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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby CorruptUser » Sat Oct 01, 2016 11:19 pm UTC

Wasn't Allende in the process of nationalizing the farms though? Quite sure that that sort of thing has historically ended... poorly.

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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby Coyne » Sun Oct 02, 2016 4:45 pm UTC

CorruptUser wrote:Wasn't Allende in the process of nationalizing the farms though? Quite sure that that sort of thing has historically ended... poorly.

Oh, yes, you're right. That would have been horrible. The murders, torture, and internments without trial were such a huge improvement.
In all fairness...

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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby Sableagle » Wed Oct 05, 2016 5:57 pm UTC

A little girl in rebel-held east Aleppo has died from injuries inflicted by picking up an unexploded cluster munition she thought was a toy. Her two sisters, aged seven and ten, were also hurt, but their conditions had stabilised by Wednesday, doctors told the Aleppo Media Centre and confirmed to The Independent.

Some 250,000 people remain trapped in east Aleppo while new ‘bunker-buster’ ground-penetrating bombs, white phosphorous and napalm have been dropped on their neighbourhoods. Hundreds of people have died in the recent onslaught, and up to half of the casulties are thought to be children, according to estimates from Save the Children. Unicef said that 96 children were killed and 223 injured last week alone.

On Monday, the largest hospital in Aleppo, M10, was completely destroyed in a new air attack after initially being hit last week, the Syrian American Medical Society and activists on the ground said. At least three staff members still at the hospital died under the rubble, although patients had already been evacuated to other facilities.

East Aleppo has just five functioning hospitals, three of which have emergency units, and around 30 doctors left to treat thousands of people in need of critical care.

The Syrian and Russian governments deny that air strikes target civilian buildings.
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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby addams » Wed Oct 05, 2016 6:31 pm UTC

Sableagle wrote:
A little girl in rebel-held east Aleppo has died from injuries inflicted by picking up an unexploded cluster munition she thought was a toy. Her two sisters, aged seven and ten, were also hurt, but their conditions had stabilised by Wednesday, doctors told the Aleppo Media Centre and confirmed to The Independent.

Some 250,000 people remain trapped in east Aleppo while new ‘bunker-buster’ ground-penetrating bombs, white phosphorous and napalm have been dropped on their neighbourhoods. Hundreds of people have died in the recent onslaught, and up to half of the casulties are thought to be children, according to estimates from Save the Children. Unicef said that 96 children were killed and 223 injured last week alone.

On Monday, the largest hospital in Aleppo, M10, was completely destroyed in a new air attack after initially being hit last week, the Syrian American Medical Society and activists on the ground said. At least three staff members still at the hospital died under the rubble, although patients had already been evacuated to other facilities.

East Aleppo has just five functioning hospitals, three of which have emergency units, and around 30 doctors left to treat thousands of people in need of critical care.

The Syrian and Russian governments deny that air strikes target civilian buildings.

Gee.
Two weeks ago, I heard it a different way.
This has hung heavy on my heart sense the day I was told.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/18/world ... .html?_r=0
Spoiler:
BEIRUT, Lebanon — The United States acknowledged on Saturday that its warplanes had carried out an airstrike in Syria that resulted in the deaths of Syrian government troops. American military officials said the pilots in the attack, in the eastern province of Deir al-Zour, believed they were targeting the Islamic State.

Russia’s defense ministry said the United States attack had killed 62 Syrian troops, wounded 100 more and opened the way for an Islamic State offensive.

The episode comes at a time of escalating tensions in Syria. A partial cease-fire that started on Monday continues to steadily unravel after it was declared with much fanfare by the United States and Russia.

A statement by United States Central Command said that the planes stopped the attack after a warning from Russia that the strikes could be hitting Syrian troops.

An oppsy? The US made an oopsy?
(jesse) What is the Truth?

Half a world away, mistakes are being made.
What dark news.

We, the U.S., seem to be the world's worse house guests.
At best we seem to be clumsy. Have they asked us to go?

