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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby addams » Fri Jun 29, 2018 2:55 pm UTC

gmalivuk wrote:Milo also later blamed the media for reporting on his own incitement to violence against journalists.

http://observer.com/2018/06/milo-yianno ... -down/amp/
oh, crap....
We all know, Yianno is too lazy to get out there and commit a crime.

And; We all know, he enjoys 'whipping up' The Base.
That &%$# will talk someone else into doing it. (Crap!)
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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby dg61 » Fri Jun 29, 2018 9:52 pm UTC

RE: Tommy Robinson, he was arrested specifically for violating a court order(or more accurately, breaching a suspended sentence) not to videotape during a specific trial after being previously warned for similar conduct, with the warning specifically based on concerns about a fair trial. Essentially, if he had attended and published a written report on his blog, or even produced a video elsewhere that did not show anything etc, it would probably have been fine.

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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby sardia » Fri Jun 29, 2018 10:33 pm UTC

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/29/busi ... slows.html
Follow up to the Sri Lanka port albatross, China wonders how much it actually loans out.
China has spent nearly five years steering an ever-growing stream of hundreds of billions of dollars to a bold plan to gain greater global influence by funding big projects across Asia, Eastern Europe and Africa.
Now, Beijing is starting to tap the brakes.
The value of the deals that Chinese companies are striking under the country’s big global plan — called the Belt and Road Initiative — is smaller than a year ago, according to new data. Chinese officials themselves are sounding a cautious note, voicing worries that Chinese institutions need to be careful how much they lend under the program — and make sure their international borrowers can pay it back.

It's not really a happy story, but at least people are starting to notice when China lends them money.

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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby addams » Sat Jun 30, 2018 5:02 am UTC

sardia wrote:https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/29/business/china-belt-and-road-slows.html
Follow up to the Sri Lanka port albatross, China wonders how much it actually loans out.
China has spent nearly five years steering an ever-growing stream of hundreds of billions of dollars to a bold plan to gain greater global influence by funding big projects across Asia, Eastern Europe and Africa.
Now, Beijing is starting to tap the brakes.
The value of the deals that Chinese companies are striking under the country’s big global plan — called the Belt and Road Initiative — is smaller than a year ago, according to new data. Chinese officials themselves are sounding a cautious note, voicing worries that Chinese institutions need to be careful how much they lend under the program — and make sure their international borrowers can pay it back.

It's not really a happy story, but at least people are starting to notice when China lends them money.
The Belts and Roads was Great Idea! It would give China great influence over large food producing areas and transportation of that food, it would give China large markets and enormous good will from African Nations.
Yet,...The Chinese are careful. A looming Trade War and possible reneging on loans by the US might explain the Chinese slow down.
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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby Sableagle » Sat Jun 30, 2018 9:06 am UTC

It also gave Chinese standards of food safety, pet food safety, toy safety, environmental protection, workplace safety and employee rights a lot of influence in Africa.

Judging by some stories I've seen, those standards are, in order: "fuck it," "fuck it," "fuck it," "fuck it," "fuck it" and "fuck them."
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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby Coyne » Sat Jun 30, 2018 9:45 pm UTC

The Annapolis shooting was probably due to the ideologies of the Capital Gazette, we must check immediately. These might be some of the journalists that deserve to be killed.
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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby addams » Sat Jun 30, 2018 10:16 pm UTC

Sableagle wrote:It also gave Chinese standards of food safety, pet food safety, toy safety, environmental protection, workplace safety and employee rights a lot of influence in Africa.

Judging by some stories I've seen, those standards are, in order: "fuck it," "fuck it," "fuck it," "fuck it," "fuck it" and "fuck them."
well...You are not Wrong.
Coyne wrote:The Annapolis shooting was probably due to the ideologies of the Capital Gazette, we must check immediately. These might be some of the journalists that deserve to be killed.
oh, sigh...Leave it up to FOX to crack the door on conversations about which journalists 'deserve' a bullet and which ones don't.
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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby Sableagle » Sat Jun 30, 2018 11:30 pm UTC

Yeah, well, even if she didn't deserve it she was clearly asking for it. I mean look what she was wearing.

denatonium sarcasmide right there
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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby addams » Wed Jul 04, 2018 1:16 am UTC

#JusticeforSandy ... Keep hashtagging #SayHerName. The minute you forget her name you forget her character."
umm...I forgot her name.
I pondered and pondered.
I remembered some of the details.

