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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby sardia » Wed Jul 06, 2016 1:58 pm UTC

Spoiler:
http://www.npr.org/2016/07/05/484778728/new-mexico-defrauds-the-poor-out-of-food-stamps-whistleblowers-say

The largest case of food stamps fraud has reached the courthouse. Everyone involved is pleading the fifth, roughly nine people. In addition they are refusing to grant interviews. The details point to 20 years worth of fraud.

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Postby addams » Wed Jul 13, 2016 8:39 pm UTC

Mutex wrote:Is it really not a concern that they use floppies? Those things corrupted or got wiped pretty easily. A lot of old tech might be more reliable than today's, I wouldn't say that applies to floppies though.

Plus there's the cost of maintenance because it's getting harder and harder to find replacement parts.

Reading this conversation brings to my mind a fusion of the old and the new to my mind.
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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby Angua » Mon Jul 18, 2016 6:51 am UTC

News that comes as no surprise to actual millenials, but apparently is for Gen X

Millenials (at least the British ones) are proven to earn less than the previous generation.
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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby Lazar » Mon Jul 18, 2016 11:30 pm UTC

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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby sardia » Tue Jul 19, 2016 3:15 am UTC


A Dalit student in Haryana has been gangraped for a second time in three years by the same five men, the latest attack being a bid to pressure her into withdrawing her case, police said on Sunday.

Makes sense. If it's not really a serious crime to Indians, might as well use it as a weapon to silence your victims.

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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby Mambrino » Sat Jul 23, 2016 10:25 am UTC

The Guardian on Münich shooting. Looks like shooter acted alone.

There was also a weird ... discussion? between shooter and a bystander that someone caught on video and posted to Twitter, the translated transcript on The Guardian:

Not NSFL, but strong language:
Spoiler:
A full transcript of the filmed exchange:

Man on the balcony: “You fucking asshole you.”
Alleged shooter: “Because of you I was bullied for seven years …”
Man: “You asshole you. You’re a asshole.”
Shooter: “… And now I have to buy a gun to shoot you.”
Man: “A gun? Fuck off your head isn’t on right.”
Shooter and man on balcony shouting at each other, inaudible
Man apparently to people filming: “He’s got a gun, here, the guy has one.”
Unknown speaker: “Shit/fucking Turks!”
Man: “Shit/fucking foreigners!”
Man to someone else: “He’s got a gun. He has loaded his gun. Get the cops here.”
Shooter: “I am German.”
Man: “You’re a asshole is what you are.”
Shooter: “Stop filming.”
Man: “A asshole is what you are, what the fuck are you doing?”
Shooter: “Yeah what, I was born here.”
Man: “Yeah and what the fuck you think you’re doing?”
Shooter: “I grew up here in the Hartz 4 (unemployment benefits in Germany) area.”
Man and shooter talk at same time, inaudible
Shooter: “I haven’t done anything here for [inaudible].
Just shut your fucking face man”
Man: “You asshole you.”
Man away from shooter: “Hey, he’s on the upper floor here, [inaudible]”
Man goes into cover, shooter starts firing and man shouts something at him about “shooting here”
Shooter: “Yeah, that’s where you’re right. Yeah you’re right with that. Yeah you’re right.”


The whole ordeal looks more like a school shooting style "pointless shooting rampage that ends in perpetrator's suicide" than a politically motivated terror attack, except it happened in McDonalds / shopping centre instead of a school.

edit. German police claims a Breivik link

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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby PeteP » Mon Aug 01, 2016 2:13 pm UTC

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/brexit-hate-crime-racism-immigration-eu-referendum-result-what-it-means-eurospectic-areas-a7165056.html

Much more hate crimes after brexit vote in the areas voting for it. I guess racist saw the vote as confirmation that they have support in the rest of the population.

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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby elasto » Wed Aug 03, 2016 6:31 pm UTC

Five German women were arrested on Tuesday night when a flashmob stunt in a northern Spanish town sparked fears of a terrorism attack. They have since been released but will be charged with public order offences.

Holidaymakers ran and hid from presumed attackers in Platja d'Aro after people pretended to be chasing a celebrity, shouting and taking photographs. The panic turned into a stampede as bystanders mistook selfie sticks for weapons.

Eleven people were treated for bruising and heart palpitations. Three were taken to hospital.