Or; Is it all Rumor to entertain us with Horror?
Like a Train Wreck, it is difficult to look away.
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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby Sableagle » Wed Oct 05, 2016 8:25 pm UTC

Sableagle, I have had it with your megaposts. This forum is not your personal blog, and you don't get to demand attention by swamping the screen.

Next time that you make some ill-considered dump of text, you'll get a temporary ban. If you are uncertain what counts as , contact me and we'll discuss it.

-- Zamfir

Spoiler:
The USAF is famous for making mistakes, and you should probably take a salt tablet and a large drink of water before reading the last five years' news about Syria.

As many as 22 people are dead after an Isis suicide bomber targeted a Kurdish wedding party in northeast Syria, a monitor has said.

The UK-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, which relies on a network of contacts across the country, revised the death toll from Monday’s attack in Hasekeh province up from 12 to 22. Dozens of people were wounded, Rami Abdulrahman of SOHR said. Kurdish media put the number of wounded at 47.

The groom was reported as among the dead.


The United Nations says satellite images prove an air strike destroyed an aid convoy taking aid to rebel-held parts of Aleppo province, despite Russian claims the attack was a “well-prepared hoax”.

Russian authorities have also variously claimed that the lorries may have accidentally caught fire, been struck by the US “to deflect” from their own actions or been hit by rebels despite evidence that its own forces may have been responsible.

More than 20 people were killed in the attack in northern Syria, which incinerated 18 lorries in a joint UN and Syrian Arab Red Crescent convoy just hours after the end of a fragile ceasefire last month.




A "large number" of children injured by incendiary bombs arrived in the Syrian American Medical Society hospital in Hama, a senior advisor to the aid group said.

Air strikes in Hama province on Thursday killed at least 25 civilians, including six children, the Hama-based Syrian Press Center said.

It reported at least 10 people were killed when suspected government warplanes struck a crowd of people displaced from Suran, a town north of the city of Hama. Another 15 were killed further to the west, the center added.

Earlier this week, video emerged of a badly burned Syrian child being treated with mud, because medical supplies had run out in the besieged city of Homs. Mud is being used as a cooling agent, a doctor in Homs told al-Jazeera, because medical supplies are so low there is nothing else available.


Refugee crisis: Lost children being split from parents left 'vulnerable to trafficking and abuse'

In Hungary, seven Syrian teenagers told how police forced their parents and younger siblings on to tour buses to processing camps as they were left to fend for themselves on a motorway.

Marah Babili, 19, told The Times she and six younger cousins had crossed the Aegean Sea from Turkey to reach Greece with a larger family group and journeyed north through Europe, aiming to reach Germany.

“I don't know what to do,” she said. “Suddenly I am the parent. It’s scary.”

After two nights of sleeping rough because they were refused entry to a camp in Roszke, they set off walking to another town only to be spotted by a helicopter and sent by police to the same camp.

They did not find their parents.


Hundreds of child refugees have vanished since arriving in the UK, prompting trafficking and abuse fears

Over the past five years, 9,287 children have sought safety in the UK as “unaccompanied minor” asylum seekers travelling alone, without a parent or guardian. Many of the children are fleeing war, poverty and persecution in their home countries. During this period, 360 have gone missing and are still unaccounted for. Of these, 81 of the children have been missing for five years, a further 77 children have been missing for four years and another 87 children have been missing for three.

Research by the EU’s criminal intelligence agency Europol earlier this year found 10,000 child refugees have gone missing across Europe since registering with state authorities. 5,000 children are missing in Italy, while a further 1,000 are missing in Sweden.


10,000 unaccompanied refugee children 'are missing in Europe'

It is feared many have become victims of exploitation by criminal organisations, particularly as gangs established in human trafficking are now known by Europol to be engaging refugees in sex work and slavery.

At least 340 children are known to have disappeared in the UK since registering as asylum seekers between January and September 2015, with double the number disappearing in 2015 than in 2014.

“It’s not unreasonable to say that we’re looking at 10,000-plus children” who are unaccounted for in Europe, said Mr Donald.