Like; She had, just, gotten her Dream Job.
Like; She was a young University Graduate with Hopes and Plans and Purpose.

But;....I couldn't remember her name.
Sandra Bland Her name was Sandra Bland.

yes. It has been three years.
I think three years is too soon to forget.

Sandra Bland; Stoped for turn signal that may or may not have been used.
Sandra Bland; Was in Police custody for three days. Sandra died there.
Sandra Bland; If I say it three more times, maybe, I won't forget, again.

https://www.cnn.com/2015/07/22/us/sandr ... index.html
How soon we forget is Dark News.

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Re: The Darker Side of the News

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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby Coyne » Thu Jul 05, 2018 5:40 am UTC


The drug contamination angle, how lovely. I am imagining the discussion between the principles of the first case...

DH1: What should I do with these contaminated containers now that we've prepared the poison?

DiH2: Just dump them any old place that a meth-head can find them and use them. Recycling is good.
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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby Sableagle » Thu Jul 05, 2018 9:30 am UTC

Wow. This Russian nerve agent thing is so scary it's even above the football on the front page.

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Scroll down past football and tennis and there are these:

Saudi woman’s new car set on fire by young men who harassed her. They told her to stop driving because it was “against the will of God”, she said. But when she chose to ignore them, they set her car on fire earlier this week.


Meanwhile, away from all those fanatics in the Middle East, we in the civilised, modern, friendly West ...

Conservatives enter alliance with Swedish far-right in European Parliament.

The Conservatives have entered an alliance with a far-right anti-immigration party from Sweden, prompting accusations they are “worryingly comfortable in the company of right-wing extremists”.

Following meetings on Tuesday night, the Sweden Democrats party, which has its roots in fascism and white supremacy, was admitted to the Tory-led European Conservatives and Reformists (ECR) group, set up by David Cameron in 2009.

The Swedish party, which is riding high in the polls on a wave of xenophobia ahead of elections this year, had previously sat in the EFFD group, with Ukip and Germany’s Alternative für Deutschland AfD.

The Swedish group is trying to clean up its image to become more mainstream, having previously shared iconography with the UK National Front. One of its founding senior officials was a veteran of the Nazi Waffen-SS and leading members have been pictured wearing Nazi regalia.


... er ... we ... huh. Umm ... some previously obviously nazi-like people have decided they'd prefer to be seen as simply fascists, and have therefore allied themselves with a fascist-like British party, rather than with a nazi-like one, for a while? Maybe? I'm ... yeah, our government stinks.

Hey, at least we're an independent country now, though, free to follow our own morals and ethics and unconstrained by meddling from Brussels, and you know that means May's not going to do a Bliar impression by ...

Home Office separating scores of children from parents as part of immigration detention regime.

The Home Office is separating scores of children from their parents as part of its immigration detention regime – in some cases forcing them into care in breach of government policy.

Schools, the NHS and social services have written letters to the department begging them to release parents from detention because of the damaging impact it is having on their children.

Bail for Immigration Detainees (Bid), a charity that supports people in detention, said they have seen 170 children separated from their parents by the Home Office in the past year – and believes there are likely to be many more.

“If [name of detainee] is not released in time for the baby’s birth, the child will be accommodated in local authority care and care proceedings will be initiated to secure the long-term care planning arrangements for the child,” it states.

“This is understandably a situation Southwark Children’s Services wish to avoid to prevent family breakdown.”


... ... ... *headdesk*
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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby HES » Thu Jul 05, 2018 9:51 am UTC

Coyne wrote:The drug contamination angle, how lovely. I am imagining the discussion between the principles of the first case...

I don't think there's any suggestion that the exposure was via drugs. The initial paramedic response suspected contaminated drugs based on the symptoms, because the presence of nerve agent was not yet known.
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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby Mutex » Thu Jul 05, 2018 10:14 am UTC

Now the police are straight-up saying it was novichok.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-44719639

A man and woman found unconscious in Wiltshire were exposed to Novichok - the same nerve agent that poisoned ex-Russian spy Sergei Skripal, police say.

The couple, believed to be Charlie Rowley, 45, and Dawn Sturgess, 44, fell ill at a house in Amesbury on Saturday and remain in a critical condition.

Police say no one else has presented with the same symptoms.

There was "nothing in their background" to suggest the pair were targeted, the Met Police said.

Home Secretary Sajid Javid will chair a meeting of the government's emergency Cobra committee later to discuss the developments.

