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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby Zamfir » Thu Aug 23, 2018 10:22 am UTC

Verizon sounds rather reasonable, based on that article. The Fire department does not have the top-tier plan. They usually get switched (for free) to the top-tier plan in emergency situations. Not everyone at Verizon knows about that policy. When the fire department reaches the wrong contact person, they don't get the upgrade. But the firefighters don't realize that they are asking for a courtesy upgrade, they think they are complaining about bad service.

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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby Zohar » Thu Aug 23, 2018 2:25 pm UTC

EdgarJPublius wrote:It had nothing to do with Net Neutrality, if anything, it illustrates that Net Neutrality doesn't do anything to address many of the most predatory aspects of the telecom oligopolies and that perhaps a different approach is needed.

Just because this was not an issue related to net neutrality doesn't mean net neutrality isn't an issue... There can be multiple problems with the telecom market.
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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby elasto » Thu Aug 23, 2018 2:44 pm UTC

Zohar wrote:Just because this was not an issue related to net neutrality doesn't mean net neutrality isn't an issue...

Yeah but they are trying to make this about net neutrality when it isn't:

"Verizon's throttling has everything to do with net neutrality — it shows that the ISPs will act in their economic interests, even at the expense of public safety," Santa Clara County counsel James Williams told Ars Technica on Thursday. "That is exactly what the Trump Administration's repeal of net neutrality allows and encourages."


Sorry, I have to agree with the others: This isn't a net neutrality issue, it's a data cap issue, and I think it's perfectly reasonable for companies to offer tiers at different price points with different caps. And if instead of throttling they automatically bumped you up a tier once you reached your cap, say, people would complain about being unable to budget for that.

Net neutrality is about different services/websites being throttled in terms of how well they perform compared to each other, not about an overall cap on data. And, sure, the loss of net neutrality represents a profound threat. But this isn't that; it only demonstrates that companies act in the economic interests of their shareholders. But, duh, that's what they are legally obligated to do.

So, yeah, in a roundabout way I agree with Williams: ISPs do act in their own economic interests; and to the extent that that comes as a shock to people, people need to be made aware of that fact I guess. Just not sure this particular example highlights it very well, that's all.

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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby Soupspoon » Thu Aug 23, 2018 4:22 pm UTC

As I understand it, it was an explicitly uncapped data plan, except for everything beyond the non-cap being mired in particularly gloopy molasses.

I think there was a (human-scale) miscommunication as to what this means. With a cap where you can buy (or barter) additional capacity you get a better idea of what's going on.

I agree (if there were no service differentiations, like sustaining the ISP's own service while third-parr things like VOIPs were throttled) then it was, strictly, neutral.

But I'm also unsure why specific guaranteed network slicing for emergency-services has not been implemented for accredited agencies, to cut out the whole need to work within the system just like a private citizen or corporation (either permanent or activated as needed upon a major incident being called), which would also help to ensure that a peak of civilian use can't interfere with official channels (combined with an EBS and tailored system-busy/text-back messages to convey why some people maybe can't currently get a stable connection past an otherwise overloaded cell-mast and give location-specific advice).

The tech is there, given that the non-neutrality of tech is already possible (even if until recently that was discouraged) and it could be either a required service under terms of federal communications licencing or a practical 'gift' by the provider to help grease the wheels..

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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby Zohar » Thu Aug 23, 2018 4:32 pm UTC

elasto wrote:Sorry, I have to agree with the others: This isn't a net neutrality issue, it's a data cap issue, and I think it's perfectly reasonable for companies to offer tiers at different price points with different caps.

Literally no one here disagreed with you on this point.

Soupspoon wrote:As I understand it, it was an explicitly uncapped data plan, except for everything beyond the non-cap being mired in particularly gloopy molasses.

This is true for every plan you buy that says "unlimited", whether discussing unlimited talk, text, or data. Otherwise it would be relatively easy for one person to sign up for an unlimited account and share it with a dozen other people. Fair Usage Policies are an industry standard, and I highly doubt that's going to change anytime soon.
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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby Soupspoon » Thu Aug 23, 2018 4:49 pm UTC

FUPs are FUPs, but IME the standard practice for 'Unlimited' has been a graded throttling, alongside a warning message, not suddenly plunged in a full-on sand-trap that is only technically not a cap.