Police were called to the centre of the town following reports that shots had been fired. The reports turned out to be false.

Videos on social media showed children in tears as people around them cowered under tables.

The German newspaper Die Welt (in German) said that about 200 people took part in the flashmob, which was organised by several Germans. Apparently those taking part were invited on social media to go down to Platja d'Aro on Tuesday evening and behave like paparazzi.

The detained women, aged between 20 and 25, were in the Costa Brava town accompanying a youth group trip.

The president of Catalonia tweeted that some things should not be joked about. He also praised the reaction from the town council and police.


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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby plytho » Thu Aug 04, 2016 7:46 am UTC

Reminds me of this Key & Peele sketch.
It's always creepy when reality catches up to comedy.
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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby sardia » Thu Aug 04, 2016 1:58 pm UTC

Global warming releases frozen anthrax, infects thousands. http://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsod ... permafrost
People and animals have been buried in permafrost for centuries. There could be bodies infected with all kinds of viruses and bacteria, frozen in time. She says scientists are just starting look for it.

"So we really don't know what's buried up there," she says. "This is Pandora's box."

For example, researchers have found pieces of the 1918 Spanish flu virus in corpses buried in mass graves in Alaska's tundra. There's also likely smallpox and the bubonic plague buried in Siberia.

This is what conservatives get for stalling climate change action. Except we all pay for it.

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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby elasto » Thu Aug 04, 2016 8:22 pm UTC

Free-speech groups have condemned the detention of a British Muslim woman after a cabin-crew member reported her for “suspicious behaviour” while reading a book about Syrian culture on a flight to Turkey.

Faizah Shaheen, a psychotherapist in Leeds, was detained by police at Doncaster airport on 25 July, on her return from her honeymoon in Turkey. A Thomson Airways cabin-crew member had reported Shaheen on her outbound flight two weeks earlier, as she was reading the title Syria Speaks: Art and Culture from the Frontline.

Police officers questioned Shaheen for 15 minutes under Schedule 7 of the Terrorism Act, under which the police can detain individuals without grounds for suspicion of involvement in criminal activities, including terrorism.

Shaheen, whose work in the NHS includes efforts to stop radicalisation among young mental health patients, told the Independent she intends to make formal complaints against the police: “I was completely innocent – I was made to feel like a culprit … I couldn’t understand how reading a book could cause people to suspect me like this. I told the police that I didn’t think it was right or acceptable. I do question if … it would be different if it was someone who wasn’t Muslim.”

A collection of essays and writings by more than 50 artists on “challenging the culture of violence” in the country, Syria Speaks was published by British imprint Saqi Books in 2014. It received positive reviews from the likes of musician Brian Eno and author AL Kennedy, who described it as “a wise, courageous, imaginative and beautiful response to all that is ugly in human behaviour.”

Jo Glanville, director of English PEN – which supported the book’s publication with a grant towards translation – said Thomson Airways should be “highly embarrassed about this gross act of misjudgment”.

“The current culture of anxiety around extremism now means that even our reading material has become grounds for suspicion of terrorist activity,” she said. “The freedom to read any book, no matter the subject, is a fundamental cornerstone of our liberty.” Glanville also called Schedule 7 a “continuing problem” and said it was overdue for reform.

Zaher Omareen, the co-editor of Syria Speaks, condemned Shaheen’s detention as a “despicable incident”.

“Judging individuals and even taking measures against them based on their race, their looks, their language, or the printed words they carry is unacceptable and unjustifiable,” Omareen said. “It was enough to carry a book which includes the word ‘Syria’ in its title for its owner to be under suspicion as a potential terrorist. I would like to remind the people and the government that Syria must not be reduced to the politicised and power-constructed soundbites carrying simplistic messages of violence and horror.”

In a statement, a Thomson Airways spokesperson said: “Our crew undergo general safety and security awareness training on a regular basis. As part of this they are encouraged to be vigilant and share any information or questions with the relevant authorities. We appreciate that in this instance Ms Shaheen may have felt that overcaution had been exercised. However, like all airlines, our crew are trained to report any concerns they may have as a precaution.”


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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby Coyne » Fri Aug 05, 2016 5:30 am UTC

elasto wrote:*Insert comment about how the terrorists have won*


I think that is misdirected: it's more like the *bigots* have won.
In all fairness...