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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby pogrmman » Thu Jul 05, 2018 4:06 pm UTC

A chemical weapon being used against random citizens? I doubt it. They must have had something to make them targets. Maybe they weren’t targets of Russia, but were of somebody else, and that somebody else managed to obtain some.

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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby Mutex » Thu Jul 05, 2018 4:13 pm UTC

Not likely to be targets, more likely to have come across something or an area that the Russian agents used to prepare the novichok attack against the Skripals.

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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby addams » Thu Jul 05, 2018 4:35 pm UTC

ohhh....The News is Dark Today.
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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby Soupspoon » Thu Jul 05, 2018 5:16 pm UTC

Mutex wrote:Not likely to be targets, more likely to have come across something or an area that the Russian agents used to prepare the novichok attack against the Skripals.

Which is, ironically, good news for the investigation. Find the place where they stumbled across the dangerous waste from the preparation and it adds further information on what even happened and fill in current gaps in the available knowledge…

Not good news for these two 'canaries', though the experience treating their predecessors (and, especially with the delay between reactions of the two, the likelihood that a nowhere-near-LD50-even-after-treatment dose was administered) ought to give them a good chance of survival.

(It shouldn't be a worse dose. For one thing, the hours between one succumbing and the second indicate less exposure to at least the latter. However it was engineered to expose Sergei (and I have my unfounded suspicions that the daughters near-simultaneous exposure took some of the "If it's supposed to be lethal, why aren't they dead?" attack's potency off of her Dad), it was likely a lesser residue left. Could of course be that the first of the recent victims was the sole directly-accidental victim, and her partner only picked it up via intimate contact in dealing with her initial onset of illness.)


Of course, the conspiracy theorists (and the Russians, wrongly or rightly) are going to postulate all kinds of false-flagging to continue the (pretty much nuclear-option) fake pressure from the original fake plot/false-flag/whatever.

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Re: The Darker Side of the News

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Postby pogrmman » Sun Jul 08, 2018 10:28 pm UTC

That’s terrible. Maybe they’ll be able to do a more thorough investigation now that it’s a murder, though.

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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby addams » Sun Jul 08, 2018 10:40 pm UTC

oh,...
I am sorry for your loss.

I am sorry your Nation is no longer able to feel completely at ease at Home.
If it's not a Bomb it's Russian Poison. I'm so sorry... We are all getting jittery.
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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby Mutex » Mon Jul 09, 2018 8:58 am UTC

A pretty bad assassination attempt all round, really. Targets lived, some poor totally unrelated people get killed instead.

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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby cphite » Mon Jul 09, 2018 3:02 pm UTC

Soupspoon wrote:(It shouldn't be a worse dose. For one thing, the hours between one succumbing and the second indicate less exposure to at least the latter. However it was engineered to expose Sergei (and I have my unfounded suspicions that the daughters near-simultaneous exposure took some of the "If it's supposed to be lethal, why aren't they dead?" attack's potency off of her Dad), it was likely a lesser residue left. Could of course be that the first of the recent victims was the sole directly-accidental victim, and her partner only picked it up via intimate contact in dealing with her initial onset of illness.)


The original purpose of Novichok was to defeat UN detection and protective protocols; but that ship sailed a long time ago. Today, the very presence of a Novichok agent is effectively a calling card that verifies Russian involvement. It would be quite possibly the worst choice of poison - and this the worst delivery method - if they wanted to kill someone and avoid being accused.

But that may have been the point. To send a message to the UK that Russia did this, and that Russia wants them to know that Russia did this. A known Russian poison, delivered in a manner that aided identification, and that took down additional targets in a seemingly haphazard manner. It would send the message that they can do this right out in the open, and that they dare the UK to do something about it.

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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby Soupspoon » Mon Jul 09, 2018 3:36 pm UTC

Or, in fact, I've heard it put down to being a message to other (and potential) defectors.

That, of course, puts a different spin on it. "We can give you just enough of this stuff to make you suffer…", perhaps controlling the dose, maybe aiming for LD50 and chancing on one death and one survivor (either way) with the Skripals.

And then they (presumably? Unless this was a deliberate, if 'random' follow-on) left something like the Big Mixing Bowl Of Danger somewhere, instead of dealing with it somehow (having a bonfire?). Messy. Or ineffably calculating.


