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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby Zohar » Wed Jan 25, 2017 8:53 pm UTC

Well, yeah, but I'm unclear why a doctor, even a bigot doctor, would bother and spend extra time to write that.
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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby Chen » Wed Jan 25, 2017 9:09 pm UTC

Zohar wrote:Well, yeah, but I'm unclear why a doctor, even a bigot doctor, would bother and spend extra time to write that.


A bigot wanting to shame a person? I could see that as a reason. Sexual orientation can make sense for gay men in places where blood donation is restricted, though that isn't the case here AND even in that case it shouldn't show up under "Medical Problems".

I'm not sure how "She said they told her that lesbianism was listed as a medical problem to protect her from being offended" makes any sense though.

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Postby Angua » Wed Jan 25, 2017 10:05 pm UTC

I don't know why someone would put that in medical problems and it is not appropriate.

I do wonder if it was there at this point because someone had added at some point and they just print out the stored information on to a form for every time. That would make sense I guess because having a stores summary like that can help save a lot of time. Again, shouldn't have been there in the first place.

As for the protecting from being offended bit, I can see the convoluted logic that it would stop the awkward moment when someone assumes the partner is male. I've seen that happen. Again not an appropriate reason to add it to medical problems.
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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby morriswalters » Wed Jan 25, 2017 10:10 pm UTC

Zohar wrote:
morriswalters wrote:She's may not want to share any more than she has.

I'm not sure what you mean. I don't see how this is relevant to blood work, so why was it mentioned at all? Doctors have talked with me about my sexual practices, but those haven't been recorded, just risk factors. And most lesbians are at a much lower risk for STIs than other people.
I just thought she might not care for all the attention into more private areas of her life. They marred the image, which I assume was to protect her privacy.

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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby sardia » Thu Jan 26, 2017 6:22 am UTC

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/25/us/p ... ation.html
A leaked draft shows Trump is seriously considering bringing back the infamous CIA "Black Sites" where extraordinary rendition took place, aka kidnapping and torture.

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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby Zohar » Thu Jan 26, 2017 2:01 pm UTC

morriswalters wrote:They marred the image, which I assume was to protect her privacy.

There's a difference between wanting to expose yourself on the news and protected information under doctor-patient confidentiality...
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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby RCT Bob » Thu Jan 26, 2017 3:53 pm UTC

sardia wrote:https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/25/us/politics/executive-order-leaked-draft-national-security-trump-administration.html
A leaked draft shows Trump is seriously considering bringing back the infamous CIA "Black Sites" where extraordinary rendition took place, aka kidnapping and torture.


I saw that too at link. I think it's a dangerous direction to go in. As far as I know torture is not a good method of getting information as captives will say pretty much anything, not necessarily the truth, just to end the torture.

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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby morriswalters » Thu Jan 26, 2017 4:13 pm UTC

Zohar wrote:
morriswalters wrote:They marred the image, which I assume was to protect her privacy.

There's a difference between wanting to expose yourself on the news and protected information under doctor-patient confidentiality...
I'm not arguing any point. The doctor is a moron. But I assumed that she wanted to protect as much of her privacy as she could while still disseminating information about his dickhood. So why he put something that stupid down isn't my business, the fact that he did it is. However that is merely my uninformed perspective. And that is all that I meant by what I posted.

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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby Sableagle » Thu Jan 26, 2017 4:55 pm UTC

RCT Bob wrote:
sardia wrote:https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/25/us/politics/executive-order-leaked-draft-national-security-trump-administration.html
A leaked draft shows Trump is seriously considering bringing back the infamous CIA "Black Sites" where extraordinary rendition took place, aka kidnapping and torture.


I saw that too at link. I think it's a dangerous direction to go in. As far as I know torture is not a good method of getting information as captives will say pretty much anything, not necessarily the truth, just to end the torture.