But I already know that Leftpondian practices are significantly different from Rightpondian ones.

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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby Zohar » Thu Aug 23, 2018 5:58 pm UTC

There can be multiple throttling limits involved, not just one. When I was working in telecom it was common practice to set pretty slow speeds after you reach your limit.
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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby addams » Fri Aug 24, 2018 9:04 pm UTC

Warfare has changed.
The weapons are inside the infrastructure of the U.S.
It is, just, a matter of having a reason to use them.
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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby ObsessoMom » Sat Aug 25, 2018 2:16 pm UTC

TL;DR: It's a pretty impressive feat to be able to warp a bail reform bill into something that even Human Rights Watch and the ACLU have to vehemently oppose. Congratulations, bail bond industry lobbyists and California Legislature!

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I had great hopes for SB 10, a California legislative bill to reform our horrible money bail system. From Human Rights Watch:

In “Not in it for Justice,” Human Rights Watch detailed how prosecutors and judges use unattainable bail as a method of “preventive detention,” by making it impossible for an individual to be released pretrial. This de facto preventive detention undermines the presumption of innocence by causing people who have not been convicted of a crime to stay in jail for at least 30 days on a misdemeanor and 90 days on a felony just to be able to exercise the Sixth Amendment right to trial. As a result, over 60 percent of prisoners in California jails have been pretrial detainees.

The only option besides staying in jail, for those unable to pay bail amounts, is to plead guilty for a sentence shorter than the time required to wait for trial. Our study of six representative California counties found that between 70 and 90 percent of misdemeanor and non-serious/non-violent felony defendants plead guilty and are released rather than wait until their first possible trial date. While difficult to quantify, it is certain that many innocent people are pleading guilty and many others are subjected to harsher sentences than they deserve, given the coercive nature of this choice. Judges and prosecutors know that pretrial detention pressures guilty pleas and moves court calendars faster, as people who are out of custody are more likely to assert their rights to litigate their cases.


Human Rights Watch and the American Civil Liberties Union have been promoting SB 10 for a long time. It's now on Governor Jerry Brown's desk. Good news? No. Human Rights Watch and the ACLU are now actively arguing against SB 10, because it recently got amended by the Legislature into something even more evil than the current money bail system!

Human Rights Watch Urges Governor Brown of California to Veto Senate Bill 10, The California Bail Reform Act: The new SB 10 is simply not bail reform.

Statement of opposition from the ACLU

Here's the text of the latter statement (dated August 20):

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SACRAMENTO – Today, the Executive Directors of the ACLU California affiliates announced a change to the ACLU’s position on Senate Bill 10, the California Bail Reform Act.

The following statement can be jointly attributed to the three Executive Directors of the California ACLU affiliates: Abdi Soltani (Northern California), Hector Villagra (Southern California), and Norma Chávez Peterson (San Diego & Imperial Counties):

“After further serious consideration, the ACLU of California has changed its position on the recently-amended SB 10 to oppose. As much as we would welcome an end to the predatory lending practices of the for-profit bail industry, SB 10 cannot promise a system with a substantial reduction in pretrial detention. Neither can SB 10 provide sufficient due process nor adequately protect against racial biases and disparities that permeate our justice system.

“Unfortunately, this amended version of SB 10 is not the model for pretrial justice and racial equity that the ACLU of California envisioned, worked for, and remains determined to achieve. We oppose the bill because it seeks to replace the current deeply-flawed system with an overly broad presumption of preventative detention. This falls short of critical bail reform goals and compromises our fundamental values of due process and racial justice.

“We nevertheless reiterate our commitment to working with the state legislature, and our partners and allies to create a strong, fair justice system for the benefit and wellbeing of all Californians.”


Wow. Just wow.

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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby addams » Sat Aug 25, 2018 4:09 pm UTC

(sigh...)Ya' work and work on a Good Law...
And; The assholes edit the Good out of it at the last moment.

Then, they can say you won't pass your own bill.
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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby Sableagle » Sun Aug 26, 2018 9:29 pm UTC

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-usa-m ... KKCN1LB00D
McCain had been suffering from brain cancer since July 2017 and had not been at the U.S. Capitol this year.

He died on Saturday afternoon at his ranch in Arizona with his wife Cindy and other family members at his bedside.