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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby elasto » Fri Aug 05, 2016 11:07 am UTC

Without the terrorists, the bigots would have no power...

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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby Mutex » Fri Aug 05, 2016 11:11 am UTC

And vice versa.

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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby elasto » Fri Aug 05, 2016 12:08 pm UTC

Touche

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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby Zohar » Fri Aug 05, 2016 1:11 pm UTC

What? Without terrorists bigots have no power? Perhaps I widely misunderstood that phrasing but the whole "point" of being a bigot is you do it on baseless opinions. The Jews aren't stealing anyone's money, neither are immigrants stealing anyone's jobs, nor are black people dangerous to the police, yet the all (and more) suffer at the hands of bigots.
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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby elasto » Fri Aug 05, 2016 2:16 pm UTC

In this scenario.

Under normal circumstances, a flashmob of people pretending to discover a celebrity would be a source of joy and amusement.

Under normal circumstances, someone quietly reading a book on a plane would be a model passenger.

In this scenario, the source of the bigots' power is the terrorists. Obviously they have plenty of other sources in other situations though...

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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby Zohar » Fri Aug 05, 2016 3:57 pm UTC

I still don't understand what you're saying. So there have been Muslim terrorists. Are you that surprised to find Muslim people on a flight to Turkey? I don't understand how the bigots' actions are explained by the existence of terrorists. They're bigots because they're small-minded, suspicious, and fail to imagine others as people. And they would do that whether there are terrorists or not.
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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby Sableagle » Fri Aug 05, 2016 4:04 pm UTC

I think the implied difference is that without the terrorist incidents "Oh me yarm she's reading a book about Syrian culture! She must be a MUSLIM!" would be met with: "Er, yeah? Well, no, I'm pretty sure non-Muslims can read, too, but either way, so what?" rather than "Holy SHIT! A MUSLIM? On OUR plane? NO WAY! Get her off! Get her off the plaaaaane!"
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Postby Sableagle » Fri Aug 05, 2016 4:05 pm UTC

Apparently Oscar Mike Golf gets automatically modified to "oh me yarm" despite the fact that phrase makes me want to slap someone for using it without knowing its origin or the proper inflection. How interesting.
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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby elasto » Fri Aug 05, 2016 5:04 pm UTC

Zohar wrote:I still don't understand what you're saying. So there have been Muslim terrorists. Are you that surprised to find Muslim people on a flight to Turkey? I don't understand how the bigots' actions are explained by the existence of terrorists.

In normal times, if a bigot passenger complained that the person sitting next to them was a Muslim, they'd be ostracised.

In normal times, if a bigot flight attendant complained that a passenger was a Muslim, they'd be sacked.

Do you remember right after 9/11? The call then was to continue to go about our everyday business as normal... That to lives our lives in constant fear, imagining that there were terrorists hiding behind every bush, would be to let the terrorists win. You're more likely to be hit by lightning than to be killed in a terrorist attack...

Bigots have been given power over innocent Muslims that they'd never normally enjoy. By setting westerner against westerner as has occurred here, the terrorists have won.

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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby Zohar » Fri Aug 05, 2016 6:39 pm UTC

Yeah I get that point, I just don't get the phrasing of "without terrorists, bigots have no power" - some people are bigots, and they need zero excuses or facts to back those behaviors and opinions.
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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby sardia » Fri Aug 05, 2016 7:52 pm UTC

http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/20 ... birth.html
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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby elasto » Fri Aug 05, 2016 8:03 pm UTC

Zohar wrote:Yeah I get that point, I just don't get the phrasing of "without terrorists, bigots have no power"


I didn't say 'without [any] terrorists, [all] bigots have no power'. I said 'without the terrorists, the bigots would have no power' - with 'the bigots' being specifically the bigots I had just talked about in my post.

I apologise for saying 'the bigots' when perhaps 'these bigots' would have avoided your confusion.

some people are bigots, and they need zero excuses or facts to back those behaviors and opinions.

Sure, but we had been going through a period of time when bigots were becoming less and less powerful (hate gays? suck it, they can get married now), and expressing bigotted views had become more and more shameful.

Terrorism has allowed being openly bigoted to become acceptable again - to the point even a presidential nominee prides himself on it...

