LaserGuy wrote:Er... we've already seen this effect happen (to some extent or other) in areas where circumcision has been used as a method of STI prevention.
Oh? Can you show me relevant examples? It's not that I disbelieve the possibility; it just runs counter to what I'd expect to see. Are you talking about infant circumcision, by the way? Because that's what I'm talking about, and that's what I'm suggesting I find unlikely.
You've gone and taken something far too literally.
Yes, I'm one of those annoying people who assumes you actually mean the things you say.
BattleMoose wrote:I am trying to protect peoples right to bodily integrity, so that their bodies are not messed with without their consent. And I will deride people who have unprotected sex, with strangers and a hoard of other caveats that may make it not moronic. Its a moronic thing to do in the vast majority of circumstances.
Yes, because what the dialogue about preventing STIs needs are more
judgmental generalizations. Dismissing people as morons is definitely going to encourage them to engage in protected sex. It certainly won't shame them when they get an STI, and it definitely won't perpetuate a culture where we feel that the people with STIs somehow 'deserve' to have them because of their 'moronic behavior'.
BattleMoose wrote:I am self entitling myself to what exactly? And how am I being ignorant? And how is my attitude hypocritical? And you certainly don't get to insult me and then try and put that aside.
Don't worry; I'm not going to sweep aside what I said by claiming you're taking me 'far too literally'.
It's hypocritical because you claim you want to educate people, then you call them morons when they do something that demonstrates a lack of sufficient education. It's ignorant because you seem to think calling them morons somehow helps
, or at the very least, doesn't make things worse. And it's entitled because you think you possess the power, knowledge, and moral authority to separate the 'morons' having unsafe sex from the 'poor victims of circumstance' having unsafe sex. Shall we arrange them in rows so you can make the call on each person, one-by-one? I dunno about you, but I'm desperate
to know which people having unprotected sex are morons and which ones aren't!
Effectively helping people means putting aside your judgment and just helping them. Deriding people you don't know as morons for the choices they make in no way improves the quality of those choices
. It is the snobbish behavior of petulant children. This isn't about judging, it isn't about blame, it isn't about fault--it's about giving people more choices and trying to improve the quality of the ones they have. Describing the people who make suboptimal choices as morons? Doesn't help. Not one fucking bit.
BattleMoose wrote:I've said it to you before and Ill say it again, be civil.
I call spades spades, and hypocritical, ignorant, entitled attitudes hypocritical, ignorant, entitled attitudes.
A more civil way to express what I'm expressing might be to point out that you're wrong, and your attitude sucks. If that makes you feel better, by all means: Pretend that's what I said.