Utterly hard to pin it all down. Well above my (non-existent) pay-grade, but why let that stop me? :P

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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby Mutex » Mon Jul 09, 2018 3:52 pm UTC

Soupspoon wrote:Or, in fact, I've heard it put down to being a message to other (and potential) defectors.

I'm pretty sure this was the reason. And I don't think they were meant to survive, it's just hard to control exactly how much of the stuff the target comes into contact with if you're relying on them touching the contaminated object themselves. It's possible they didn't leave the house till later than expected and the Novichok degraded more than expected in the sun, or something like that.

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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby HES » Mon Jul 09, 2018 4:08 pm UTC

I wonder how significant the proximity is of these events to Porton Down. Certainly makes Russia's lie an easier sell.
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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby cphite » Mon Jul 09, 2018 5:28 pm UTC

Soupspoon wrote:Or, in fact, I've heard it put down to being a message to other (and potential) defectors.


That could also be the case... the only reason I don't like that one is that most defectors worth worrying about already know who they're dealing with and the lengths they're willing to go. A bullet to the back of the head would send the same message to those folks.

That, of course, puts a different spin on it. "We can give you just enough of this stuff to make you suffer…", perhaps controlling the dose, maybe aiming for LD50 and chancing on one death and one survivor (either way) with the Skripals.


Or "look how little we care about collateral damage..."

And then they (presumably? Unless this was a deliberate, if 'random' follow-on) left something like the Big Mixing Bowl Of Danger somewhere, instead of dealing with it somehow (having a bonfire?). Messy. Or ineffably calculating.


Either way, it fits their typical profile of making it obvious they did it without actionable evidence... kinda like the US election where the hacks were "detected" by way of obvious flags left behind... letting people know they hacked the election was arguably a bigger win than any results of the actual hack, because it degraded public confidence in the results.

Same deal here; letting people know (without being able to prove) that they flat out murdered people is worth more than the actual murders. Whether it's sending a message to the UK, or to potential defectors, or to someone else entirely; the point is they made it pretty blatantly obvious they were behind it.

Utterly hard to pin it all down. Well above my (non-existent) pay-grade, but why let that stop me? :P


Yep; they're a tricky bunch.

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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby Coyne » Tue Jul 10, 2018 1:39 am UTC

cphite wrote:But that may have been the point. To send a message to the UK that Russia did this, and that Russia wants them to know that Russia did this. A known Russian poison, delivered in a manner that aided identification, and that took down additional targets in a seemingly haphazard manner. It would send the message that they can do this right out in the open, and that they dare the UK to do something about it.

Which, these days, doesn't mean a lot. It could be a false flag attack.
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Postby commodorejohn » Tue Jul 10, 2018 3:53 am UTC

Coyne wrote:Which, these days, doesn't mean a lot. It could be a false flag attack.

What on Earth would be the point?
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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby Mutex » Tue Jul 10, 2018 10:00 am UTC

Yeah, Occam's razor. Also bear in mind Russia has done this before, on UK soil, to a Russian defector. The false-flaggers are looking for an answer to a question that doesn't exist.

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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby Tyndmyr » Tue Jul 10, 2018 12:29 pm UTC

Coyne wrote:Which, these days, doesn't mean a lot. It could be a false flag attack.


For why?

False Flag attacks only make sense as an excuse to do a thing. The UK is not looking for a casus belli. So what's the point? Do they want to discourage people from defecting to them? Why would they want that?

I'm suspicious of false flag accusations without any evidence. It's a convenient explanation that could apply to literally any event. Thus, it's a crutch of conspiracy theorists, and honestly, any such universally convenient claim ought to have some burden of proof attached.

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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby Mutex » Tue Jul 10, 2018 12:54 pm UTC

If it was a false flag it would make more sense if it was a third party, wanting to start an internecine conflict between the UK and Russia. But... it makes way more sense that it was just Russia.

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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby Mutex » Tue Jul 10, 2018 1:08 pm UTC

China invents hand-held "non-lethal" laser rife.
https://www.scmp.com/news/china/diploma ... d-set-fire

The document on Chinese government website classifies the ZKZM-500 as a “non-lethal weapon”, meaning they are deemed less likely to kill a living target than something explicitly designed to do so, such as a gun.

The lasers cannot kill a target with a single shot, but if fired at a person for long enough the weapons would start to burn a hole in their body, cutting through them like a surgical knife.

(...)

Instead the document lays stress on the non-lethal applications of the technology.

For instance it says law enforcement could counter “illegal protests” by setting fire to banners from a long distance.

