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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Posted: Tue May 15, 2018 7:55 pm UTC
by Yablo
addams wrote:You can let your Congress People know what you want them to do.

They will hear it.
They might even act on what they hear from you.

Like the man said, "What have you got to Lose."
There are many that will lose a lot!

If working people can not use ChildCare Expenses to balance their budgets,
Many may find it impossible to continue to work. ChildCare is Expensive!

This thing may BackFire and hurt people that can not heal.

I've contacted them a few times in the past (well, one Senator and our Representative), but they either ignore it completely or send a dishonest response. Still, you're right. That's no reason to stop trying.

And you're also right about child care. My wife is a stay-at-home-mom. That's mostly because we feel it's better for our son, but it's also because if she were to work at her previous job (which was a state government job) or the equivalent, it would barely cover daycare expenses. It's just not worth it. Fortunately, my job covers our expenses well enough that she doesn't have to work, but I know we're in a relative minority there.

My first duty is always to my family, but if I can help my family and others at the same time, especially with something as quick and easy as a letter or phone call, I really have no reason not to do so.

Re: The Darker Side of the News

Posted: Tue May 15, 2018 9:22 pm UTC
by addams
Thank you, Yablo.
Working poor all over the nation won't know what you have done.

You will know.
I will know.

Thank you and all the other gentle and understanding Civic Minded folk out there.
Who Knows? Your voice might be The Voice that makes a difference.

Like in 'Horton Hears a Who'.
Do you read that book to the small Yablos?

Re: The Darker Side of the News

Posted: Tue May 15, 2018 10:25 pm UTC
by Yablo
addams wrote:Thank you, Yablo.
Working poor all over the nation won't know what you have done.

You will know.
I will know.

Thank you and all the other gentle and understanding Civic Minded folk out there.
Who Knows? Your voice might be The Voice that makes a difference.

Like in 'Horton Hears a Who'.
Do you read that book to the small Yablos?

I haven't yet, but anything I read generally goes over well; especially Dr. Seuss.

I used to think this thread was pretty much just for people to see how messed up things can be, but we can see that anywhere we look. Now that I think about it, it's probably at least as much about reporting the darker news that can still be fixed. That adds a lot more value, I think.

Re: The Darker Side of the News

Posted: Tue May 15, 2018 10:35 pm UTC
by addams
(sigh...)

Re: The Darker Side of the News

Posted: Wed May 16, 2018 4:15 pm UTC
by ObsessoMom

Re: The Darker Side of the News

Posted: Wed May 16, 2018 6:17 pm UTC
by LaserGuy
Yablo wrote:I've contacted them a few times in the past (well, one Senator and our Representative), but they either ignore it completely or send a dishonest response. Still, you're right. That's no reason to stop trying.


The problem is that you didn't donate a six-figure sum to their campaign prior to contacting them. Apparently that helps get them to listen to you.

Re: The Darker Side of the News

Posted: Wed May 16, 2018 7:19 pm UTC
by CorruptUser
I think you are overpaying. It should only cost 4 figs, 5 tops, to own a politician.

Re: The Darker Side of the News

Posted: Wed May 16, 2018 8:40 pm UTC
by Yablo
Yeah. Political economics is funny. The more politicians there are, the less influence any given one can be expected to have. That should drive the price down, but the fact they got elected seems to go to their heads. They get a vastly inflated sense of their value.

Re: The Darker Side of the News

Posted: Wed May 16, 2018 8:55 pm UTC
by Thesh
That's just because our democracy itself is deeply deeply deeply flawed. Our system is designed in such a way that the majority of the majority control Congress, that majority itself representing a majority of voters in a majority of districts. Which means that 50%+1 members of 50%+1 of Congress, who represent 50%+1 constituents in their districts end up deciding the agenda. So the ruling politicians themselves only need to be voted in by 12.6% of voters, and the more they vote along party lines the less important any one politician is, and the more important the party identification is.

Combine that with the effectiveness of propaganda and the importance of connections, and it means a handful of very wealthy people can basically buy the country.

Re: The Darker Side of the News

Posted: Wed May 16, 2018 9:23 pm UTC
by CorruptUser
I think your math is off. You only need 50.1% of congress, and to get that you only need 50.1% of the votes in those districts. Thats 25.1% of the votes. How do you get 12.6%?

Re: The Darker Side of the News

Posted: Wed May 16, 2018 9:25 pm UTC
by Thesh
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hastert_Rule

This is pretty much the default because of our democratic system, even when it's not strictly adhered to. I also ignored the primary system, which has its own issues that aren't so easy to quantify.

Re: The Darker Side of the News

Posted: Thu May 17, 2018 1:56 am UTC
by CorruptUser
Only as long as the minority-majority doesn't get so pissed that they join with the minority to elect a new speaker during the next election cycle. The Speaker can indeed act like a dictator in their own little world, but the only thing that rule allows is for the majority-majority to grind the House to a halt rather than actually pass the legislation the 12.6% of the population wants.