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Postby Zohar » Fri Aug 05, 2016 8:21 pm UTC

I wouldn't say bigots have been vanquished. Not when anyone who's not white is in risk of getting killed simply for being seen by the police, women's rights and control over their bodies are constantly under attack, transgender people are just as much, and it's acceptable for some kids to get taught abstinence only and never hearing the words LGBTQ in school. Sure, we don't have outright slaved anymore, and I guess same-sex marriage is legal (which is great, I live in the US because of that), but there are still many bigots in the world, and most of them aren't bigots just because of terrorists.
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Zohar wrote:I wouldn't say bigots have been vanquished. Not when anyone who's not white is in risk of getting killed simply for being seen by the police, women's rights and control over their bodies are constantly under attack, transgender people are just as much, and it's acceptable for some kids to get taught abstinence only and never hearing the words LGBTQ in school. Sure, we don't have outright slaved anymore, and I guess same-sex marriage is legal (which is great, I live in the US because of that), but there are still many bigots in the world, and most of them aren't bigots just because of terrorists.

Very true.

What happened was that "non-bigots" got complacent. The bigotry never really went away, it was just driven into the dark corners; like roaches, looking for better conditions to return.

Better conditions have come and, just like roaches, bigots are back with a vengeance. Mexicans are taking your jobs and taxes: fear and hate them. Blacks are all thugs and gang-bangers: fear and hate them. Muslims are all deranged terrorists: fear and hate them. Transvestites are going to rape your women in the restroom: fear and hate them.

I'll never shake the sickening realization that, in all likelihood, Ferguson PD deliberately hires racists...and are probably not unique in that respect.
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For those who have forgotten, Jennings, MO, (subdivision next door) shut its PD down due to problems with overt racism...and Ferguson PD immediately hired every one of the fired officers. Darren Wilson was from Jennings PD.
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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby elasto » Sat Aug 06, 2016 1:29 am UTC

Coyne wrote:What happened was that "non-bigots" got complacent. The bigotry never really went away, it was just driven into the dark corners; like roaches, looking for better conditions to return.


Oh, that's all true, but hidden bigotry is still a much better state of affairs.

You can't ever cure a bigot - all you can hope is for the bigot to grow old and die off, meanwhile educating the next generation that bigotry is wrong. That's much harder to achieve when bigotry is overt and socially acceptable than when it is shameful and forced to cower alone in the dark.

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Postby Coyne » Sat Aug 06, 2016 6:42 am UTC

elasto wrote:
Coyne wrote:What happened was that "non-bigots" got complacent. The bigotry never really went away, it was just driven into the dark corners; like roaches, looking for better conditions to return.


Oh, that's all true, but hidden bigotry is still a much better state of affairs.

You can't ever cure a bigot - all you can hope is for the bigot to grow old and die off, meanwhile educating the next generation that bigotry is wrong. That's much harder to achieve when bigotry is overt and socially acceptable than when it is shameful and forced to cower alone in the dark.


No it's not. It's just out of sight, out of mind. While they find covert ways to keep organizations/government "properly" bigoted; apply bigoted policies; continue to keep the "undesirables" oppressed; find subtle ways to punish the "undesirables"; and train the next generation of bigots.

Hidden bigotry is like living in a house with the roaches, rats, and termites you never see: you're blythely unaware of the damage being done even as your health and home is destroyed.
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Postby Sableagle » Sat Aug 06, 2016 1:25 pm UTC

Child sexual abuse inquiry: Dame Lowell Goddard asked to explain resignation to MPs

Dame Lowell Goddard has been asked to appear before MPs and explain why she resigned as chairwoman of the independent inquiry into child sexual abuse, a senior Labour MP has confirmed.

Keith Vaz, who is also the chairman of the Home Affairs Select Committee in Westminster, said it was not enough for the New Zealand high court judge to “resign and leave” and called for a thorough explanation. Mr Vaz added that the “only way” to move forward was to hear from Justice Goddard herself.

In a brief resignation statement, released on Thursday, Justice Goddard said the inquiry was beset with a “legacy of failure” and offered her resignation to the new Home Secretary Amber Rudd. She was appointed as chair of the unprecedented inquiry, set up in 2014, by then-Home Secretary Theresa May after two previous chairs walked away from the role.


She's been pretty well paid for her time, she's taken quite a lot of paid holiday and she leaves with a fat severance payment ...

... right after a lot of changes of who has which role in government.