Europol estimates 270,000 child refugees arrived in Europe last year, more than a quarter of the 1.1 million refugees who arrived in total. According to Save the Children, 26,000 of these children were unaccompanied.

The intelligence agency has evidence child refugees have been sexually exploited in Europe.

“These kids are in the community - if they’re being abused it’s in the community. They’re not being spirited away and held in the middle of forests, though I suspect some might be. They’re in the community – they’re visible. As a population we need to be alert to this," Mr Donald said.

The figures come as David Cameron refused calls to resettle 3,000 unaccompanied child refugees living unaccompanied in Europe.


Refugee children in France being sexually exploited and forced into crime by traffickers, says Unicef

Refugee children are being sexually exploited and forced to work tirelessly by traffickers in northern France, an extensive report by Unicef is to reveal.

Young people from Syria and Libya told the charity they suffer a range of abuses at camps in Dunkirk and Calais, including being coerced into performing sex acts on traffickers and forced to commit crimes.

“Every day people would try to find ways of leaving. My friends and I tried to get on a train to get away – I saw two friends die under that train.”


Refugee crisis: Nearly 6,000 children went missing in Germany last year

According to the Local, an answer from the interior ministry to the German Parliament revealed that last year 5,835 unaccompanied teens and children were reported missing. Of those, 555 were younger than 14-years-old.


If the website'll allow it, here's a representation of that figure:
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5,835 dots.

One for each known missing child.

That's children who did get to Europe, not the ones who drowned on the way.
Oh, Willie McBride, it was all done in vain.

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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby Tyndmyr » Wed Oct 05, 2016 8:26 pm UTC

Dear god, can you cut that down to something that doesn't bork the whole screen?

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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby Sizik » Wed Oct 05, 2016 8:28 pm UTC

Tyndmyr wrote:Dear god, can you cut that down to something that doesn't bork the whole screen?

It's addams's post, not Sableagle.
gmalivuk wrote:
King Author wrote:If space (rather, distance) is an illusion, it'd be possible for one meta-me to experience both body's sensory inputs.
Yes. And if wishes were horses, wishing wells would fill up very quickly with drowned horses.

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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby Sableagle » Wed Oct 05, 2016 9:00 pm UTC

Sizik wrote:
Tyndmyr wrote:Dear god, can you cut that down to something that doesn't bork the whole screen?

It's addams's post, not Sableagle.

... and the spoilers are weird. Open the second, the first disappears. Close the second and open the first and the second spoiler plus some non-spoilered text disappear.
Oh, Willie McBride, it was all done in vain.

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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby Sizik » Wed Oct 05, 2016 9:58 pm UTC

It's what happens when you do something like

Code: Select all

[quote][spoiler][/quote][/spoiler]
gmalivuk wrote:
King Author wrote:If space (rather, distance) is an illusion, it'd be possible for one meta-me to experience both body's sensory inputs.
Yes. And if wishes were horses, wishing wells would fill up very quickly with drowned horses.

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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby addams » Wed Oct 05, 2016 11:44 pm UTC

Sizik wrote:
Tyndmyr wrote:Dear god, can you cut that down to something that doesn't bork the whole screen?

It's addams's post, not Sableagle.

Really?
Is there something technically Wrong with my post?

Inside the Spoiler is text from the linked article.
Outside the Spoiler is my opinion of the text.
Spoiler:
Outside of a book, Dog is man's best friend.
Inside of a Dog, it is too dark to read.
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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby CorruptUser » Thu Oct 06, 2016 2:51 am UTC

Coyne wrote:
CorruptUser wrote:Wasn't Allende in the process of nationalizing the farms though? Quite sure that that sort of thing has historically ended... poorly.

Oh, yes, you're right. That would have been horrible. The murders, torture, and internments without trial were such a huge improvement.


You snark, but I actually wonder if Chile would've been worse off. Would it have been a hiccup, or would Chile resemble Zimbabwe or Venezuela?