McCain frequently battled with Trump and his family has said he did not want the president to attend his funeral.

Flags flew at half-staff at the White House on Sunday. Trump has tweeted his “deepest sympathies and respect” to McCain’s family, although he added no words of praise for McCain himself.

All five living former presidents — Barack Obama, George W. Bush, Bill Clinton, George H.W. Bush and Jimmy Carter — paid tribute to McCain’s courage and character.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-45315970
Several people have been killed in a shooting at an entertainment complex in Jacksonville, Florida, police say.

The suspected gunman, a white male, was dead at the scene and no other suspects were being sought, the sheriff's office said.

An unspecified number of people were also wounded in the incident.

The shooting happened during a video game tournament being held at Jacksonville Landing, a large shopping, entertainment and dining complex.

According to the Los Angeles Times, a gamer opened fire after losing, then killed himself. The report, which quoted messages from another gamer, could not immediately be confirmed.


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McCain consistently opposed to torture

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He repeatedly stood up to the Bush administration, opposing such controversial practices as waterboarding as cruel and inhumane. The Bush administration argued that waterboarding is legal under certain circumstances and the Central Intelligence Agency publicly acknowledged waterboarding three people since Sept. 11, 2001 (including Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, thought to be the mastermind behind the attacks).

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Although the CIA was not limited to those specific techniques, McCain argued the CIA had to abide by a prohibition against cruel, inhumane or degrading treatment as per the international convention of torture.

And McCain has consistently spoken out against torture during his run for president.

"Anyone who knows what waterboarding is could not be unsure. It is a horrible torture technique used by Pol Pot and being used on Buddhist monks as we speak," McCain said after a campaign stop in Iowa in October 2007.

"People who have worn the uniform and had the experience know that this is a terrible and odious practice and should never be condoned in the U.S. We are a better nation than that."
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A leading Republican voice on national security matters says he doesn’t care what president-elect Donald Trump says, the United States will not reinstate waterboarding.

Senator John McCain of Arizona, chairman of the armed services committee, said on Saturday that any attempt to bring back harsh tortures such as waterboarding, which simulates drowning, would quickly be challenged in court.

“I don’t give a damn what the president of the United States wants to do or anybody else wants to do. We will not waterboard. We will not do it,” McCain said to applause during a panel discussion at the Halifax international security forum.
... is dead, and so are a few other people because some dickhead got pissed off about not winning a video game.

Well, now that we've seen that it's actually NFL videogames that cause violence, not first-person shooters, it's clear that EA Sports should be banned from further trading and all existing FIFA and Madden servers should be shut down permanently to prevent a repeat of this terrible tragedy and also everyone else should buy more rifles just in case this happens again.
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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby Angua » Mon Aug 27, 2018 1:30 pm UTC

It's ridiculous that video game tournaments are more likely to have changes made to them than gun control measures after a shooting.
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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby sardia » Mon Aug 27, 2018 1:46 pm UTC

Angua wrote:It's ridiculous that video game tournaments are more likely to have changes made to them than gun control measures after a shooting.

The video game lobby isn't very organized. So the weak suffer when the strong demand it.

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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby Sableagle » Mon Aug 27, 2018 3:10 pm UTC

If they're going to have a gun-check like the coat-check, I hope they're going to provide a big box of sand and insist everyone aim into it while clearing their weapons before handing them in and upon taking them back ...

... and also that they have good precautions in place against some lunatic(s) stealing the whole armoury for use in (a) killing spree(s) elsewhere.

(Apologies to ordinary, decent lunatics who would never do such a thing.)
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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby Tyndmyr » Mon Aug 27, 2018 3:15 pm UTC

Fatalities downgraded to two. https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/27/us/jacksonville-madden-tournament-shooting/index.html

So, that's something, at least.

I do not look forward to the inevitable media speculation about if video games cause violence.

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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby addams » Mon Aug 27, 2018 3:17 pm UTC

Sableagle wrote:(Apologies to ordinary, decent lunatics who would never do such a thing.)[/right]
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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby Dauric » Mon Aug 27, 2018 3:48 pm UTC

Tyndmyr wrote:Fatalities downgraded to two. https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/27/us/jacksonville-madden-tournament-shooting/index.html

So, that's something, at least.