That and the usefulness of the general knowledge that "your" people torture "their" people as a recruiting tool for a war against "you" are pretty good reasons to support it. The guy who comes into work shouting about football, shouts louder if anyone else tries to speak and occasionally says things like "You shut the fuck up; nobody cares about whatever you're talking about," "It's going to be great now that Trump's in because he's going to bomb the shit out of ISIS," "Kill everyone and go there for vacation," "Why should refugees get houses? They didn't have to come here," and so on will support the use of torture, though, and that's more important to Trump than whether it's legal, whether it's moral, whether it helps or harms US businesses, whether it increases or decreases US deaths from terrorism or whether Tangier Island and Isle de Jean Charles join Bayocean nearer to 2040 or to 2090 (or, y'know, trivial little things like the futures of a few million Syrians).
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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby sardia » Sat Feb 11, 2017 1:31 pm UTC

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/10/us/i ... ation.html
Looks like the Republicans were right, there IS massive voting fraud. Yea, take that you dirty Mexican who has permanent residence in the US, how dare you vote twice in ignorance of the law. Too bad she wasn't white, then she'd be like that Trump voter who tried voting twice.

In all seriousness, the case is unusual in the severeness of the sentence. People who have committed conspiracy to do voter fraud get probation. Instead, she will get 5-8 years in jail. And then she will be deported because anyone who has a green card will be deported when they commit a felony. Guess what's going to happen in 2018? More voter suppression.

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Postby Liri » Sat Feb 11, 2017 1:34 pm UTC

If it happened once, it happened millions of times.
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Postby Sableagle » Sat Feb 11, 2017 2:25 pm UTC

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Ministers say child refugee scheme they are closing early ‘incentivises’ children to become refugees

The Government has defended its early closure of the child refugees scheme, arguing that the programme could “incentivise” children to travel to Europe.

Last year ministers said they would accept 3,000 unaccompanied child refugees but in a statement, snuck out during the Brexit debate yesterday, the Home Office announced it would be taking just 350.

“The Government has always been clear that we do not want to incentivise perilous journeys to Europe particularly by the most vulnerable children,” Amber Rudd said.

Ms Rudd said she was “proud” of the Government’s policy on the issue.

Ms Rudd insisted that the scheme was “not closing” but merely that it would not take in as many children as had been suggested in Parliamentary debates.

The Government conceded the child refugee scheme last year after a campaign by Lord Dubs, a former Jewish refugee who fled the Nazis in the 1930s as part of the Kindertransport scheme.


Disabled child refugees entry to UK through resettlement scheme suspended by Home Office

The Government has stopped accepting disabled child refugees fleeing war in Syria and other countries because it says it cannot cope with their needs, The Independent can reveal.

A flagship government programme to resettle the most vulnerable victims of conflict in the Middle East and North Africa has been partially suspended, meaning children will be left in refugee camps instead of being moved to safety in the UK.

The crisis affecting the Government’s refugee programmes deepened as it emerged that its Vulnerable Children’s Resettlement Scheme, which is supposed to rehome 3,000 children with their families from countries including Syria, Libya, Yemen and Iraq, is not accepting young people with complex needs, including disabilities and learning difficulties.

The United Nations Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR), which processes applications, said the Home Office had requested it “temporarily limit” requests from people with mobility problems and learning disabilities because there was not “suitable reception capacity” for them.

The Independent understands the Home Office has been refusing to consider applications from people with disabilities since at least the beginning of January. It is understood that no end date to the suspension has yet been set.


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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby CorruptUser » Mon Feb 13, 2017 7:56 am UTC

Probably not. I'm under the impression that they'd evacuate for even a "low" chance of 1 in 100, but I don't know what the threshold is. 1 in 10,000?

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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby Diadem » Mon Feb 13, 2017 10:19 am UTC

1:10,000 is ridiculous.

Here in The Netherlands we have standard norms for flood risk. For the most densely populated areas the level of acceptable risk is once every 10,000 years. This is for sea flooding. For river flooding the safety standards are lower because river floods are less deadly or costly. I can imagine that the safety standards for dams should be higher, because dam floods are even more deadly that sea floods. But still, a 1:10,000 chance of failure has got to be pretty close to acceptable norms.

So does anybody know what went wrong with this dam? Is the rainfall really so truly exceptional, were some calculations off, or is this a result of poor maintenance?
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Postby Sableagle » Mon Feb 13, 2017 11:17 am UTC

California's busy catching up on its last 10 years' rainfall. The dam was planned and built with certain assumptions about the rain coming at a steadier sort of rate. You can't bake a region for ten years then saturate it without stuff changing.

https://ca.water.usgs.gov/data/drought/
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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby Angua » Mon Feb 13, 2017 11:21 am UTC

It looks like the problem is with the spillway to relieve pressure, not the main dam wall itself. Seems to imply that spillway might have been damaged in landslides that happened due to the large amount of rain. I'm guessing that it's a combination of that, plus the larger than expected amount of water going through the spillway.
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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby addams » Mon Feb 13, 2017 12:40 pm UTC

I am on the Southern Oregon Coast.

