Is pornography only for people over 18?

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Re: Is pornography only for people over 18?

Postby Plebian » Fri Nov 05, 2010 7:21 am UTC

Hedonic Treader wrote:
Zanmanoodle wrote:key quote from below article: "For example, those who frequent porn sites more often are more likely to view sex as a purely physical function and to view women as sex objects. [...]The more explicit the material viewed, the more likely young people were to see women in these ways."

I wonder whether this is a domain-dependent (ie. related to sexual relationships) view or a general view. For instance, will men who view women as sexual objects (rather than partners with emotional bonding) in the bedroom also see women as inferior in the workplace? In politics? With regards to personal rights? etc. Hypothetically, humanity could be quite happy even with a view of sex that is reduced to a somatosensoric entertainment activity; as long as children are still raised with adequate support and care.


I believe this is EXACTLY why the age limit is set at suffrage. Its not that kids aren't necessarily ready or a question of when they are ready. Choosing to limit the sale of stuff like porn is kind of a parenting aid. No parent can watch kids every single second and it helps when they cant see gimp suits on display in the mall with out at least taking the time and effort to get a reasonable fake ID. It keeps some 13 year olds sneaking a look at the Victoria Secret catalog instead of walking down to Macs and buying the latest hustler. The goal isn`t and shouldn`t be to make sure no kid ever sees someone naked its to hold kids back a little so they aren't trying to figure out bsdm before someone has sat them down and said 'hey, you ever notice those birds and bees?' At the end of the day if your parents are comfortable enough with your maturity to take the safety lock off your internet you have all the access to porn you could ever need.

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Re: Is pornography only for people over 18?

Postby cjmcjmcjmcjm » Mon Nov 08, 2010 5:17 am UTC

Plebian wrote:At the end of the day if your parents are comfortable enough with your maturity to take the safety lock off your internet you have all the access to porn you could ever need.

I've lurked this forum for a while and I've been prompted to note that those internet safety filters aren't a hinderance. They might stop an 8-year-old from accidentally stumbling on Goatse, but if you're a horny 13-year-old, they are not a problem to bypass. Let's face it: they are another one of the things that really is more about piece of mind than doing anything.
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Re: Is pornography only for people over 18?

Postby GoC » Tue Nov 09, 2010 11:08 pm UTC

Zanmanoodle: A bit of education by parents or in the sex ed classes can correct that quite easily.

Also, sex is a physical function... :?

I gather the people here view BDSM as immoral...?
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Re: Is pornography only for people over 18?

Postby Zanmanoodle » Wed Nov 10, 2010 5:58 am UTC

GoC wrote:Zanmanoodle: A bit of education by parents or in the sex ed classes can correct that quite easily.



Good parenting can fix a lot of things, but that doesn't mean it will.

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Re: Is pornography only for people over 18?

Postby Plebian » Fri Nov 12, 2010 5:36 am UTC

GoC wrote:Zanmanoodle: A bit of education by parents or in the sex ed classes can correct that quite easily.

Also, sex is a physical function... :?

I gather the people here view BDSM as immoral...?


I believe the issue surrounding BDSM is not imorrality but rather that understanding and observance of motivation and etiquitte is both more difficult and more important to its practice. In my opinion there is a greater chance that a new and totally inexperienced person will misunderstand and abuse trust/vulnerability in BDSM. To me jumping into BDSM without any familiarity with sex would be like trying to learn calculus without knowing algebra. Its one thing to use a little bit too much force in more pedestrian types of sex, its another when using toys or having the person restrained.

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Re: Is pornography only for people over 18?

Postby GenericPseudonym » Fri Nov 12, 2010 10:30 pm UTC

I think the main reason with all the anti-sex shit in society is just all the religions saying "no sex until marriage" or "only for reproduction" or other things like that, and the parents' idea that somehow it will corrupt the children and prompt huge underage orgies or something. If we were to give sex ed BEFORE puberty instead of after, people would have a chance to see all this stuff objectively. You would have kids actually understanding sex when they started looking at things sexually, and you'd get rid of a bunch of problems that arose from sexual ignorance. The problem with that would just be all the parents trying to "shield" their children from it, keeping the kids out of sex ed and undermining the whole thing. Not to mention all the religious outrage.