I do not look forward to the inevitable media speculation about if video games cause violence.


I was rather disappointed in NPR this morning as their coverage kept mentioning "Gamer" as though it was a subspecies of human being, phrases like "the perpetrator was a gamer" "the victims were gamers", etc. "Participant in the tournament", "Attendee of the event" would have been preferable phrasings. They're people 'doing stuff' not people 'being stuff'.
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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby Zohar » Mon Aug 27, 2018 4:10 pm UTC

Yeah I wasn't too pleased with that either... How about "Violent white man" instead of "Gamer"? How about "Not an immigrant"?
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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby Sableagle » Mon Aug 27, 2018 4:12 pm UTC

Tyndmyr wrote:Fatalities downgraded to two. https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/27/us/jacksonville-madden-tournament-shooting/index.html

So, that's something, at least.

I do not look forward to the inevitable media speculation about if video games cause violence.


Bit late to not look forward to it. It's embedded in the BBC page:

Didn't take long.JPG


Considering what game was being played ...

Madden covers.JPG


... shouldn't it have caused people to go out into a mowed field somewhere and throw a pigskin around?

Given how many movie posters and covers feature a man holding a pistol because he's about to put the world to rights with it, shouldn't we blame Hollywood instead? Oh, wait. Hollywood has lawyers.
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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby Tyndmyr » Mon Aug 27, 2018 5:09 pm UTC

Zohar wrote:Yeah I wasn't too pleased with that either... How about "Violent white man" instead of "Gamer"? How about "Not an immigrant"?


Either of those categories would have been at least somewhat useful. Everyone's a gamer, these days. It's odd, it's like the media thinks we're still a few rag tag nerds that are outcasts and oddballs. Naw, frigging everyone plays games, and Madden is about as far from obscure as you can get.

Sableagle wrote:I do not look forward to the inevitable media speculation about if video games cause violence.


Bit late to not look forward to it. It's embedded in the BBC page:


Oh, goddammit.

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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby sardia » Mon Aug 27, 2018 6:49 pm UTC

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source= ... 7F-_hEdXx_
Russian Trolls Used Vaccine Debate to Sow Discord, Study Finds
Twitter accounts that were used to meddle in the 2016 presidential election also sent both pro- and anti-vaccine messages and insulted parents. You see this pattern,” said David A. Broniatowski, a computer engineer at George Washington University and lead author of the study, which was published Thursday in the American Journal of Public Health. “On guns, or race, these accounts take opposite sides in lots of debates. They’re about sowing discord

For the few of you who think, 'maybe Russians are just really into the vaccine debate'.
That account, which Twitter closed, “was a failed campaign by Russian trolls,” Dr. Broniatowski said.
Anti-vaccine sentiment is lower in Russia than in many other European countries. According to the World Health Organization, nearly 100 percent of Russian children have had all their shots.
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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby Sableagle » Mon Aug 27, 2018 7:09 pm UTC

sardia wrote:welcome to modern psychological warfare.
They're making your children sick to stop you getting along with your neighbours.

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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby Yablo » Mon Aug 27, 2018 7:19 pm UTC

Sableagle wrote:If they're going to have a gun-check like the coat-check, I hope they're going to provide a big box of sand and insist everyone aim into it while clearing their weapons before handing them in and upon taking them back ...

... and also that they have good precautions in place against some lunatic(s) stealing the whole armoury for use in (a) killing spree(s) elsewhere.

(Apologies to ordinary, decent lunatics who would never do such a thing.)

It wasn't that long ago when we did have gun-check lines. There's a bar in my city that has a gun on display which was apparently checked by Wyatt Earp and then not claimed when he left.

Dauric wrote:I was rather disappointed in NPR this morning as their coverage kept mentioning "Gamer" as though it was a subspecies of human being, phrases like "the perpetrator was a gamer" "the victims were gamers", etc. "Participant in the tournament", "Attendee of the event" would have been preferable phrasings. They're people 'doing stuff' not people 'being stuff'.

