Whimsical Eloquence wrote:Eh, no, we can't. Because indignation, hyperbole and curses don't close a line of argumentation. Just to be clear...
Just to be clear, this is not a thread about rape.
Whimsical Eloquence wrote:...if I drug someone, rape them and they wake up in the morning with no memory of the event this isn't morally problematic?
If letting you get away with this will lead you to raping more people, does that mean it's without consequence? If there's a more-than-zero chance that the victim will remember later, does that mean it's without consequence? If there's actual physical trauma, does that mean it's without consequence? If pregnancy or an STD occurs, does that mean it's without consequence? If it leads to you adopting more aggressive, sexually exploitative behaviors, does that mean it's without consequence?
Right, so now that we've checked all those boxes off and modified the situation accordingly, remind me: Are we talking about reality or just your magical fantasy bullshit scenario?
Whimsical Eloquence wrote:The greater part of the vice of punching someone in the face isn't that they feel pain, it's that you're acting on their body in a serious way without their consent.
No, it's that I'm changing
their body in a serious way without their consent. If I punched you and my fist passed right through your head because you're a goddamn ghost--or it just bounced off your nose because you're Superman
--then who cares? Maybe it's important that I tried to violate your bodily autonomy and failed, because that indicates that I might try to violate someone else's and succeed--but that's it.
Whimsical Eloquence wrote:I'm not sure if they do. It depends, if it was just small membranes of skin between their toes I'd argue for leaving it at least until the child is capable of having some input into the conversation. If they're significant and very visible they will significantly impact on his peer socialisation with the child's peers - then there's a case to be made.
And can't you make the same case with Jewish boys who will grow up into Jewish men and have sexual relations with other Jews who might be horrified at the realization that their significant other is uncircumcised? Socialization is vastly complicated and unpredictable. Outside of very clear cases, it's not a reliable metric.