KnightExemplar wrote:In which case, Ormurinn's graph is quite relevant.
Except his graph is committing two... headdeskingly annoying glaring errors:
1 ) It is presuming that all protest against Eich before hand was 'gay protests', and it is similarly assuming all protest after is 'Christian protest that was ignored'.
Agreed. Its poor evidence, but its evidence nonetheless.
Considering that You, Belial, and other members of this forum are satisfied with the resignation of Brendan Eich... I'd bet that most pro-gay marriage supporters are similarly happy with the chain of events that have occurred. They have also had more than a week to learn of the news.
There are a number of innate assumptions with that graph... but unless you got some better statistics, I'm going to have to grab Occam's Razor and assume the obvious.
2 ) It is ignoring that the initial protest against Eich was levied BY EMPLOYEES OF MOZILLA. I understand that public image of the company is important, but the feeling of the WORKERS surely counts for something here.
Q: Was Brendan Eich forced out by employee pressure?
A: No. Mozilla employees expressed a wide range of views on Brendan’s appointment as CEO: the majority of them positive and in support of his leadership, or expressing disappointment in Brendan’s support of Proposition 8 but that they nonetheless felt he would be a good leader for Mozilla. A small number (fewer than 10) called for his resignation, none of whom reported to Brendan directly. However media coverage focused disproportionately on the small number of negative comments — largely ignoring the wide range of reactions across the Mozilla community.
Mozilla’s culture of openness extends to encouraging our staff and community to be candid about their views on Mozilla’s direction, including during and after Brendan’s appointment as CEO. We’re proud of that openness and how it distinguishes Mozilla from most organizations.
It seems like most of Mozilla shares my opinion: which is support for Brendan Eich in some form. Even if there is disagreement in Proposition8, the vast majority of Mozilla employees supported Brendan, including Chairwoman Mitchell Baker.
Carlington wrote:Here's the crucial point. Here's the thing I have been driving at in every post I've made in this thread, and here is the thing that you seem to disagree with (either that, or you're flat-out determined to ignore it):
A CEO's performance is measured by how well the company they control performs. It is a CEO's responsibility to ensure that the company they control remains profitable. The profits of the company depend directly on the actions of its clients. If the clients stop giving their money to the company, the company's profits suffer. If this is a result of the actions of a CEO, then the CEO has failed his responsibility to ensure that the company remains profitable, and thus has failed to perform his job. Failure to perform one's job usually results in losing one's job.
And this is what makes it hard for me to take your message seriously. The Mozilla Corporation may be a for-profit company, but its a subcompany of the non-profit Mozilla Foundation. Their explicit goal is to keep the internet an open, standards-based communication medium. Neither the Mozilla Company nor the Mozilla Foundation have strayed away from this goal for 15 years. As CEO of Mozilla Corporation, it would be Brendan Eich's job to continue Mozilla's direction. I would expect that one of the founders of the Mozilla Foundation would run the subcompany Mozilla Corporation with the same direction that its parent non-profit wishes it to go towards.
Now LaserGuy almost had a point about CEOs "leading employees", but unfortunately, his argument disagrees with the facts. With over 1000 employees (statistically, more than ~38 LGBT individuals), and fewer than 10 protesters within the company... even the majority of LGBT individuals were supportive of Brenden Eich.
As for your perception of CEOs... perhaps it would be true for a more typical company. But no, the Mozilla Corporation is not driven by profits, nor is it driven by clients. It is a for-profit arm of the non-profit Mozilla Corporation
(to simplify tax issues), who's goal is to continue pushing for non-corporate and open control of the internet.
First Strike +1/+1 and Indestructible.