I agree. And never mind that "gamer" doesn't just mean "person who plays video games." People who play role playing games, board games, card games, and slot machines fit that description, too.
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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby Quizatzhaderac » Mon Aug 27, 2018 10:56 pm UTC

As a resident of Jacksonville I've found the coverage particularly interesting. (Not so much the event itself because I don't remotely know anyone involved and this event is an outlier on so many levels)

One of the first things that struck me is a headline included the phrase "Jacksonville hotspot", which suggests they didn't run the article by anyone in the city. ("Mall that has surprisingly not gone out of business, yet" would be more apt.)

sardia wrote:welcome to modern psychological warfare.
I generally do not read comments on news articles, but I did and "Russian Troll" is about the level of context I often saw. For example: some implied that Florida was an anti-gun state, or that this guy (who hadn't been named yet) was already a well documented risk that any screening could have caught.
Yablo wrote:I agree. And never mind that "gamer" doesn't just mean "person who plays video games." People who play role playing games, board games, card games, and slot machines fit that description, too.
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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby sardia » Mon Aug 27, 2018 11:59 pm UTC

Quizatzhaderac wrote:I generally do not read comments on news articles, but I did and "Russian Troll" is about the level of context I often saw. For example: some implied that Florida was an anti-gun state, or that this guy (who hadn't been named yet) was already a well documented risk that any screening could have caught.
Yablo wrote:I agree. And never mind that "gamer" doesn't just mean "person who plays video games." People who play role playing games, board games, card games, and slot machines fit that description, too.
Labels are funny. As a society we've decided that we need a label for "person who plays long form video games", and I'm fine with that as long as people don't implicitly add on "Awkward, obsessive, deviant, violent person".

Trolls don't take both sides of an argument or try to get both sides together just so they can fight. This is more methodical.

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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby Soupspoon » Tue Aug 28, 2018 1:48 pm UTC

Anybody interested that Russia are playing with their soldiers (and some Chinese ones too)?

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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby Tyndmyr » Tue Aug 28, 2018 2:29 pm UTC

Quizatzhaderac wrote:
sardia wrote:welcome to modern psychological warfare.
I generally do not read comments on news articles, but I did and "Russian Troll" is about the level of context I often saw. For example: some implied that Florida was an anti-gun state, or that this guy (who hadn't been named yet) was already a well documented risk that any screening could have caught.


The former is not really correct, Florida's decently gun-loving.

The latter is true. https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/28/us/jacksonville-madden-shooter-katz-mental-health-invs/index.html He apparently lived a few miles from me, and has a long list of mental health issues. Unfortunately, the MD mental health system is a steaming pile of hot garbage, and thus, despite being an extremely anti-gun state, they routinely fail to properly report mental health issues to the background check system.

There are privacy issues preventing us from knowing the whole of his medical records, but given what we do know, it seems likely that the MD system failed.

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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby Quizatzhaderac » Tue Aug 28, 2018 5:15 pm UTC

The thing about the mental health screening comments, is that they were made before the shooter was named.
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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby Tyndmyr » Tue Aug 28, 2018 5:24 pm UTC

Perhaps a guess at the time, but an accurate one, it turns out.

Not a strange result, as a great many shooters have turned out to have mental health issues. It's probably a safe bet that the next mass shooter to hit the news will also be a bit mentally unstable.

I wonder if his dad has changed his mind about the whole "he's not crazy" thing.

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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby sardia » Wed Aug 29, 2018 11:51 pm UTC

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/th ... story.html
U.S. is denying passports to Americans along the border, throwing their citizenship into question

Since not every brown person is an illegal, might as well accuse citizens of fraudulent birth certificates. Then you can harass EVERY brown person.

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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby CorruptUser » Thu Aug 30, 2018 12:52 am UTC

That site is paywalled for me. Can you get another source?

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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby bbluewi » Thu Aug 30, 2018 1:21 am UTC

CorruptUser wrote:That site is paywalled for me. Can you get another source?

https://splinternews.com/the-us-is-denying-passports-to-americans-born-near-the-1828701557

A left-leaning Gawker group site, but largely restating the Post.

Also noted in the article: a passport-holding US citizen who was held in a detention center for three days and is currently awaiting a deportation hearing. His lawyer made sure to point out that he has 20 similar cases as well. If that isn't fucked up, I don't know what is.

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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby sardia » Fri Aug 31, 2018 5:26 am UTC

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2 ... my-people/
Federal law enforcement officers arrested a man in California on Thursday after he made repeated threats of violence against the Boston Globe newspaper this month, which included echoing the catchphrase popularized by President Trump that the news media are “the enemy of the people,” officials said.