In the paper version, it says her resignation got the name of the inquiry wrong, inserting the word "institutional" between the first three and last three words.

New people take power and it goes right back to being uninvestigated.

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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby elasto » Sat Aug 06, 2016 5:19 pm UTC

Coyne wrote:No it's not. It's just out of sight, out of mind. While they find covert ways to keep organizations/government "properly" bigoted; apply bigoted policies; continue to keep the "undesirables" oppressed; find subtle ways to punish the "undesirables"; and train the next generation of bigots.

Hidden bigotry is like living in a house with the roaches, rats, and termites you never see: you're blythely unaware of the damage being done even as your health and home is destroyed.

Then we disagree about the definition of 'hidden'. Bigotry as you describe it isn't hidden, it's just not flagrant.

Put it this way: Registrars can be as bigoted about homosexuality as they like within the confines of their own mind. But the moment they refuse to marry two people of the same sex they should be removed from office.

Then, as the next generation takes over, they see homosexuality as normal a variant as having blue eyes.

This is why the law matters, and why our leaders not being overt bigots matters. The law can't turn a bigot into a non-bigot, but it can limit the damage they can cause until society grows up.

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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby SecondTalon » Sun Aug 07, 2016 3:25 am UTC

Sableagle wrote:Apparently Oscar Mike Golf gets automatically modified to "oh me yarm" despite the fact that phrase makes me want to slap someone for using it without knowing its origin or the proper inflection. How interesting.

I'll bite.

What? What do you mean, origin or proper inflection?
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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby addams » Sun Aug 07, 2016 8:15 am UTC

Sableagle wrote:Apparently Oscar Mike Golf gets automatically modified to "oh me yarm" despite the fact that phrase makes me want to slap someone for using it without knowing its origin or the proper inflection. How interesting.

oh..That.
It has been that way for Years and Years.

A word filter may still be working that turns (.. i forget) into,
"I lost twenty-dollars and my self respect."

Those two were my very first encounters with word filters.

After riding the Mod. Madness Week Wave many times,
I'm not surprised to see, "oh me yarm". We get off easy.

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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby Sableagle » Sun Aug 07, 2016 9:02 am UTC

SecondTalon wrote:
Sableagle wrote:Apparently Oscar Mike Golf gets automatically modified to "oh me yarm" despite the fact that phrase makes me want to slap someone for using it without knowing its origin or the proper inflection. How interesting.

I'll bite.

What? What do you mean, origin or proper inflection?


Glaswegians get annoyed by people saying "Och aye tha noo" without knowing what it means ("Oh, yes, right now!") and without getting the accent right, just as one example. Yorkshire has the glottal stop for "the" as seen in the far-too-oft-repeated "trouble at t'mill," and many, many people say "trouble at tut mill" instead, which is wrong and annoys some Yorkshire people after the thirtieth time in a year. Imitating an Irish accent badly can annoy Irish people. I'm sure there are Cockney phrases that annoy actual Cockneys when non-Cockneys misuse them. Reading my own post and not knowing how it should sound in my head because the words in it aren't the words I typed and aren't a phrase I know bugs me, because I'm bound to get it wrong. There is an obvious solution for my own words, which is to use "oh, dear, sweet little horse-faced fishes" instead in future, but if I'm quoting someone else from real life and that person didn't say "oh, dear, sweet little horse-faced fishes" and did say something a bit like "Uwemjiy" or "ooohhmmaahgooorrrd" then I'm denied the ability to quote that accurately and I don't know whether it's appropriate to attribute "oh me yarm" to that person.
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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby SecondTalon » Sun Aug 07, 2016 10:56 am UTC

St. Kitts/Nevis dialect. From an amazing Mod Madness where Angua filtered a large chunk of the forum to her dialect.

Does that help?
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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby Sableagle » Sun Aug 07, 2016 11:26 am UTC

Well, it clears it up, so thanks. I'm not aware of anyone who'd be offended by being quoted in that dialect, but not knowing it's offensive and being offensive aren't mutually exclusive.
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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby SecondTalon » Sun Aug 07, 2016 11:52 am UTC

Understood. On the other hand, given that Angua put it in, could easily request to have it removed, and specifically put it (and many many many many more) to reflect her dialect, it's far more of an inclusion than a mockery.

Of course, we would address it if someone had an issue with it, but we've got a rather small St. Kitts/Nevis population here.