And yes I realize how macabre this convo is. It's definitely something worth debating in an academic setting, though outside one the emotions tend to cloud things. Because brutal dictatorships and all. Just that, if you were to ask me when I was a young teen if there was anything worse than living under a dictatorship I would tell you of course not. Then we removed that brutal dictatorship that was Saddam, and that turned to shit. We removed gadddafi, that turned to shit. Semi removed Assad, and well... I nope always play devil's advocate when it comes to brutal dictators.

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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby Angua » Thu Oct 06, 2016 7:30 am UTC

Tyndmyr wrote:Dear god, can you cut that down to something that doesn't bork the whole screen?

Subsilver ftw.

It has never been affected by this problem.
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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby sardia » Thu Oct 06, 2016 3:25 pm UTC

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/won ... its-worse/
Social mobility and income mobility was worse than previously thought. The reason is illustrated below.
If a financial elite parent has a worthless son who becomes a poet, he's giving up a lot of income, so he's poorer. Now that poet has another kid, who decides it sucks to be poorer. When he becomes a rich banker, income mobility shows that the family went from poor poet to rich banker. When in reality, the newly minted banker was drawing on resources of the larger family. When you measure income mobility beyond parent-kids, and include grand parents, income mobility crashes and falls apart.

Tldr There's an illusion of Horatio Alger's rags to riches myth, which is just that to most Americans. A myth.

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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby addams » Thu Oct 06, 2016 4:40 pm UTC

sardia wrote:https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/10/06/striking-new-research-on-inequality-whatever-you-thought-its-worse/
Social mobility and income mobility was worse than previously thought. The reason is illustrated below.
If a financial elite parent has a worthless son who becomes a poet, he's giving up a lot of income, so he's poorer. Now that poet has another kid, who decides it sucks to be poorer. When he becomes a rich banker, income mobility shows that the family went from poor poet to rich banker. When in reality, the newly minted banker was drawing on resources of the larger family. When you measure income mobility beyond parent-kids, and include grand parents, income mobility crashes and falls apart.

Tldr There's an illusion of Horatio Alger's rags to riches myth, which is just that to most Americans. A myth.
oh...yes..The Myth.
Review is good for everyone.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horatio_Alger_myth

We humans tell each other stories.
That man's stories helped inspire the 'real life' stories of a generation of men and women.

What dark stories.

Not far from where I live is a small park.
It is a peaceful, almost serene place.
Spoiler:
It was the location of a Log Storage Pond.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upsZZ2s3xv8

Men would walk into camp more dead than alive.
The stories say, 'We were told to not learn their names.'

Why? Why not learn their names?
Because;...

They were going to be given dangerous jobs they were unprepared for.
We were told to not name farm animals for the very same reason.
Old News...
Sandy...Sandy who?

Sandy Hook?
Or
Sandra Bland?

Sandra Bland‘s death horrified the nation. Bland, at just 28 years old, was driving home after having landed her dream job, when former Texas state trooper Brian Encinia stopped her for supposedly failing to signal a lane change. The stop devolved into a beating off-camera, an arrest, and Bland would be found hanging dead in a Waller County Texas jail cell three days later.

Although Bland’s death followed a string of high-profile racially charged deaths of unarmed black men at the hands of white police, her hanging death rattled public sensibilities because of this country’s history of lynching and the role of law enforcement therein:

Michael Brown is the name of uniformed murder.

Why not Sandra Bland? That's Dark News.
What were the last hours of Sandy's life like?

What?
Too dark?
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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby CorruptUser » Thu Oct 06, 2016 6:38 pm UTC

sardia wrote:https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/10/06/striking-new-research-on-inequality-whatever-you-thought-its-worse/
Social mobility and income mobility was worse than previously thought. The reason is illustrated below.
If a financial elite parent has a worthless son who becomes a poet, he's giving up a lot of income, so he's poorer. Now that poet has another kid, who decides it sucks to be poorer. When he becomes a rich banker, income mobility shows that the family went from poor poet to rich banker. When in reality, the newly minted banker was drawing on resources of the larger family. When you measure income mobility beyond parent-kids, and include grand parents, income mobility crashes and falls apart.