When white people incite violence, it's just a few bad apples, a metaphor for political action etc etc insert hold harmless comment after the fact.
Oh and if you think he might have other motivations
"You're the enemy of the people, and we're going to kill every f---ing one of you,” he said according to the complaint. “Hey, why don't you call the F, why don't you call Mueller, maybe he can help you out buddy.” On Aug. 22, a Globe employee asked Chain why he was calling, the complaint said.
"Because you are the enemy of the people,” Chain responded, saying he was motivated to attack the media because of the way they covered Trump. The case is the latest example of Trump's vitriolic language reverberating into the potential for violence. For some, Trump's name has been used as a slur used against racial minorities.
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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby Sableagle » Fri Aug 31, 2018 11:10 am UTC

Angua wrote:It's ridiculous that video game tournaments are more likely to have changes made to them than gun control measures after a shooting.


Three events have been cancelled while the firm conducts a "comprehensive review of safety protocols”.

Spoiler:
EA suspends events after gamers killed

A major eSports tournament has been suspended by games publisher Electronic Arts (EA) after a shooting that saw two competitors killed on Sunday.

Three events have been cancelled while the firm conducts a "comprehensive review of safety protocols”.

EA’s chief executive Andrew Wilson said he was “filled with shock and grief” over the killings in Florida.

Taylor Robertson, 28, and Elijah Clayton, 22, were "respected, positive and skilled competitors”, he added.

Police named the killer, who later turned the gun on himself, as 24-year-old Arsehole McShithead. Police said he targeted his victims but have not shared a possible motive.

The incident was partially captured on a livestream of the event being broadcast on video games site Twitch. Competitors were playing Madden NFL, EA's best-selling American Football title.

The shooting, which took place at the Jacksonville Landing shopping and entertainment complex in Florida, had prompted calls for greater security at eSports events.

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“We have made a decision to cancel our three remaining Madden Classic qualifier events while we run a comprehensive review of safety protocols for competitors and spectators.

"We will work with our partners and our internal teams to establish a consistent level of security at all of our competitive gaming events.”


Florida video game gunman's dark obsession with hobby

Arsehole McShithead, had a history of mental illness, according to his parents' divorce filing in his home state.

His mother once confiscated his console and locked it in her room, and he punched a hole in the door, she said.

Arsehole McShithead killed two people in the city of Jacksonville on Sunday before fatally shooting himself, police say.

According to court papers in Maryland, he had a longstanding feud with his mother, and had twice been hospitalised for mental illness.

"His hair would very often go unwashed for days," his mother told a court during her 2007 divorce proceedings.

"When I took his gaming equipment controllers away so he couldn't play at three or four in the morning, I'd get up and find that he was just walking around the house in circles."

The documents obtained by the Associated Press show that his parents - Nasa engineer Bob and government toxicologist Bob - disagreed over their youngest son's care, including whether he should take the antipsychotic medication he had been prescribed.

The boy sometimes "curled up into a ball", refused to attend school and sobbed, Mrs Bob said.

The Maryland judge awarded custody to Arsehole McShithead's mother, and the father was allowed visitation rights.

Eli Clayton, 21, and Taylor Robertson, 27, were shot dead in Sunday's attack in Jacksonville at an eSports tournament for players of Madden NFL, an American football game.

Eleven others were injured.

Fellow players spoke of Arsehole McShithead's erratic playing style and unwillingness to make friends.

"We've always known he was a little off and stuff just because he wasn't social at all," Shay Kivlen, 21, of Seattle, told CBS News on Monday.

Jacksonville Sheriff Mike Williams told the Baltimore Sun on Monday that no motive had yet been determined.

He said Arsehole McShithead had legally purchased the two handguns used in the shooting from a licensed dealer in the Baltimore area.


At least the other two pages don't have the inserted bit about "Do video games make people violent?"

I went looking for talk about gun laws. "Florida shooting hun laws" brings up lots of results about the discussion of gun control in the aftermath of the recent shooting in a Florida nightclub and about the discussion of gun control in the aftermath of the recent shooting in a Florida high school, but on the first page only one about this resent shooting in Florida. It's USA Today:

Jacksonville shooter legally armed himself in state with one of USA's toughest gun laws

In hindsight, the latter seems logical, particularly in light of court documents from his parents’ bitter divorce that suggest Arsehole McShithead’s psychological troubles started more than a decade ago.