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Re: Is pornography only for people over 18?

Postby Sagekilla » Mon Nov 15, 2010 1:10 am UTC

Hedonic Treader wrote: In some countries, it's legal to have sex with ~14+, but accessing/possessing an image showing a naked 17 year old person could be punishable with prison.


I actually have a question about this point: Would this not mean that in a hypothetical situation where someone at the bare legal
age of consent had sex (Let's pretend this is 15) with someone older (let's say 18), and the younger person were to take pictures
of the two having sex perhaps unknowingly to the older person.

In this situation, if the 15 year old placed the images in the possession of the 18 year old, could authorities charge the 18 year old
for "possession of child pornography" even if he didn't intend it?

I could imagine all sorts of screwy things going on, like a younger person at the age of consent blackmailing someone who's older than
them (but still could legally have sex with the younger person).
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Re: Is pornography only for people over 18?

Postby deerie » Mon Nov 15, 2010 6:51 am UTC

GoC wrote:Zanmanoodle: A bit of education by parents or in the sex ed classes can correct that quite easily.

Also, sex is a physical function... :?

I gather the people here view BDSM as immoral...?

Most parents feel too awkward to talk about sex, and sex ed sucks too much to even put in words. They never, ever talk about rape/sexual abuse in a useful way. It's not easy to fix something that's become a pervasive cultural problem. BDSM can look a lot like rape; that's the "immoral" bit. To someone who doesn't understand what's going on, seeing that could be very detrimental, because a kid (and even many adults) might see someone enjoying what appears to be rape, which is missing pretty much the entire point of BDSM as I understand it in terms of the trust it necessitates.
Sagekilla wrote:In this situation, if the 15 year old placed the images in the possession of the 18 year old, could authorities charge the 18 year old
for "possession of child pornography" even if he didn't intend it?

Actually, I lied. I remember being talked to about rape once in primary school. It basically went, "don't assume your frat brother's little sister is as old as she looks or as old as she says she is, and don't let your SO who's still a minor sext you because that's illegal."

That was the talk from the local rape crisis center. I mean, really?

As much as I'd like to believe that no-porn-under-18 is trying to prevent people from viewing women as objects, I think it's more what GenericPseudonym said: Americans are (or at least pretend to be) really uptight about sex before marriage, which I see as patently unhealthy. Personally, I'm too scared of having children popping out of me to bother, but I'm not going to judge someone else who's willing to take that risk. I think the American treatment of sex as some terrible thing carries many negative consequences. On the issue of porn specifically, the argument that it exploits women boils down to women not being able to make decisions about what to do with their bodies.

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Re: Is pornography only for people over 18?

Postby Hedonic Treader » Mon Nov 15, 2010 1:39 pm UTC

Sagekilla wrote:In this situation, if the 15 year old placed the images in the possession of the 18 year old, could authorities charge the 18 year old
for "possession of child pornography" even if he didn't intend it?

I could imagine all sorts of screwy things going on, like a younger person at the age of consent blackmailing someone who's older than
them (but still could legally have sex with the younger person).


Well, ok, with that level of trust, you may equally be worried about her stabbing you in the back with a knife while cuddling. But seriously, of course there are modes of abuse with these laws. Or "collateral damage". I saw an interview with a 13-year old yesterday who's had a relationship with a 23-year old man. From her communication, there was no doubt about the consensual nature of the relationship. She was articulate and clear in her perspective. At the end, they showed her writing love letters to him in prison. It's questionable if an outcome like this is the point of anti-abuse laws.

With regards to the effects of porn, this talk is rather interesting: http://fora.tv/2010/05/14/Cindy_Gallop_ ... e_Not_Porn

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Re: Is pornography only for people over 18?