It also says protest leaders could be targeted by setting fire to their clothing or hair which, the document says, would mean they lose “the rhythms of their speech and powers of persuasion”.

Yes, but just possibly, the sight of a speaker getting set on fire by a laser beam might turn people against the government somewhat.

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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby sardia » Tue Jul 10, 2018 4:06 pm UTC

Mutex wrote:If it was a false flag it would make more sense if it was a third party, wanting to start an internecine conflict between the UK and Russia. But... it makes way more sense that it was just Russia.

A better example would be to make up a crisis about immigrants, and then use that as casus belli to crack down on brown people. Hmm, that's doesn't quite fit.
If you use judicial discretion to prosecuted what wasn't prosecuted, and then used that to push through anti immigration changes. Would that be a false flag?

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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby sardia » Tue Jul 10, 2018 5:31 pm UTC

https://www.npr.org/2018/07/09/62677344 ... itizenship
Minor update. The military has denied that any policy change has occurred, which means nothing considering the MAVNI program, has gone through several changes all in the name of security. For example, all soldiers require a background check. The army can say no policy on that has changed, since soldiers always require a background check, even if the the standards rise sharply, to say deny immigrants with family in third world countries.
MAVNI was a pipeline for immigrants to become soldiers and fast track to citizens.
All the quietly discharged soldiers were enlisted under the program.
It enlisted roughly 10000 soldiers in 10 years. 40 have been denied for national security reasons, which means no appeal is allowed, nor any evidence provided. There's a couple hundred left in purgatory.
It got extended, and then finally stopped accepting new applicants last year. All the recruited are considered backlog, which means the army is required to process them. Given the multiple layers of red tape added, one theory is the army is just giving up, and denying everyone, hence processing them.
So numbers wise, 40 out of 200-300 is a high percentage.

Edit military times has better numbers. Almost all of the potential soldiers will be rejected. https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your ... on-be-out/
The bottom line is that far more than 40 may soon be weeded out – and it’s possible that the majority of the remaining 1,000 or so participants in the Military Accessions Vital to National Interest, or MAVNI, program will be let go before they can be cleared for duty. Additional background checks were reinforced by Secretary Jim Mattis in an October 2017 memo.

There you go, one slightly smoking gun. Unfortunately, not likely to move GOP hearts on this one without further "pressure", otherwise known as telling the public what's happening.

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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby elasto » Wed Jul 11, 2018 11:08 am UTC

Dark or just absurd, you decide...

PayPal wrote to a woman who had died of cancer saying her death had breached its rules and that it might take legal action as a consequence.

The firm has since acknowledged that the letter was "insensitive", apologised to her widower, and begun an inquiry into how it came to be sent.

Lindsay Durdle died on 31 May aged 37. She had been first diagnosed with breast cancer about a year-and-a-half earlier. The disease had later spread to her lungs and brain.

PayPal was informed of Mrs Durdle's death three weeks ago by her husband Howard Durdle. He provided the online payments service with copies of her death certificate, her will and his ID, as requested.

He has now received a letter addressed in her name, sent to his home in Bucklebury, West Berkshire. It said that Mrs Durdle owed the company about £3,200 and went on to say: "You are in breach of condition 15.4(c) of your agreement with PayPal Credit as we have received notice that you are deceased... this breach is not capable of remedy."

PayPal has told Mr Durdle that it is looking into this "as a priority", and has written off the debt in the meantime.


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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby natraj » Wed Jul 11, 2018 11:37 am UTC

this breach is not capable of remedy is a nice touch though
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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby speising » Wed Jul 11, 2018 11:50 am UTC

stupid of them. if they hadn't created the press attention, they could have quietly collected the debt from her widower (and heir, i assume).

section 15.4(c) according to second hand sources wrote:“We may close the Credit Account and demand repayment of the full amount you owe us if you die or become of unsound mind.”


how can you be in breach of that?

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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby Chen » Wed Jul 11, 2018 12:10 pm UTC

Definitely seems like legalese and a generic form letter. I certainly hope it wasn’t a human thst wrote it.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.rt.com ... reach/amp/

Can see the firdt page of the letter in the link about mis-page. Its a Facebook post apparently.

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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby Tyndmyr » Wed Jul 11, 2018 3:42 pm UTC

That's...both dark and hilarious. So, according to paypal(I confess, I never read the legalese when opening an account with them), I'm not allowed to die.

Excellent. Time for paypal to start working on immortality. It seems only fair.


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