But in legal terms, Arsehole McShithead, who killed himself at the scene after injuring several others, lawfully obtained his two handguns in Maryland, a state that is among a dozen with comparatively high hurdles to firearm ownership.

According to a ranking of states based on the toughness of their gun laws, Maryland rates an A-minus, according to the Giffords Law Center to Prevent Violence, placing it just behind California, New Jersey, Connecticut, Massachusetts and New York.

Specifically, Maryland goes a few steps beyond federal laws – which prevent the sale of weapons to those “adjudicated as a mental defective" – and restricts sales to anyone with a history of violent behavior or those who voluntarily have spent more than 30 days in a mental health facility.

Even though Arsehole McShithead had, according to a summary of online court records reviewed by USA TODAY, been sent for a short spell as a teen to Maryland’s Sheppard Pratt Health System and spent a few months at Utah’s RedCliff Ascent Wilderness Treatment Program, none of that would have disqualified him from gun ownership.

"We set a high bar for removing someone's gun in the U.S., and getting mental health treatment doesn't meet that bar," said Susan Sorenson, professor of social policy at the University of Pennsylvania and an expert on gun violence prevention.

"People get disappointed and angry, and often that results in a tragedy," she said. "But those reactions aren't unique to people with disorders, they're unique to being human."

Diving into the details of Arsehole McShithead's past behavior may offer clues, said Daniel Webster, director of the Johns Hopkins Center for Gun Policy and Research.

“The best predictor of future violence is prior violence," he said. "Being treated for a mental health condition is a poor predictor for future acts of violence. The vast majority of people being treated for mental illness aren’t a threat.”

From a public policy standpoint, Webster said, restricting access to goods or services based on treatment for mental health risks stigmatizing those who seek help.

In the case of Arsehole McShithead, “if we rolled back the clock and you showed me his background, would I say he’d commit a mass shooting?” he said. “I wouldn’t.”

Arsehole McShithead was not without deep troubles. He was at the center of a divorce between his father, Bob, a NASA engineer, and his mother, Bob, who worked for the Food and Drug Administration.

Divorce proceedings frequently cited Arsehole McShithead’s psychological volatility. He would, said Howard County Circuit Court Judge Lenore Gelfman, go “days without bathing,” play video games until dawn and was “extremely hostile” toward his mother, according to court transcripts cited by The Baltimore Sun.

Arsehole McShithead took an anti-psychotic drug used to treat bipolar disorder and schizophrenia, according to court records. Despite his problems, Arsehole McShithead graduated high school in 2011, and a few years later, he enrolled at the University of Maryland.

Though his studies were not exceptional, Arsehole McShithead developed a reputation as a winning video gamer, which included a Buffalo Bills Madden championship in 2017. It was at another Madden contest in Jacksonville last weekend that Arsehole McShithead returned to compete but instead became unhinged.

Gun policy experts agreed Arsehole McShithead did not fall through any cracks in Maryland’s system, emphasizing that only previous acts of violence or extreme threats of violence would have provided a warning of things to come.

Some states provide families and law enforcement with concerns about certain people to flag past incidents and, when necessary, revoke gun ownership.

Called the Extreme Risk and Protection Order, which is in effect in eight states, including California, Oregon and Washington, the measure allows applicants to petition the court for temporary removal of weapons from anyone who displays warning signs of violent behavior.

"If Maryland allowed law enforcement discretion when issuing handgun licenses, they might have been able to prevent this individual from buying a handgun based on his psychiatric record if they believed that he would not be someone who would use a gun safely," said Allison Anderman, managing attorney for the Giffords Law Center.

Anderman cautioned that although mass shootings have been carried out by people with mental illness – including Sandy Hook Elementary School killer Arsehole McShithead and Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School suspect Arsehole McShithead – that remains the exception, not the rule.

“Most mentally ill people are not only not violent or a threat, but they’re statistically more likely to be victims of violent crime,” she said.

Gun control remains deeply contentious in the USA, especially after mass killings such as the Pulse nightclub in Orlando, Florida, where 49 died in 2016, and the Las Vegas concert massacre, where 58 were killed in 2017.

