hawkinsssable wrote:Endlessly bringing up the benefits a very few number of animal trials have brought about misses the point.* Essentially, the vast bulk of animal experimentation causes significant pain without even being intended to produce results of real significance. If this was the case at this particular lab, the worst the protestors did was inconvenience some researchers and students. Was this the case? I have no idea; if it wasn't, the point is moot. Still, it seems to me that you might want to figure this out before smugly thrusting some bunny in an activists' face and shouting "IS THIS BUNNY WORTH LESS TO YOU THAN HUMAN LIVES, YOU MONSTER?!"
I cannot begin to describe how much I disagree with this entire paragraph. Wait, yes I can.
Firstly, 'very few number of animal trials'? Secondly 'vast bulk of animal experimentation causes significant pain'? Thirdly 'without even being intended to produce results of real significance'? Fourthly 'worst the protestors did was inconvenience some researchers and students'? Fifthly, Yes, we are thrusting a bunny in an activists face and shouting that the bunny is worth less than human lives, because the activist has done the exact opposite, but for some reason, you're defending their actions while reprimanding ours.
So lets address those five points;
1 ) All animal experimentation goes through a review board. There are certainly examples of organizationis failing to meet those standards, but they are the outliers. If you wanted to make a factual statement, it should have read 'very few animal trials cause significant amounts of pain'.
2 ) Review board; pain minimized, animals sacrificed humanely. The more you post the more I'm under the impression you get all your information from PETA.
3 ) You seem to be under the impression that people go into science because experimenting on animals is fun. You are wrong. The claim that the vast bulk of experimentation is conducted with no intent to produce results of significance is a statement as ludicriously fallacious as the claim that 'most business owners enjoy lighting their inventory on fire'. Again, all animal research goes through a review board, and any research project that isn't supported by strong logic and previous findings isn't going to be approved for animal testing.
4 ) Wrong; the worst the protestors did was destroy promising data that may have led new therapies. This represents more than just a few years of inconveniencing some people; ever see the movie 'Medicine Man'? We have no way of knowing (and now, never will!) if one of those mice had a mutation that could have unlocked part of the mystery of some human neurological disorder, and it is entirely possible that such a mutation won't pop up again when the lines are restored. I'm painting the worst case scenario for the data lost of course; best case scenario, the actions of the protestors simply set back the labs and projects by 2-3 years. Do you know how long typical funding grants are? Do you think the researchers will have an easy time convincing the Italian government and other investors to fund their research, when they effectively show zero progress for a multiple year stretch? Best case scenario it is quite possible that these activists ruined a number of scientists careers.
5 ) The problem with these activists is that they have thrust their morality in the livelihoods of others, and you're here getting bent out of shape because we have the audacity to condemn the activists for their actions. So, yes, what I would like to do is thrust that bunny in their face and demand to know why they think it's worth more than a human life; it is quite evident that they haven't thought about it very carefully.
... with gigantic melancholies and gigantic mirth, to tread the jeweled thrones of the Earth under his sandalled feet.