omgryebread wrote:No one seriously thinks that women walking around without tops will be a normal occurrence. It will pretty much always be unusual. Most males don't walk around without shirts (private businesses usually require shirts, even) and a lot of the things guys take off their shirt for (hard physical activity, pickup sports games) would be really annoying to do topless. Trying to play sports without a sports bra would be silly for me, even more so for ladies with more going on in the chest department.
You are right in a certain context. It would never be normal for a women to just walk around topless anywhere like to a business meeting as much as it would be for a dude. But that doesn't mean it couldn't become normal for a women to be topless in appropriate situations of just walking around town on a hot day just as plenty of guys do. Granted there aren't many times/places in our culture where even partial nudity is accepted but if given the opportunity that has the possibility of change also.
omgryebread wrote:So yes, it will always draw second glances. That's presumably not what the women in the original post, nor any other pro-topfree women are complaining about. They are complaining about the fact that if they were to go out topless, they'd draw sexual stares. Not stares of "wow that's weird." And they're not even saying "guys should stop liking breasts so we don't have to wear shirts!" I'm getting more "guys like breasts, so if I didn't wear a shirt, they'd stare at me and that would be annoying! Therefore, I may keep wearing a shirt, though in an ideal world, they would not sexualize breasts and I could go topless."
Speaking from a guys perspective (not that i can speak for all men) the boobies aren't the only thing that would be stared at. I really honestly believe that the average man would still spend equal time staring at the other attractive parts of the female body (butt, legs, face) even if the breasts were exposed. If not more time simply because its like "ok, well i know what her boobs look like, now if only i could get a peek at that ass." The guys who would sit and stare are the same guys who do that regardless of whether you're wearing a top or not. In western culture it is ingrained in us that we need decency and shame but in many more "primitive" cultures the women never wear tops and they get along just fine. I'm sure the men still see them in the same sexual way but theres no point in staring at something that you're gonna see day in, day out.
As for the actual question: do women have the right to go topless and complain when guys stare?
I think its phrased poorly because of course they have the right to free speech, its hard to debate that one. but does it make any sense to complain? No. obviously from the things women have said they understand that it would draw attention, so going into it they understand that=men will stare=they will get annoyed. so the question they should ask themselves before the go out is, is it worth it to me? is it worth being annoyed to be topless? If not, don't. If so, do, and don't complain about it.
Thank you ladies, I look forward to hopefully seeing you all soon. (just kidding of course)...kinda.
There was a study done recently that showed that the instinctual response for a man to focus on a womens breasts is faster then the ability for him to perceive the fact he is doing so. The brain sends a signal to look faster then the signal that says don't look, its impolite. I'm not sure if I'm allowed to post a link but feel free to google it.