I'd add some of my own, but discussions of depressions in valleys and small waterways limit the usage of holler and crick, and y'all is fairly ubiquitous anyway.
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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby Sableagle » Sun Aug 07, 2016 12:51 pm UTC

We had plenty around here 30 years ago but thanks to the wonders of TV everybody sounds like a mixture of Grange ill, Dallas, Dynasty, Dirty Harry, Fresh Prince of Bel Air, Neighbours, Hollyoaks, Crossroads, EastEnders, Friends, The Simpsons, Family Guy, Home and Away, Baywatch and Mythbusters ... except Geordies, who sound like Geordies:

"'Ere, Docker, Ah've go' choc'la' i' me belly bu'n an' i' smells lack coke'nut."
"Aye, it's boon' te."
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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby sardia » Sun Aug 07, 2016 3:24 pm UTC

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... story.html
According to a recent report, at least 30 people suffered serious medical problems — such as strokes, heart attacks and pulmonary embolisms — because they stopped taking Xarelto without their doctors’ approval after seeing the commercial. when patients see these ads, they panic. In 2003, my organization surveyed 300 patients; a quarter said they would stop taking their medication immediately if they saw an advertisement regarding litigation over the drug. In another survey (commissioned by the National Council for Community Behavioral Healthcare and Eli Lilly, a pharmaceutical company), 402 psychiatrists treating patients with antipsychotic drugs for schizophrenia and bipolar disorders were contacted. Ninety-seven percent said they’d had at least one patient who stopped taking medications without their approval. Half of those patients did so because of law firm advertisements.

Scary commercials advocating getting a lawyer to sue for drug damages scare patients to death as they stop taking their drugs.

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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby Tyndmyr » Mon Aug 08, 2016 2:43 pm UTC

elasto wrote:
Coyne wrote:No it's not. It's just out of sight, out of mind. While they find covert ways to keep organizations/government "properly" bigoted; apply bigoted policies; continue to keep the "undesirables" oppressed; find subtle ways to punish the "undesirables"; and train the next generation of bigots.

Hidden bigotry is like living in a house with the roaches, rats, and termites you never see: you're blythely unaware of the damage being done even as your health and home is destroyed.

Then we disagree about the definition of 'hidden'. Bigotry as you describe it isn't hidden, it's just not flagrant.

Put it this way: Registrars can be as bigoted about homosexuality as they like within the confines of their own mind. But the moment they refuse to marry two people of the same sex they should be removed from office.

Then, as the next generation takes over, they see homosexuality as normal a variant as having blue eyes.

This is why the law matters, and why our leaders not being overt bigots matters. The law can't turn a bigot into a non-bigot, but it can limit the damage they can cause until society grows up.


While I agree that personal prejudice should not be a valid reason for a Registrar doing their job or not, I think you're maybe pretty optimistic with the "next generation taking over" bit. Prejudice is passed along in many ways, I think. Particularly in a bureaucracy, it's easy for someone to be essentially griefed by finding all sorts of other reasons to unequally apply tedious restrictions. I mean, other factors, like race, have been illegal to discriminate on for some time, but I don't think it's reasonable to presume that racism is gone.

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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby elasto » Mon Aug 08, 2016 5:08 pm UTC

Tyndmyr wrote:While I agree that personal prejudice should not be a valid reason for a Registrar doing their job or not, I think you're maybe pretty optimistic with the "next generation taking over" bit.

Well, obviously it's dependent on schools doing their bit as well. If schools fail to indoctrinate equality then, yes, the process begins over again with the subsequent generation.

Prejudice is passed along in many ways, I think. Particularly in a bureaucracy, it's easy for someone to be essentially griefed by finding all sorts of other reasons to unequally apply tedious restrictions.

Absolutely. I wouldn't term that hidden racism though. It's still open, it's just harder to call out.

If management can spot a pattern, or a whistleblower speaks out, then action can still be taken.

I mean, other factors, like race, have been illegal to discriminate on for some time, but I don't think it's reasonable to presume that racism is gone.

Who's presuming racism has gone? Takes 80 years for a racist to die off, and in many ways we just reset the clocks...

Not sure what the alternative is here, guys. I'm saying the best we can achieve is to force bigotry underground until it withers and dies. To do more than that you'd have to criminalize bigotted thoughts, and I presume noone here would advocate that..?


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