In the past, I have seen Rain like the Rain that pounded us this year.
But; Never! Ever! have I seen it come down like this over and over.

Sableagle is absolutely correct.
We get slides, slumps and falling rocks
when the ground loses the glue, water.

Then, when we get This! much rain,
the water acts like a lubricant.

And; Water is Heavy.
Entire mountain sides give way.

We spent a lot of money on infrastructure here in the West during the 1980's.
That money was well spent. I am impressed with how robust the systems are.

We were very fortunate.
This last Gully-Washer Storm coincided with a -0.8 Tide.
A low tide gives all that water somewhere to go.

If we have heavy rain and a High Tide;
The Ocean water acts like a wall.
The river water backs up into our kitchens.

I drove through the Smith River Canyon during this last storm.
I have Never! seen the The Smith River so high.

I was frightened.
It was eerie.

There were times when I was the only vehicle within sight.
The road was empty; Both directions. Dangerous Road!
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Postby Liri » Mon Feb 13, 2017 12:44 pm UTC

Yeah, addams, I was gonna ask if you were nearby to this.

Apparently the damage isn't quite as bad as they initially thought.
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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby addams » Mon Feb 13, 2017 1:03 pm UTC

oh...I'm not so sure about that.
The sun came out, today.

Everyone was out cleaning up Storm Damage.
My neighbor used the winch on his Quad
to pull my Throne up out of the gully.

The whole community was cleaning up.
We put power lines underground in the 80's.

I am so glad to have power.

Areas of slump have cracked asphalt.
If this is Arctic Ice melt as free water...well..?

Will the Smith River Road withstand repeated poundings?
(That is US 199 for the curious.)
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Postby commodorejohn » Mon Feb 13, 2017 3:09 pm UTC

Angua wrote:It looks like the problem is with the spillway to relieve pressure, not the main dam wall itself. Seems to imply that spillway might have been damaged in landslides that happened due to the large amount of rain. I'm guessing that it's a combination of that, plus the larger than expected amount of water going through the spillway.

That's what I gathered listening to the radio last night. It's been raining cats and dogs here for the last few weeks (and more generally, over the course of the "winter,") and as has been mentioned, it's after years and years of drought. I'm not surprised the infrastructure is having some trouble coping.
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Postby Sableagle » Tue Feb 14, 2017 11:56 am UTC

Government advisers accused of 'full-frontal attack' on whistleblowers

Downing Street believes a major overhaul of existing secrecy legislation is necessary because it has become outdated in a digital age when government employees can easily disclose vast amounts of sensitive information.

Draft recommendations from the legal advisers say the maximum prison sentence for leakers should be raised, potentially from two to 14 years, and the definition of espionage should be expanded to include obtaining sensitive information, as well as passing it on.

The Guardian, human rights group Liberty and campaign body Open Rights Group are among a series of organisations listed by the Law Commission as having been consulted on the draft proposals, but all three say they were not meaningfully involved in the process.

Killock said: “This is a full-frontal attack, recommending criminalising even examining secret services’ material. The intention is to stop the public from ever knowing that any secret agency has ever broken the law.”

Ben Griffin, who quit the SAS over the abuse of prisoners in Iraq and later turned whistleblower to expose what he had witnessed, said: “The British government not only refuses to answer questions [about conflicts in the Middle East and North Africa], it is actively misleading the public. Given these facts, it is of no surprise that they have decided to clamp down on whistleblowers.”

Another whistleblower, Peter Francis, made a series of revelations about a Scotland Yard undercover unit that spied on hundreds of political groups. Francis, who was deployed as an undercover police officer to infiltrate anti-racist groups in the 1990s, disclosed, for example, how police gathered information about the family of the murdered teenager Stephen Lawrence.

He said he also disagreed with another of the Law Commission’s proposals suggesting that defendants should be prevented from claiming they believed they were acting in the public interest disclosing official secrets.