Postby inhahe » Fri Nov 26, 2010 3:19 am UTC

sockpoppet wrote:Legally, people under 18 are not allowed to have or view pornography. I am 17 and I've been watching porn since I was about 12. It is considered perfectly normal for everybody to watch porn with 14 years(I'm Spanish, maybe it's different in other countries). But I still have to click "I am 18 or older" every time.
It is completely impossible to restrict pornography to minors, and there is no reason to do so. I find ridiculous the thought that watching people have sex could harm anybody who has already passed most of puberty. (Gore and extreme pornography is a different matter).

In general, age restrictions are always polemical and always inconsistent. I can have sex, drive a motorcycle and have an abortion (well, I could if I were a woman), but not vote, drink or watch pornography.


It's completely and utterly pointless and it has its roots only in the puritanical beliefs that sex is somehow dirty and wrong. We don't want to expose or children to something dirty and wrong so quickly because we want them to maintain their "innocence." God forbid sex actually be something joyful and innocent, and spiritual. Of course not even religion comes from a vacuum and I don't know how those beliefs started, though I could speculate but I won't bother to - there are too many 'layers' to the story.

Basically, sex is a natural act and the interest in it is a natural desire and that includes children and also, though the aspect changes, children even younger than puberty. Furthermore, it's freedom of speech and children aren't forced to look at pornography. If we think we have to protect children who are curious from images, well, it's not the children that face a problem; we must have some kind of brain-damage.

I don't even have to make this argument though, because anybody whose eyes are open has already seen the French as an example and has noticed that their society hasn't crumbled because they have a laissez-faire philosophy about sexuality, and in fact they're more open and free (*especially when it comes to sex and affection), their language is beautiful, all the girls love them, and they're generally physically beautiful people..

It's obvious that America is still in the infantile stage when it comes to sexuality, and I'm just kind of perturbed that i'd have to use words to bother to point it out.

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Re: Is pornography only for people over 18?

Postby thorgold » Wed Dec 29, 2010 5:33 am UTC

A major problem with the current laws is that society has set a standard that marriage (and to a less obvious extent, sex) are for adults, and a line has been drawn at 18 years of age for "adulthood." The problem is that, physically, we enter the adulthood with the onset of puberty - which normally begins in the early teens. For those six or so years, modern teenagers are expected to abstain from "adult" activities in direct contradiction to physical processes natural to humans. So, we have physically craving teenagers with the physical capability to commit "adult" acts, along with the encouragement of its being an act of rebellion.
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Re: Is pornography only for people over 18?

Postby MathGirl » Sun Jan 02, 2011 8:45 pm UTC

The age restriction has its purpose. It allows prosecution in cases when an obvious wrong has occurred (the passing out porn to 9 year olds example) and in cases that are still skeevy (like an adult sending images of their naughty bits to a 16 year old they met in a chat room). I've never heard of anyone getting into legal trouble because a teenager sought out mature content.

Yes, the age is a little arbitrary, but at 18 most people have gotten the hang of puberty and are able to assess their sexual behavior with some level of maturity. The age limit causes you very little inconvenience and offers protection when needed.

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Re: Is pornography only for people over 18?

Postby PAstrychef » Mon Jan 03, 2011 9:29 pm UTC

There have been numerous cases where underage persons sending images of themselves to other underage persons have been prosecuted under child pornography laws, resulting in their being labeled as sex offenders and required to register as such wherever they live.
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Re: Is pornography only for people over 18?

Postby markop2003 » Fri Jan 07, 2011 8:06 pm UTC

No but the current system we've got works pretty well. As long as we don't go more down the road of calling kids pedophiles because they take nude pics of themselves then all is good as it is.

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Re: Is pornography only for people over 18?

Postby alreadytaken4536 » Sun Jan 16, 2011 5:21 am UTC

What if a minor willingly shows their naked body to a legal adult, but no physical interactions occur? No abuse has occurred, and there was no coercion on the adult's behalf. What separates them looking at a minor in the flesh versus looking at a photo?

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Re: Is pornography only for people over 18?

Postby im.jamesarnold » Wed Jan 19, 2011 11:23 am UTC

No it's not fact every country has it's own rule for allow pornography. As for example in Russia there is 16 yrs. to allow pronography for male same as different country has different protocol. It may offensive in my country to watch porno movie at this age.


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