Tldr There's an illusion of Horatio Alger's rags to riches myth, which is just that to most Americans. A myth.


The article may have had a salient point, but I stopped reading that shite as soon as I saw "only 20% of the middle fifth would make it to the top fifth". No fucking shit. That's like saying "40% of sick days happen on Fridays and Mondays". 20% of a bracket making it to the top 5th is exactly what you'd expect if starting and ending brackets were independent.

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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby Tyndmyr » Thu Oct 06, 2016 6:44 pm UTC

CorruptUser wrote:The article may have had a salient point, but I stopped reading that shite as soon as I saw "only 20% of the middle fifth would make it to the top fifth". No fucking shit. That's like saying "40% of sick days happen on Fridays and Mondays". 20% of a bracket making it to the top 5th is exactly what you'd expect if starting and ending brackets were independent.


They clearly do have an axe to grind. The fact that they describe that as "not much better" than the "less than 10% of the bottom quintile" is kind of hilarious, and indicates that the writer really is rubbish at understanding numbers. There's a valid point in there about the bottom quintile having a marked disadvantage, but they promptly wreck it with the ridiculous middle class bit.

The actual discovery is "educational attainment correlates more with grandparents than we realized", and yeah, that's going to correlate with wealth, but it's being horribly misrepresented here to make it seem more dramatic.

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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby PeteP » Thu Oct 06, 2016 7:14 pm UTC

CorruptUser wrote:
sardia wrote:https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/10/06/striking-new-research-on-inequality-whatever-you-thought-its-worse/
Social mobility and income mobility was worse than previously thought. The reason is illustrated below.
If a financial elite parent has a worthless son who becomes a poet, he's giving up a lot of income, so he's poorer. Now that poet has another kid, who decides it sucks to be poorer. When he becomes a rich banker, income mobility shows that the family went from poor poet to rich banker. When in reality, the newly minted banker was drawing on resources of the larger family. When you measure income mobility beyond parent-kids, and include grand parents, income mobility crashes and falls apart.

Tldr There's an illusion of Horatio Alger's rags to riches myth, which is just that to most Americans. A myth.


The article may have had a salient point, but I stopped reading that shite as soon as I saw "only 20% of the middle fifth would make it to the top fifth". No fucking shit. That's like saying "40% of sick days happen on Fridays and Mondays". 20% of a bracket making it to the top 5th is exactly what you'd expect if starting and ending brackets were independent.

Only true if age is uncorrelated with the bracket you are in. (If people tend to go upward during your life you would expect higher numbers.)

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Postby CorruptUser » Thu Oct 06, 2016 8:44 pm UTC

This is why I think journalism degrees should have probability and statistics as a mandatory course. No, not "interpreting" it, but being able to calculate standard deviations given the number of observations and sample variance. Hold on while I start my rant about journalism in general...

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I'd throw in some basic microbiology there, too. Viruses and bacteria aren't the same thing, and MRSA is a problem.
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Postby Chen » Fri Oct 07, 2016 11:38 am UTC

CorruptUser wrote:The article may have had a salient point, but I stopped reading that shite as soon as I saw "only 20% of the middle fifth would make it to the top fifth". No fucking shit. That's like saying "40% of sick days happen on Fridays and Mondays". 20% of a bracket making it to the top 5th is exactly what you'd expect if starting and ending brackets were independent.


Why would you expect starting and ending brackets to be independent though? I mean inheritance alone shows they aren't, let alone any other advantages you get in the higher brackets.

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Chen wrote:
CorruptUser wrote:The article may have had a salient point, but I stopped reading that shite as soon as I saw "only 20% of the middle fifth would make it to the top fifth". No fucking shit. That's like saying "40% of sick days happen on Fridays and Mondays". 20% of a bracket making it to the top 5th is exactly what you'd expect if starting and ending brackets were independent.