The 25.1% though, they can control the country with absolute impunity, and can indeed enact legislation that for intents and purposes enslaves 74.9% of the country, to say nothing of backdoor disenfranchisement such as excessive prison sentences or inconveniently located polling stations to enable an even smaller percentage to control everything. That is indeed a problem...

Re: The Darker Side of the News

Posted: Thu May 17, 2018 2:29 am UTC
by addams
CorruptUser;
You are eloquent, if nothing else.

Re: The Darker Side of the News

Posted: Thu May 17, 2018 2:39 am UTC
by Thesh
CorruptUser wrote:Only as long as the minority-majority doesn't get so pissed that they join with the minority to elect a new speaker during the next election cycle. The Speaker can indeed act like a dictator in their own little world, but the only thing that rule allows is for the majority-majority to grind the House to a halt rather than actually pass the legislation the 12.6% of the population wants.


There are consequences to going against the party, and the point is that the majority of the majority party elects the leadership who decides the vast majority of the agenda, regardless of whether the Hastert rule is being adhered to. I'm not sure that the majority party has ever joined with the minority party to elect moderate leadership, so that scenario is entirely hypothetical. In reality, the majority of the majority has always determined the most of the agenda.

Re: The Darker Side of the News

Posted: Thu May 17, 2018 9:43 am UTC
by Soupspoon

Re: The Darker Side of the News

Posted: Thu May 17, 2018 9:54 am UTC
by Mutex
Soupspoon wrote:See, vaping can be bad for your health!

Jeez. Say what you like about cigs, they don't explode in your face and pierce your skull. They'll happily burn down your house of course.

EDIT:
The vape pen that Mr D'Elia was using was modified, meaning it allowed the user more access to the battery and did not regulate the voltage in the same way as other e-cigarettes.

So it seems he messed around with the lithium-ion battery, causing it to become unstable and explode like that. It's a lithium-ion battery issue more than a vape pen issue.

Re: The Darker Side of the News

Posted: Thu May 17, 2018 11:05 am UTC
by Soupspoon
Probably so that he could exude a high altitude weather balloon quantity of vapour, or something…

Spoiler:
From the information gleaned from a vaper of my acquaintance (I'm not a smoker or a vaper, so apologies whilst I preach from the apparent high ground over here), there's a dial-up switch that increases the dosing, that also runs the battery down faster. It seems to be logical that 'smoke' quantity ≈ energy throughput, and thus vice-versa.

The 'humblebrag' of creating a dense 'smoke'-screen round oneself to prove that one's vaping seems to me to waste an overwhelming amount of the active ingredients (and certainly whatever flavour du jour they seem to think I'd like, while I'm 'passively vaping' their device). Even if it was breathed in (which, from observation, it isn't, a lot just going straight to atmosphere without even the possibility of blowing smoke-rings), all vapour breathed out is wasted and unless the 'hit' molecules preferentially travel across through the lung membranes beyond the vapour/flavour ones. If you're serious about replacing the lack of burning-cigarette nicoteen in the best and cheapest way, you surely want to absorb as much of that smoke as possible before breathing it out.

(It's a finable offence to use vapers in UK railway stations, but I've yet to see anybody be approached with at least a warning, except those I might have dared to personally tell (as they stand right next to the "No smoking" notice that specifically mentions this!), but then neither have the smoke-smokers (also tending to stand by the very same sign). Something's wrong, somewhere, and for once I'm fairly sure it's not with me.)

And if terrrorists haven't considered using modified vaper units as part of their armoury (for the smokescreen, the battery explosion bit just needs a Samsung tablet!) then they soon will, and even without my help in mentioning it just now.

Re: The Darker Side of the News

Posted: Thu May 17, 2018 2:15 pm UTC
by Zohar
Soupspoon wrote:See, vaping can be bad for your health!

Vaping isn't good for you even without the explosions. Most e-cigarettes and vaping products contain nicotine, as well as a bunch of other harmful elements.

Re: The Darker Side of the News

Posted: Thu May 17, 2018 3:13 pm UTC
by ObsessoMom
Well, that's not good:

Mysterious rise in banned ozone-destroying chemical shocks scientists
CFCs have been outlawed for years but researchers have detected new production somewhere in east Asia.

Re: The Darker Side of the News

Posted: Thu May 17, 2018 4:18 pm UTC
by Sableagle
Chinese refrigeration plant?

I haven't clicked the pink, but China's attitude to air pollution is so bad it increases the death rate in Los Angeles.

Re: The Darker Side of the News

Posted: Thu May 17, 2018 4:41 pm UTC
by Mutex
Sableagle wrote:I haven't clicked the pink

I'm not familiar with this euphemism.