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Postby Coyne » Sun Feb 19, 2017 7:33 pm UTC

commodorejohn wrote:That's what I gathered listening to the radio last night. It's been raining cats and dogs here for the last few weeks (and more generally, over the course of the "winter,") and as has been mentioned, it's after years and years of drought. I'm not surprised the infrastructure is having some trouble coping.


Would it surprise you to know that this exact failure concern was predicted in 2005?

Would it surprise you that the state, and all the related consortiums, pooh-poohed the warnings because it would have cost a lot to fix?

Would it surprise you that the state promised the design was safe for "maximum flow" and the damage last week was caused by 3.5% of maximum flow?

Would it surprise you that the state is now claiming no one could possibly have predicted this problem?

Remember the Johnstown flood and imagine what would happen to Oroville. Would it surprise you that the state is calling that scenario by the bland phrase "loss of crest control"?

Yeah, I didn't think so.
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Postby Angua » Wed Feb 22, 2017 1:38 pm UTC

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Postby elasto » Sun Feb 26, 2017 12:20 pm UTC

Not sure what thread this belongs in really:

The US billionaire who helped bankroll Donald Trump’s campaign for the presidency played a key role in the campaign for Britain to leave the EU, the Observer has learned.

Cambridge Analytica, an offshoot of a British company, SCL Group, which has 25 years’ experience in military disinformation campaigns and “election management”, claims to use cutting-edge technology to build intimate psychometric profiles of voters to find and target their emotional triggers. Trump’s team paid the firm more than $6m (£4.8m) to target swing voters, and it has now emerged that Mercer also introduced the firm – in which he has a major stake – to Farage.

The strategy involved harvesting data from people’s Facebook and other social media profiles and then using machine learning to “spread” through their networks. Wigmore admitted the technology and the level of information it gathered from people was “creepy”. He said the campaign used this information, combined with artificial intelligence, to decide who to target with highly individualised advertisements and had built a database of more than a million people, based on advice Cambridge Analytica supplied.

Two weeks ago Arron Banks, Leave.eu’s founder, stated in a series of tweets that Gerry Gunster (Leave.eu’s pollster) and Cambridge Analytica with “world class” AI had helped them gain “unprecedented levels of engagement”.

“AI won it for Leave,” he said.

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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby Zamfir » Mon Feb 27, 2017 9:33 am UTC

I find it amusing how marketing firms positively try to portray themselves as evil manipulative masterminds.

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Postby Dauric » Mon Feb 27, 2017 12:34 pm UTC

Zamfir wrote:I find it amusing how marketing firms positively try to portray themselves as evil manipulative masterminds.

It's what their clients are paying for. The most successful (and thus desirable) marketing firm would literally have orbital mind-control lasers.
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Postby ucim » Tue Feb 28, 2017 4:32 am UTC

elasto wrote:ucim: come back all is forgiven! You were right all along!
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When I go to that link, I get the notice "To read this content you need to create a Facebook account."
Spoiler:
Not really, but that's coming.
I'm waiting for this to be confirmed by other media outlets; so far I haven't seen it. But the tech is clearly out there. OT1H, boasting about it gets more clients, OTOH, doing so dilutes the effect to some degree. Better to manipulate people without their knowledge than to do so blatantly (though it seems that it doesn't really matter any more).

Question is, what can possibly be done about it? It's a matter of education, same as "don't click on everything you get in email", and even that seems to be a losing game.

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Postby elasto » Tue Feb 28, 2017 8:27 am UTC

The oil giant Shell issued a stark warning of the catastrophic risks of climate change more than a quarter of century ago in a prescient 1991 film that has been rediscovered.

However, since then the company has invested heavily in highly polluting oil reserves and helped lobby against climate action, leading to accusations that Shell knew the grave risks of global warming but did not act accordingly.

Shell’s 28-minute film, called Climate of Concern, was made for public viewing, particularly in schools and universities. It warned of extreme weather, floods, famines and climate refugees as fossil fuel burning warmed the world. The serious warning was “endorsed by a uniquely broad consensus of scientists in their report to the United Nations at the end of 1990”, the film noted.

The film was obtained by the Correspondent, a Dutch online journalism platform, and shared with the Guardian, and lauds commercial-scale solar and wind power that already existed in 1991. Shell has recently lobbied successfully to undermine European renewable energy targets and is estimated to have spent $22m in 2015 lobbying against climate policies. The company’s investments in low-carbon energy have been minimal compared to its fossil fuel investments.