Why would you expect starting and ending brackets to be independent though? I mean inheritance alone shows they aren't, let alone any other advantages you get in the higher brackets.


Oh I don't expect independence at all. Even in a perfect world that wouldn't be the case. But 20% of the middle going to the top is a good number, not a bad one. 10% of the bottom making it to the top is by far and away better than what I was expecting.

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Postby Tyndmyr » Fri Oct 07, 2016 2:56 pm UTC

Yeah, it's really not terrible. Sure, rich people have an advantage, but that probably isn't surprising to anyone.

The gap gets a lot bigger when you start looking closer than quintiles. You can become a millionare pretty easily without having a millionare dad, but it's quite unlikely to become a billionare without having at least a millionare parent. Too big of a jump for most to make. Rags to pretty well off is far more likely than going all the way from one extreme to the other. Again, probably not very surprising.

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Postby Angua » Fri Oct 07, 2016 3:05 pm UTC

More Tory Xenophobia

I'm beginning to wish this country had never given me a British passport (when I was born here, they said I needed more British grandparents, despite having a british born mother and grandmother, and a grandfather who was born in the british empire, but country had the audacity to leave 7 years previously).

This is making me angrier and angrier.
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The Tories clearly don't give a shit anymore. They're getting rather comfortable with an ineffective opposition.
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Oh, Willie McBride, it was all done in vain.

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"It is sad in every sense that the men using the services of this agency look upon women as status symbols - and sad, too, that girls and women are still being given the message that their value is dependent on their looks above all else”

Not sure I can agree this is wrong. Models, are hired on looks, looks are by definition apart of your job.

Maybe it's a bad thing, but if you can't physically do the job should the company have to go out of their way to allow you to be in the position? How far should they have to go?
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Postby Zohar » Thu Oct 13, 2016 12:52 pm UTC

It's a complicated problem - a beautiful salesperson would probably make more sales than an equally qualified but unattractive person, so in theory it does make sense for a company to go for the prettier job candidate. But that's not the only qualification that goes into a job, and the parameter that should determine this at the end is "who can sell more stuff?", not "who's prettier" (since obviously you can have incredibly untalented attractive people as well).

The "can't do the job" argument is relevant, but not with regards to beauty. The job is seldom to be beautiful. Even for models, the job isn't to be beautiful, it's to promote and sell a product. The article describes a hospitality team position, which isn't a job that requires specific physical qualifications. One case where it might, is if the hotel isn't accessible to people using wheelchairs - then you could say you need to hire someone who doesn't need a wheelchair. Though in many countries, you could easily and rightfully argue the hotel should make itself accessible (I don't know what the laws regarding that are in Abu Dhabi).

Same with any other job. If you need to hire an electrician, you need to define the skills that are required. One of them might be "being able to stand in a crane and operate heavy machinery", and that would be an inherent part of the job that some people may not access.
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Postby Sableagle » Thu Oct 13, 2016 4:21 pm UTC

krogoth wrote:Maybe it's a bad thing, but if you can't physically do the job should the company have to go out of their way to allow you to be in the position? How far should they have to go?

I don't know about Abu D, but here in the UK there's a law that says employers have to make reasonable adjustment for employees' disabilities, difficulties, specific needs and so on, and I know the woman who wrote the book on it, but am not an expert myself. I could pass the question along if you really want to know but she's kind of busy.

On a hospitality team, the actual requirement is to match a particular demographic's idea of "sexy young women" and that presumably does include the particulars given (including being at least a few inches shorter than the men, who like to feel tall), but the formal list of duties is probably rather different and that's what would be used in a court case as the definition of the job. Here, they'd be wide open to a discrimination suit from anyone who perfectly matched the description except that she was a brunette, for example. Disability, no. Race? Yep. There, I don't know.
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Postby LaserGuy » Thu Oct 13, 2016 10:34 pm UTC

CorruptUser wrote:
Coyne wrote:
CorruptUser wrote:Wasn't Allende in the process of nationalizing the farms though? Quite sure that that sort of thing has historically ended... poorly.

