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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby Liri » Thu Mar 02, 2017 11:02 pm UTC

LaserGuy wrote:Adultery is still a crime? Or does that have some different meaning in the armed forces?

It's a crime in the armed forces.
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Postby Sableagle » Thu Mar 02, 2017 11:08 pm UTC

Something about having to be able to trust each other, I suppose.
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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby Sableagle » Tue Mar 07, 2017 6:42 pm UTC

Speaking of crimes in the forces ...
https://www.pressreader.com/uk/i-newspa ... 3456531761
300 officers suspended for various things, including grooming children for sex.

Spoiler:
While I'm here:



https://www.pressreader.com/indonesia/t ... 4413198335
There are four countries where being "married" to a girl too young to be married makes it legal to rape her.



https://www.pressreader.com/uk/i-newspa ... 8010583345
Quote from "Catholic campaigner" in Italy:
At least Hitler eliminated the disabled without charging.








... so who do you think's getting bodyguards in a big hurry this week? Who suddenly needs protecting? Well, not women, apparently:



No, it's PriceWaterhouseCoopers, of course!


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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby Zamfir » Tue Mar 07, 2017 7:13 pm UTC

Sableagle, these wild link dumps are hard to understand by other people, and they clutter the thread. It's not the first time I tell you this. Keep your posts focused.

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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby Sableagle » Tue Mar 07, 2017 7:42 pm UTC

That was all in today's news and there's no double-posting allowed. If you can arrange for shit like that to start happening no more often than once a week, go for it. If not, what am I supposed to do, put

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between them, or just pretend not to give a damn?

Heck, two women a week? That's not even 154 a year, and 154 deaths is nothing compared to ... er ...

... heh ... to ... you know what? That's off-topic. That's so wrong it belongs over in the humour section.

Seriously, though, that's all one day.

Maybe I should just pull out the puzzle pages and ignore the rest of the paper.
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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby Zamfir » Tue Mar 07, 2017 7:49 pm UTC

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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby Sizik » Wed Mar 08, 2017 12:49 am UTC

Poachers break into French zoo, kill a rhino, and steal its horn

Police, who were investigating the crime, said the rhino had been shot three times in the head and one of its horns had been sawn off, probably with a chainsaw.

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The poachers broke through a gate at the wildlife park during the night and forced the metal door of the enclosure where the rhino lived, the zoo said.

The two other rhinos living at the park, 37-year-old Gracie and five-year-old Bruno, were unharmed. Vince's second horn was partially cut, leading the zoo to believe that the intruders were disturbed or their equipment failed.
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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby plytho » Wed Mar 08, 2017 8:08 am UTC



That's horrible in and of itself and I'm afraid this might inspire others to do the same. Poaching in Europe is probably safer and easier than in Africa where they have armed park rangers.
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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby LaserGuy » Thu Mar 09, 2017 5:21 am UTC

Justin Bieber impersonator charged with 931 child sex offences.

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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby Mutex » Thu Mar 09, 2017 3:49 pm UTC

Are they absolutely sure none of them were done by Justin Bieber?

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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby CorruptUser » Thu Mar 09, 2017 5:06 pm UTC

So wait, celebrities could just have a bunch of body doubles hanging around, ready to take the fall if the celebrity ever gets caught in a compromising position? BRILLIANT!

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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby Sableagle » Sun Mar 12, 2017 11:33 am UTC

Thar be nazis in tham thar hills lowlands?

Backstory, afaik: anti-Islam nutter gaining popular support threatens government's hold on power, so moving against the increasingly islamist Erdogan sounds like a way to deny him a talking point and Turkey's seen some violence between pro- and anti-Erdogan lately and the Netherlands don't want to risk importing that by having Turkish political rallies.
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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby Zamfir » Sun Mar 12, 2017 5:23 pm UTC

According to our government, the story was roughly

- turkey announces a public speech from a minister, without prior discussion
- local government refuses, cites risks for public order
- national government wants to discuss alternative location with Turkey
- Turkey threatens with trade sanctions if the visit doesn't go as demanded
- Dutch government breaks off discussion in response, refuses entry to minister
- A different Turkish minister drives in from Germany, in secret, to hold a speech anyway
- Dutch government expels this minister

In that story, it looks like Turkey was aiming for a diplomatic row pretty much from the start.

