Queen Elizabeth matters how? If we want, I can say "Boudica" now, and then you can name a female ruler who was just a figurehead, and I can name another actual female ruler with power. Or I could name male figureheads, like any Japanese Emperor during the time of the Shogunate. I don't see your point at all in what you wrote, save for proving something about England at one point in time.
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“If only they worked harder, women wouldn’t need to put them in a hospital.”
“Just women evolving faster than the men.”
Enter Kenya, a nation with a major domestic abuse problem. Unlike India, where men beat their wives, sometimes to death, in Kenya, wives cut you or set you on fire or dump acid on you. Depending on where in Kenya you live. Parts of Kenya are so advanced that domestic abuse has switched sides. As you noted, less developed nations have greater discrepancies between men and women, so this problem in Kenya must be due to their over-development. In most of Kenya, domestic abuse is "normal", with men beating their wives. However, certain parts that are seeing development have seen a complete shift. How do you feel about this?
I'm not "fudging the numbers", or do you not think men are less likely to report or reveal abuse? Because if you think they aren't less likely than women to report, you're sorely mistaken. 45% of all abuse is against men. Men are less likely to report or reveal their abuse. Therefore, more than 45% of all abuse is perpetrated against men. Aid for abuse victims DOES NOT REFLECT THIS.
However, I don't want to argue what happens in the third world. What happens there shouldn't affect policy here in the West. Yes, bad things are happening to women over there (and to men, as pointed out earlier. You don't see as many videos of women being set on fire as you do men, or so it seems), and we should stop it, but that shouldn't affect how we deal with Western problems. Domestic abuse in the USA is about even. Domestic abuse shelters are not. Help for abuse is not even. A woman being unable to drive in Saudi Arabia does not affect domestic abuse statistics in the USA or UK, nor should it affect how we deal with those subjects here. Men deserve, if not an equal amount of programs and shelters, at least half as much help. At the very least, we shouldn't be putting children back with their abusers because they have a penis and are too old to not be abused.
And you keep going on about men being "more violent". Well, I made an entire post about that which you didn't even touch. Men are more violent because men at the bottom have no options. Women are less likely to ever truly see that bottom, in the West, because women have much more access to help when abused/homeless/mentally ill/abusing substances. A PERSON who is homeless, abusing drugs, was abused as a child, and suffering from PTSD will be more violent than a PERSON who has a home, is not abusing drugs, had a great childhood, and is of sound mind. A woman like the former would be more prone to violence than a man like the latter. More men are violent because more men are homeless, are mentally ill, are abusing substances, are being or have been abused.
Wodashin wrote:Sleeper wrote:However, that's a separate issue from the question of whether there is a stronger tendency toward violence among males.
There is. It's one of the differences between the sexes...
Let us ask, what are the traits of people most likely to commit violence and crime?
More often in poverty.
More often has mental health issues.
More often has been abused in the past.
Men and women who are impoverished, and/or mentally ill, and/or have been abused in the past are more likely to be violent. The homeless population is a perfect storm of all these things. Most homeless are single homeless, with most single homeless being male. Just with this, we can see that males being "more violent" is pretty logical.
When it comes to poverty, more women than men are in poverty, due to more women being single parents than men. However, many more options for assistance are open to women in poverty that are single mothers, unlike for men. Therefore, women would be less likely to turn to crime, as they have other, better avenues (usually) to provide for themselves. If someone does not have any other option but to turn to crime because there is no government assistance for them, they will turn to crime. I don't have the numbers, but I don't think it'd be that crazy to assert that single women in poverty commit more crime than single mothers in poverty, and single men in poverty commit more crime than either.
Men and women experience mental illnesses at around the same rate, but women are far more likely to seek and get help than men. This can be seen as a more societal than bureaucratic problem, unlike the last. Still, societal problems can be fixed. While mentally ill people are not all that more likely to be violent, mental illness in conjunction with other things (substance abuse, past abuse, poverty) drastically increases the chances of violence and crime. Men do not seek help as often, or get diagnosed as often, and men abuse drugs at much higher rates as well, once again, most likely due to social stigma around getting help, and the lack of avenues for that help in some cases. [ http://www.mentalhealth.org.uk/help-inf ... men-women/ ]. Men also make up the vast majority of PTSD cases, and war vets with PTSD or other mental illnesses make up 40 to 50% of male homeless.
Men and women, as statistically proven earlier in this thread using the CDC's data, get abused at around the same rate once you account for men's being less likely to report or reveal abuse, and once you insert a margin of error. Severe abuse accounts for 20% of abuse. 14% of all abuse is severe abuse against females. 6% of all abuse is severe abuse against males. So, in general, men and women are likely to experience the same amount of abuse, though women are a bit more likely to experience severe abuse, though severe abuse is rarer than non-severe abuse. However, women have access to domestic abuse shelters and are more likely to report and get legal help against their abuser, where men do not have access to domestic abuse shelters (even though they should statistically get 1 out of every 3 if we base it on severe abuse, or 1 out of 2 if we count general abuse), nor do men report their abuse as often, or get their abuse taken as seriously (not to imply women's abuse is always taken seriously, just moreso) when they do report.
Not only that, domestic violence shelters have ceiling for the age of males that can be sheltered. Because of this, many male teens are forced to remain with their abusive mothers and fathers, creating a higher potential for violence and abuse in them, and mental illness. Statistically, young men are the most likely to be committing violent crime. Young men are also the most likely to be homeless, to be mentally ill, and to have been abused. Mostly due to cultural stigma over men seeking or getting help, and the gendered abuse programs which discriminate against men, thus disallowing them to be helped, and therefore ensuring more violence to come.
Taking all this into account, we can see that "men are more violent" is simply a reflection of our culture and our government's lack of care, and the lack of avenues for help of those men. Young men are logically more likely to be violent. To say "men" is to negate any and all other variables, ignoring things like age, socio-economic status, access to help, and mental illness. I'd like to see statistics on gender and age demographics, and I'm sure it would show near parity between men and women after a certain age, though with a slightly higher male rate due to their being less likely to get the help that would prevent such violence and the like.
If we actually took a look at the problems of men, we'd see that by solving them, we solve a lot of crime as well. A lot of society's problems of violence and crime stem from these things stated before. Homelessness, poverty, mental illness, and abuse, and the lack of avenues for help. If you create a system wherein many young men have no legal options of bettering their lives, taking statistics from that group and applying it to them, and all men, as proof of men's inherent violence, you're being sophomoric and disingenuous.
So please, instead of using a broad brush to paint all men in a certain way with absolutely no thought as to why more men are violent, take a look at the societal factors that go into this so you can realize that, by only focusing on women's problems, we are only creating more problems for men and women.