Oh, yes, you're right. That would have been horrible. The murders, torture, and internments without trial were such a huge improvement.


You snark, but I actually wonder if Chile would've been worse off. Would it have been a hiccup, or would Chile resemble Zimbabwe or Venezuela?

And yes I realize how macabre this convo is. It's definitely something worth debating in an academic setting, though outside one the emotions tend to cloud things. Because brutal dictatorships and all. Just that, if you were to ask me when I was a young teen if there was anything worse than living under a dictatorship I would tell you of course not. Then we removed that brutal dictatorship that was Saddam, and that turned to shit. We removed gadddafi, that turned to shit. Semi removed Assad, and well... I nope always play devil's advocate when it comes to brutal dictators.


I think the historical data tends to support the premise that chaos is generally worse than all but the most viscous or genocidal of governments.

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Postby jseah » Thu Oct 13, 2016 10:38 pm UTC

Why would the actual requirements not be "sexy young woman"? Seems like a reasonable thing from the perspective of the hosts.

This is also likely to be a wishlist of sorts. And there are also personality requirements. Eg. A woman who fits all of it but is too flippant and undedicated would not be hired before another woman who is diligent but is 1 inch too tall. (Presumably she could just be matched to a slightly taller guest)
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Postby Angua » Sat Oct 15, 2016 7:22 pm UTC

This fucking government.

They are denying the visa application for someone to enter the UK to give a stem cell transplant to her dying sister.
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Postby Sableagle » Mon Oct 17, 2016 5:47 pm UTC

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If anybody really wants to know,
French police have been stripping refugees and migrants of their shoes and forcing them to walk in bare feet to deter them from venturing outside the Calais Jungle. The claims, which also include allegations that police have been “confiscating” mobile phones ... Observers fear migrants will face further violence when French authorities begin to dismantle the camp, a process that is set to begin within the next fortnight.
I wonder what one does with a huge number of second-hand shoes.

So ... can't leave, can't stay, can't call for help ... no hope, no home, no voice, eh?

It should be the anniversary of something.
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Postby speising » Mon Oct 17, 2016 5:51 pm UTC

Sableagle wrote:
Spoiler:
If anybody really wants to know,
French police have been stripping refugees and migrants of their shoes and forcing them to walk in bare feet to deter them from venturing outside the Calais Jungle. The claims, which also include allegations that police have been “confiscating” mobile phones ... Observers fear migrants will face further violence when French authorities begin to dismantle the camp, a process that is set to begin within the next fortnight.
I wonder what one does with a huge number of second-hand shoes.

So ... can't leave, can't stay, can't call for help ... no hope, no home, no voice, eh?

It should be the anniversary of something.
1771 – Premiere in Milan of the opera Ascanio in Alba, composed by Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart, age 15.
1941 – German troops execute the male population of the villages Kerdyllia in Serres, Greece.
1943 – The Holocaust: Sobibór extermination camp is closed.
1961 – Scores of Algerian protesters (some claim up to 400) are massacred by the Paris police at the instigation of former Nazi collaborator Maurice Papon, then chief of the Prefecture of Police.


Spoiler:
Why are you posting this, if you don't want people to read it?

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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby Chen » Mon Oct 17, 2016 6:33 pm UTC

And what the hell is up with the tiny text?

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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby Thesh » Mon Oct 17, 2016 6:48 pm UTC

I think they are just trying to be annoying.
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Postby Zohar » Mon Oct 17, 2016 6:52 pm UTC

It's working.
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Postby Sableagle » Mon Oct 17, 2016 10:09 pm UTC

Oh, Willie McBride, it was all done in vain.

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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby CorruptUser » Tue Oct 18, 2016 3:37 am UTC

It's better if you don't use the size function at all.

Because it's annoying

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Postby Mambrino » Thu Oct 20, 2016 7:57 am UTC

BBC: Germany shooting: Policeman dies in raid on far-right gunman

A German 32-year-old special forces officer has died of his wounds after being shot during a raid on the home of a man linked to a far-right movement.

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