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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby Grop » Sun Mar 12, 2017 5:41 pm UTC

Turkey calling any other country a nazi remnant should belong in the humorous news thread.

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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby Bane Harper » Mon Mar 13, 2017 1:39 pm UTC

Sableagle wrote:Thar be nazis in tham thar hills lowlands?

Backstory, afaik: anti-Islam nutter gaining popular support threatens government's hold on power, so moving against the increasingly islamist Erdogan sounds like a way to deny him a talking point and Turkey's seen some violence between pro- and anti-Erdogan lately and the Netherlands don't want to risk importing that by having Turkish political rallies.


The Mayor of Rotterdam said "I wonder if Erdogan knows that I'm the mayor of a city that was completely destroyed by a Nazi bombardment."

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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby CorruptUser » Mon Mar 13, 2017 4:14 pm UTC

Assoc Press

Wife gets cancer.
Naturopath convinces wife to avoid chemo and instead spend thousands on his herbal "remedies".
Wife dies, husband murders naturopath.

Of course, the one guy they found being a character witness for the naturopath was a chiropractor.

So... Having trouble feeling sorry for the naturopath here.

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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby Alexius » Wed Mar 15, 2017 4:19 pm UTC

Bane Harper wrote:The Mayor of Rotterdam said "I wonder if Erdogan knows that I'm the mayor of a city that was completely destroyed by a Nazi bombardment."

He also happens to be Muslim (though Moroccan rather than Turkish).

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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby CorruptUser » Wed Mar 15, 2017 5:56 pm UTC

I feel like someone should explain the situation of the Turks in Europe.

Sooo...

1950's/1960's. Long story short, Turkey managed to negotiate and pressure Germany (and others) to allow in hundreds of thousands of workers. Germany resisted initially, though a combination of guilt-tripping, a shortage of workers due to the war, and the assumption that the Guastarbeiter (guest workers) would return to Turkey after a few years changed their minds. Spoiler; turns out that people who leave a poor country to work in a rich country generally don't want to return to the poor country. Germany actually tried to bribe the people to leave, but most refused, many using the money they had to bring over families. By 1973, Germany basically ended the Guastarbeiter program entirely. But as Germany really never had any intention of assimilating/integrating the Turks in the first place, well... you basically have the situation in Germany today.

The situation is almost identical in France, but with Moroccans instead of Turks, and a similar situation in the Netherlands and so forth.

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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby Grop » Wed Mar 15, 2017 10:31 pm UTC

I am not so sure about the intent of the dead people who ruled France in the seventies, but I am pretty sure our policy has been to assimilate/integrate the people from Marocco, Algeria and Tunisia for quite a while (as opposed to trying to have them leave).

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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby Angua » Fri Mar 17, 2017 7:05 am UTC

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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby Sableagle » Fri Mar 17, 2017 4:54 pm UTC

I've haerd talk of states seceding from the union and asking to be annexed by Canada. I wonder whether "all the women in North Dakota and Vermont" could do the same.
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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby pogrmman » Fri Mar 17, 2017 10:18 pm UTC



What the hell. They should be the last people going -- I know they are just there as advisors, but SERIOUSLY! People advocating against women's rights acting as advisors for the CSW?! Hopefully, the other delegations won't be overly swayed by them.

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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby Angua » Sat Mar 18, 2017 4:59 pm UTC

Well, this is a new horror.

People send strobing tweets to person with epilepsy, hoping to trigger seizures (and possibly death). Thankfully, the police have held the instigator.
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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby Sableagle » Mon Mar 20, 2017 5:05 pm UTC

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 37696.html

Univerrrrrsity?

Someone (univ)erred.

African business summit in US 'has no African delegates after they are all denied visas'

There were reportedly no African delegates at a summit about sustainable development in Africa after they were all denied visas to enter the US.

The African global economic and development summit, which takes place every year at the University of Southern California was particularly quiet this year after about 100 attendees were barred from entering the country to participate in the event.

