TheGrammarBolshevik wrote:I'm not sure I see the relevance. People who oppose abortion, or capital punishment, or euthanasia seem to do so primarily because of the deaths immediately involved in those actions. You have to care about killing people before you can be worried about a culture of killing people.
What I mean is: Most reasonable people I know who oppose death holistically (against the death penalty, against the killing of animals, etc) and take action to express that opposition (picketing against the death penalty, refusing to eat meat) do not demand those around them also
oppose death (come with them to the picket lines, refrain from eating meat).
I have a hard time imagining someone who opposes abortion because of a holistic opposition to death stepping between a woman and a doctor and demanding the woman carry the pregnancy to term regardless of the consequences. Or, at least -- I have a hard time imagining this person not being extraordinarily
unreasonable (and just, generally obnoxious).
zmic wrote:The one is an unfortunate event that one tries to solve by saving a life.
The other is an unfortunate event that one tries to solve by destroying a life.
I thought you'd already qualified pregnancy / childbirth as always being a blessing. Why is it now an 'unfortunate event' that needs to be 'solved'?
morriswalters wrote:And the issue is not clear, it's muddy as hell. I choose to err on the side of the mother, simply because given my uncertainty I value her more than the child, especially when considering that she wants to abort it in the first place. I'd rather she want it. Because then she may be willing to take the time to do it right.
clear. You just gave the clear answer. It's really no more confusing than this: 'Man, I'm just going to trust the mother to work with a doctor and make the right decision here, because what the fuck do I
Here's the answer anti-abortionists are giving: 'Man, fuck the mother, fuck the doctor, I
know what's right'.
I mean, my position can be summed up as nothing more complex than 'Let's trust the most informed people to make these decisions'. How is that in any way hard?