Shell has also been a member of industry lobby groups that have fought climate action, including the so-called Global Climate Coalition until 1998; the far-right American Legislative Exchange Council (Alec) until 2015; and remains a member of the Business Roundtable and the American Petroleum Institute today.

I wonder if the evidence-suppression and lobbying efforts of today's fossil fuel companies will eventually be compared to the evidence-suppression and lobbying efforts of yesterday's tobacco companies?

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Postby Felstaff » Tue Feb 28, 2017 11:32 am UTC

Here's the video. I presume. I'm at work so I can't watch the whole thing but it looks legit.
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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby Liri » Tue Feb 28, 2017 1:01 pm UTC

elasto wrote:
I wonder if the evidence-suppression and lobbying efforts of today's fossil fuel companies will eventually be compared to the evidence-suppression and lobbying efforts of yesterday's tobacco companies?

It's worse.

What happened to their leadership between the 90s and 00s? What they did to Nigeria is horrific though and started in the late 30s. They've never been angels.

I'm relieved by companies like Mars, Hershey, Kraft etc. that rely on products grown in areas vulnerable to climate change.
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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby CorruptUser » Tue Feb 28, 2017 3:11 pm UTC

Liri wrote:I'm relieved by companies like Mars, Hershey, Kraft etc. that rely on products grown in areas vulnerable to climate change.


There's no reason that cocoa powder genes couldn't be injected into a few strains of e coli so we'd get an unlimited supply of cocoa. Given those companies you mentioned, it's not like the end consumer is particularly discerning as to the source.

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Postby ucim » Tue Feb 28, 2017 5:45 pm UTC

CorruptUser wrote:There's no reason that cocoa powder genes couldn't be injected into a few strains of e coli so we'd get an unlimited supply of cocoa.
Makes production automatic too.

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Postby EMTP » Tue Feb 28, 2017 7:54 pm UTC

Mutex wrote:
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Woman goes to doctor for blood tests, "Lesbianism" appears under her list of problems!

It was listed as a medical problem to.... protect her from being offended?


I was interested in this, but the link leads to an empty page. Perhaps it was pulled because it was inaccurate? One hopes.

Sexual orientation is a medically relevant fact, but is typically listed in a section of the chart called the social history, rather than the problem list. Perhaps it got recorded in the wrong section.
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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby Zohar » Tue Feb 28, 2017 8:51 pm UTC

EMTP wrote:Sexual orientation is a medically relevant fact

No it's not. Sexual behavior is a medically relevant fact, orientation has nothing to do with it. If I identify as straight but have sex with men, the fact I'm straight means nothing to my doctor. Similarly if I'm bisexual but celibate, my bisexuality is also completely irrelevant.
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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby Liri » Tue Feb 28, 2017 10:54 pm UTC

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Liri wrote:I'm relieved by companies like Mars, Hershey, Kraft etc. that rely on products grown in areas vulnerable to climate change.


There's no reason that cocoa powder genes couldn't be injected into a few strains of e coli so we'd get an unlimited supply of cocoa. Given those companies you mentioned, it's not like the end consumer is particularly discerning as to the source.

I wasn't clear. Those companies have already come out in favor of action on climate change.
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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby CorruptUser » Tue Feb 28, 2017 10:56 pm UTC

So... hooray for corporate greed?

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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby Liri » Tue Feb 28, 2017 11:05 pm UTC

CorruptUser wrote:So... hooray for corporate greed?

Yeah, eventually the Market will wake up to the impending impact on its bottom line. I have no idea if that'll come fast enough.
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Postby Thesh » Tue Feb 28, 2017 11:09 pm UTC

It doesn't really matter if you can just divest your interests from impacted industries when you see the fall coming.
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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby ucim » Tue Feb 28, 2017 11:11 pm UTC

Zohar wrote:No it's not. Sexual behavior is a medically relevant fact, orientation has nothing to do with it.
Uh.... I'm not convinced.

First though, in this particular case the way it's being used is all screwed up. Lesbianism is not a medical problem. I won't even begin to figure out the thinking behind that.

However, if sexual orientation is innate and has a biological basis (which is what I understand), then it may well be that the biology of it is correlated with the biology of other things that are of medical interest, same as race is correlated with sickle cell anemia. I don't know the answer, but I would not dismiss it out of hand.

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