BattleMoose wrote:sardia wrote:Battlemoose, how many western media outlets are you accusing of being anti-Russian propaganda machines? You laid out criteria that is summed up to: We want it, they have it, let's take it. How relevant is the fact that Catherine the Great built Crimea? How relevant is the fact that you omitted the expulsion of native Crimeans? Why did you dumb down the history of Crimea,into "Catherine the Great built Crimea. Therefore all other international norms and the rest of history is completely irrelevant. Also, Propaganda!"Spoiler:In the 9th century, Byzantium established the Cherson theme to fend against incursions by the Rus' Khaganate, and the Crimean peninsula from this time was contested between Byzantium, Rus' and Khazaria. The area remained the site of overlapping interests and contact between the early medieval Slavic, Turkic and Greek spheres, and became a center of slave trade in particular, the word slave itself deriving from the ethnonym of the Slavs who were sold to the Muslim world and Byzantium during this period. In the 1230s, this status quo was swept away by the Mongol invasions, and Crimea was incorporated into the territory of the Golden Horde throughout the 14th century. Armenian monastery of the Holy Cross (Սուրբ Խաչ), established in 1358 attests to a considerable Armenian presence in Crimea in the Middle Ages The Crimean Khanate, a vassal state of the Ottoman Empire, succeeded the Golden Horde and lasted from 1449 to 1779. Until the late 18th century, Crimean Tatars maintained a massive slave trade with the Ottoman Empire, exporting about 2 million slaves from Russia and Ukraine over the period 1500–1700. The Khanate was conquered by the Russian Empire under Catherine the Great in 1783. From 1853 to 1856, the peninsula was the site of the principal engagements of the Crimean War, a conflict fought between the Russian Empire and an alliance of France, Britain, the Ottoman Empire, and Sardinia. During the Russian Civil War, Crimea was controlled by the White Army. After they were defeated by the Red Army, Crimea became part of the Soviet Union in 1921 as Crimean Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic. In the Second World War the peninsula was occupied by Nazi Germany for several years. In 1954, it was transferred to the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic within the Soviet Union. In 1991, it became part of independent Ukraine as the Autonomous Republic of Crimea. As a result of the 2014 Crimean crisis, the accompanying Russian military intervention and the Crimean status referendum, 2014, the sovereignty over the peninsula is currently disputed between Ukraine and the Russian Federation. The peninsula is de facto controlled by the Russian Federation, in the form of two federal subjects: the Republic of Crimea and the federal city of Sevastopol.
I perceive it as fundamentally a Russian city full of majority Russian people. That Russia is getting it back, feels appropriate.
I am with you.
It feels right.
It does not matter how it feels to me.
How does it feel to Them?
I read several statements made by people that were adults when they were made Ukrainian.
They seemed to be ok with being Ukrainian. They wanted to be Russian, too.
Like a person from Tennessee that likes Tennessee and want to be a Tennessee person.
Still, some people still like the idea of being American.
Maybe a better example would be one of the Mexican states.
They like being what-ever-it is they are; And, Mexican.
What about the Larger Picture?
If Russia expands her responsibilities, will she become overwhelmed?
Will she be fighting agitators? People and circumstances beyond her control?
Will they stick the name Terrorist on such people?
Will they gain and maintain Peace and Good Will?
Why any AssHole would fight against Peace and Prosperity is beyond me.
How we define Peace may be as various as our definitions of "Fun."
Peace is hard to do, under the best of circumstances.