Mary Flowers, who chairs the summit said: “Usually we get 40 per cent that get rejected but the others come. This year it was 100 per cent. Every delegation. And it was sad to see, because these people were so disheartened.

“I have to say that most of us feel it’s a discrimination issue with the African nations. We experience it over and over and over, and the people being rejected are legitimate business people with ties to the continent.”


It's gonna be great, folks. We're stopping investors from sending your money abroad to fund business ventures in Africa, folks.
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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby pogrmman » Mon Mar 20, 2017 6:06 pm UTC

Angua wrote:Well, this is a new horror.

People send strobing tweets to person with epilepsy, hoping to trigger seizures (and possibly death). Thankfully, the police have held the instigator.


Why the hell would somebody do that?


I'd like to believe that everybody is good inside, but stuff like this really, really makes that seem unfounded.

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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby CorruptUser » Mon Mar 20, 2017 6:20 pm UTC

pogrmman wrote:I'd like to believe that everybody is good inside, but stuff like this really, really makes that seem unfounded.


Nope, people only do good things because it lets them feel important/powerful or superior to everyone else. People likewise do bad things because the ability to harm others also makes them feel powerful or superior to everyone else. 80% of the people you meet are complete assholes, and the remaining 20% are just a different variety of asshole.

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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby Chen » Mon Mar 20, 2017 6:42 pm UTC

Sableagle wrote:http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/african-development-summit-univerrsity-southern-california-cancelled-african-delegates-denied-us-a7637696.html

Univerrrrrsity?

Someone (univ)erred.

African business summit in US 'has no African delegates after they are all denied visas'

There were reportedly no African delegates at a summit about sustainable development in Africa after they were all denied visas to enter the US.

The African global economic and development summit, which takes place every year at the University of Southern California was particularly quiet this year after about 100 attendees were barred from entering the country to participate in the event.

Mary Flowers, who chairs the summit said: “Usually we get 40 per cent that get rejected but the others come. This year it was 100 per cent. Every delegation. And it was sad to see, because these people were so disheartened.

“I have to say that most of us feel it’s a discrimination issue with the African nations. We experience it over and over and over, and the people being rejected are legitimate business people with ties to the continent.”


It's gonna be great, folks. We're stopping investors from sending your money abroad to fund business ventures in Africa, folks.


Uh that "usually we get 40% rejected" is pretty bad in and of itself frankly.

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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby Sableagle » Mon Mar 20, 2017 9:58 pm UTC

Not compared to how I treat incoming emails, it's not. I get loads of them about people trying to send me money, FedEx having parcels for me, unread messages on my WhatsApp account, suspicious activity on my Blizzard account et cetera. All those investors looking for places to put vast amoutns of money must attract a criminal element and a lot of charity cases. It wouldn't surprise me if the potential investors had paid to have the good causes that won't pay a good return filtered out along with the fraudsters and the delusional.
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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby Zohar » Tue Mar 21, 2017 12:47 pm UTC

I have no idea what you just claimed. Are you comparing people to letter? Are you saying they're all criminals involved in pyramid schemes? I really don't understand.
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Postby sardia » Tue Mar 21, 2017 4:50 pm UTC

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/th ... sidential/
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Postby Sableagle » Tue Mar 21, 2017 5:26 pm UTC

Zohar wrote:I have no idea what you just claimed. Are you comparing people to letter? Are you saying they're all criminals involved in pyramid schemes? I really don't understand.
Well, what's the first thing to spring to mind when you hear "Nigeria" these days? Oil pipes, oil spills, tribal conflicts, ebola cases, kidnapped schoolgirls or yet another email saying "I need your help to move $207,000,000 out of Nigeria and you can keep 1% of it as a token of my thanks please give me all your bank account details," by any chance? The 40% probably included some snake-oil salesmen, (unusually) corrupt government officials, dubious charitable projects and so on as well as some genuine business opportunities, some charitable projects that it would have been a great idea to support and maybe even an occasional government official genuinely working for the greater good ... and so did the 60%. This time, though, the genuine business opportunities, charitable projects that it would have been a great idea to support and occasional government officials genuinely working for the greater good are all in the 100%.