After the shooting in Jacksonville, National Rifle Association spokeswoman Dana Loesch tweeted that the incident highlights the need to revisit "gun-free zones," which prevented patrons, such as the ones at the Jacksonville Landing, from bringing guns to the premises.


The first time I read through that I thought they were saying that the various things listed under "mental health issues" shouldn't have disqualified him but his parents being divorced should, but it doesn't say that. It says that the various things listed under "mental health issues" were part of why his parents were divorced.

Summary version: "There's nothing wrong with the law as it stands that let him have that gun, because there was no reason he shouldn't have had a gun." The NRA, of course, say it's a shame he was the only person shooting.


"I’m confident, though, that by acknowledging it, by staring into that and seeing it for what it is, we still won’t do jack shit. Yeah. That’s us."
(Context was different but that part of the quote applies.)
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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby Tyndmyr » Fri Aug 31, 2018 2:21 pm UTC

sardia wrote:
"You're the enemy of the people, and we're going to kill every f---ing one of you,”


Well, that's a wee bit horrifying.

Describing media as the enemy of the people is altogether a bit odd. That particular phrase has some pretty bad history when it comes to justifying violence. Definitely not a good choice of words on Trump's part. Or good choice of sentiment. Whichever.

Also, yeah, all that bit about MD being a dumpster fire is correct. MD does not require explicit threats of violence in order to strip gun purchasing rights. It's one path, but being involuntarily committed for mental health is sufficient. It's possible that his stints in treatment were logged as voluntary. Even in the ER, folks are very, very reluctant to order involuntary commitment specifically because the MD mental health system is viewed as awful. I've seen people restrained to prevent self harm who were not logged. Gun laws here are very strict, but they are not very effective at restricting the people who should not have them. So, ultimately kind of pointless.

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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby sardia » Fri Aug 31, 2018 6:25 pm UTC

Tyndmyr wrote:
sardia wrote:
"You're the enemy of the people, and we're going to kill every f---ing one of you,”

Well, that's a wee bit horrifying.
Describing media as the enemy of the people is altogether a bit odd. That particular phrase has some pretty bad history when it comes to justifying violence. Definitely not a good choice of words on Trump's part. Or good choice of sentiment. Whichever.
I Don't find Trump's word choice to be odd. I find it pernicious, and accomplishing two things. It insulates his base from negative news towards Trump (delegitimizes any opposition) and it's a good tool to intimidate his opponents. Trump admitted this to reporters earlier.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source= ... H4&ampcf=1
And at one point he started to attack the press, and it's just me and my boss and him ... he's attacking the press and there were no cameras, there was nothing going on," Stahl said.
"And I said, 'You know that is getting tired, why are you doing this? You are doing it over and over, it's boring, it's time to end that. You won the nomination, why do you keep hammering at this?' "
"And he said, 'You know why I do it? I do it to demean you all and discredit you all, so that when you write negative stories about me no one will believe you,' " Stahl said.

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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby Yablo » Fri Aug 31, 2018 9:45 pm UTC

This could almost go in the humorous news thread, except it's a little disturbing.

Golfer pleads not guilty in brawl on links
A Brockton carpenter accused of biting off another golfer’s fingertip during a beer-fueled brawl on the back nine of a public course bragged to police, “I could tell it hurt him,” court documents state.

...

He later told police “the noise created by Derek Harkins biting onto his finger sounded, ‘Like someone chewing on a Dorito.’ ”

Are there any safe sports left?
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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby Sableagle » Fri Aug 31, 2018 9:51 pm UTC

Yablo wrote:Are there any safe sports left?
I think pistol target-shooting in the UK has had a very good safety record for a couple of decades now.
Oh, Willie McBride, it was all done in vain.

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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby EdgarJPublius » Fri Aug 31, 2018 11:50 pm UTC

Sableagle wrote:
Yablo wrote:Are there any safe sports left?
I think pistol target-shooting in the UK has had a very good safety record for a couple of decades now.


Well, actually... Shooting sports in general have a pretty good safety record. I think I read somewhere that they have a lower rate of injuries than golf.
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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby orthogon » Wed Sep 12, 2018 11:22 am UTC

Skripal poisoning: Putin says suspects 'civilians, not criminals'

One internet to the first person who can tell me what logical fallacy is being committed here.
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