Catholic observance.
If you know *anything* about the period, being a devout Roman Catholic was more divisive than where you came from, at that time. Thus - Dutch, good (Protestant); Silly jumped up alcoholic who was Roman Catholic - bad. Bearing in mind if you know the history of the period, the Dutch & English were competitive rivals (naval) at this time as well. Holland was a major player in European history for a while, post the collapse of Spanish power. So... William of Orange is akin to asking your populace to invite your direct Nation based country of hate (let's chose Cuba for you Americans) to rule your land.
But sure, you wallow in Nationalist Jingoism enough, I'm sure those facts aren't important.
Oh. And serious point: there's no co-incidence that the 19-20th C is called "THE RISE OF NATIONALISM AND THE NATION STATE
". Before that, it wasn't even a serious fucking concept. Or did you miss the whole point of this all?