Maybe this year it was "anyone who's not allowed to live and work in the USA isn't allowed to enter the USA, because they might run away from the conference and hide rather than going home."
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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby Angua » Tue Mar 21, 2017 5:51 pm UTC

Dude, seriously????

Also, Nigeria didn't really have a problem with Ebola (they actually stopped it propagating extremely effectively). But, you know, please continue.

Also, it's a good thing that the US has no problems with oil pipes and tribal conflicts. Certainly no racial tension in the West whatsoever.
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Postby Zohar » Tue Mar 21, 2017 6:05 pm UTC

So I think what you're saying is everyone in Nigeria is a criminal and shouldn't be trusted? In which case, well, I don't really have much to say in response to blatant racism and blind acceptance of false information.
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Postby pseudoidiot » Tue Mar 21, 2017 6:15 pm UTC

Zohar wrote:So I think what you're saying is everyone in Nigeria is a criminal and shouldn't be trusted? In which case, well, I don't really have much to say in response to blatant racism and blind acceptance of false information.
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Postby Liri » Tue Mar 21, 2017 7:08 pm UTC

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Zohar wrote:So I think what you're saying is everyone in Nigeria is a criminal and shouldn't be trusted? In which case, well, I don't really have much to say in response to blatant racism and blind acceptance of false information.
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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby Sableagle » Tue Mar 21, 2017 7:34 pm UTC

No, I'm saying that the guys whose job it is to go and say "I have 50 billion dollars of other people's money here," and then ask who wants it, probably attract a lot of people who want some of that money and don't want to meet them all, and pay people to keep many such people away, and they probably have had their fill of applicants for generosity and started associating certain phrases, postures and sequences of use of keywords with certain reasons to decide not to give someone money.

Why would I think everyone in Nigeria's a criminal? Why would I think any of those emails about vast inheritances are actually from anyone in Nigeria? Russia, maybe. I could understand you assuming I'd think those emails all came from Russia.
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Postby Zohar » Tue Mar 21, 2017 7:48 pm UTC

The "guys" whose job it is to give the money aren't the ones denying visas. The chairwoman of the summit condemned these decisions and was saddened by them. The people in the US wanted to talk with the businesspeople from Africa. It was the state department that decided to deny them access, completely unrelated to what you may or may not think the reigning stereotypes in their mind are.

Not only that, the people applied to visas in their home countries. It was embassy employees who live in those countries. It's one thing for Joe Schmoe from New Mexico to thing everyone in Nigeria is running a Nigerian prince hoax, it's a different matter for people who spend their lives there to feel this way. And I'd like to emphasize we're not talking just about Nigeria, we're talking about people from Sierra Leone, Guinea, Ghana, Ethiopia and South Africa, and in addition to Nigeria.
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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby Zamfir » Tue Mar 21, 2017 8:15 pm UTC

Also, it's about visas to attend a conference. Not about getting 50 billion dollar, wherever you got that from.

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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby SDK » Tue Mar 21, 2017 8:55 pm UTC

I volunteered for Engineers Without Borders for a long time and can confirm that's it's pretty difficult to get visas for Africans in general. It seems more like a lottery than anything, where the same person will be accepted even though they were previously denied (or vice-versa). I'm not going to say Sableagle is right (because he's being horribly racist), but by far the most common reason given for that denial is the fear that they will intentionally overstay their visa and become an illegal immigrant. Out of the dozen or so conference attendees I've dealt with, that's never happened, so I suspect they are either overestimating the number of times visa-applicants decide never to leave, or (more likely) they are overly afraid of a few illegal immigrants. The latter aligns nicely with US priorities these days... which sucks for pretty much everyone who wants to work with anyone overseas.
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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby Sableagle » Tue Mar 21, 2017 9:26 pm UTC

Someone at work was complaining today that he couldn't take his daughter to a classical music event for her 18th birthday because it had a 25-year minimum age.

There you go. Assume I'm a predatory paedophile from now on. I'm not going to argue. As my signature says, I don't know, and have no opinion.
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