Re: The Darker Side of the News

Posted: Thu May 17, 2018 4:50 pm UTC
by Soupspoon
Mutex wrote:
Sableagle wrote:I haven't clicked the pink

I'm not familiar with this euphemism.

Learn how to do that, and you'll never have to buy her gas-station flowers ever again!

Re: The Darker Side of the News

Posted: Thu May 17, 2018 11:19 pm UTC
by Coyne
ObsessoMom wrote:Well, that's not good:

Mysterious rise in banned ozone-destroying chemical shocks scientists
CFCs have been outlawed for years but researchers have detected new production somewhere in east Asia.


Sounds like Professor Chaos and General Disarray have struck again.

Re: The Darker Side of the News

Posted: Fri May 18, 2018 3:57 pm UTC
by Soupspoon
More school deaths, in Texas. (Ho hum? Shouldn't be, but feels like it.)

Toddler died of gunshot wound during police chase, in Belgium. (My first impressions are that it was a mix of miscommunication and bad decisions, but only time will tell.)

Re: The Darker Side of the News

Posted: Fri May 18, 2018 4:47 pm UTC
by Sableagle
Soupspoon wrote:More school deaths, in Texas.
The death toll makes this the deadliest school shooting since the one in February at Parkland, Florida.


It's May. The death toll in this deadly shooting incident inside a school makes it the deadliest one since that other one in February. That implies that there have been others in between. In fact it implies that of course we all already knew there had been others in between, like "Duh, man, that shit happens like every other week now."


Re: The Darker Side of the News

Posted: Fri May 18, 2018 5:02 pm UTC
by SuicideJunkie
Sableagle wrote:Own_v_use.png

Dividing by population on one side and not the other makes that chart quite biased.
Germany at around 80M vs US around 300M, puts that much closer to the ownership ratio.

Considering population shows Canada isn't as far ahead of the US on this as we'd like to think.

Re: The Darker Side of the News

Posted: Sun May 20, 2018 5:38 pm UTC
by addams
A Cat Attack has made the Mass Media.
https://www.adn.com/nation-world/2018/0 ... f-seattle/

I have Strong personal views that go against the Party Line.
In the last 100 years in North America, according to the agency, roughly 25 fatalities and 95 nonfatal attacks have been reported.
I call BullShit.
I Know, for a Fact, those Big Silent Killers hunt single human hikers preferentially.
There have been More that 25 dead in the last one hundred years.

I understand Why the authorities don't want to freak out the Natives.
We might go back to hunting them with Dogs. That's bad. Still...

It is Dark and Creepy;
And; it may serve to alert the Formites to a very real danger of Solo Hiking in the Western US.

It is easy for the Strong and Healthy to get 8 to 10 miles (15-16 kilometers) from the trail head into Cat Country.
Oh, you Europeans; You don't have Cats, Bear and Crocodiles. We Do! They will hunt and kill humans for fun.

Twenty-Five Dead?
Pfft! That's a Joke.

There were eight in that one canyon in L.A.
No one ever told. The 'got' the Cat and moved on.

Millionaires are afforded privacy in life and in death.
Just, Be Careful when in the Americas. Don't hike alone!

Re: The Darker Side of the News

Posted: Sun May 20, 2018 7:47 pm UTC
by Sableagle
addams wrote:You don't have Cats. We Do!

I've noticed.
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addams wrote:Don't hike alone!

That was one of the rules.

Re: The Darker Side of the News

Posted: Sun May 20, 2018 9:21 pm UTC
by Grop
addams wrote:Oh, you Europeans; You don't have Cats, Bear and Crocodiles. We Do! They will hunt and kill humans for fun.


We have finished terraforming for quite a while. When are you doing your part of the world?

Re: The Darker Side of the News

Posted: Sun May 20, 2018 10:19 pm UTC
by commodorejohn
Grop wrote:
addams wrote:Oh, you Europeans; You don't have Cats, Bear and Crocodiles. We Do! They will hunt and kill humans for fun.

We have finished terraforming for quite a while. When are you doing your part of the world?

Well, we started on it a couple hundred years ago, and were making pretty good progress (Pa Ingalls would be impressed how much harder it is to encounter cougars in rural Wisconsin these days,) but in the interim people suddenly got all sore about it for some reason...

Re: The Darker Side of the News

Posted: Sun May 20, 2018 10:57 pm UTC
by addams
Yes.
We were well on our way to exterminating all non-domestic life forms.
Then we went all soft.

Now, we have Eagle, Osprey and Heron in the sky.
We have Panther, Wolves and Bear in the Forest.

(sigh...) I'm of two minds about the whole thing.
We can't turn our back on the Ocean. Sneaker waves kill!
We can't mindlessly wander into the wilderness. (sigh..)

Hiking with Dogs helps a lot.
And; Never ever hike alone.

On the Up Side;
The ruthless Crocodile is not a problem where it snows.
In my experience, Crocodile don't like to climb.
Any steep incline away from the water will do.