Magnanimous wrote:Tyndmyr wrote:His hatred against women was significant, but not his only issue. He had racial issues. Strange financial issues(the whole lottery thing). The dude just had skewed expectations in general. I am not trying to make a statement that his varying objects of hatred were equal...but merely trying to point out how pervasively hatred had taken over his life.
Therefore, expecting his plan to be coherent and logical is maybe asking a bit much. He had clearly left logic behind. He was a broken person.
Even a broken clock is... Well, I think the point is his entitlement was based on women, and that this level of misogyny in mass murderers is rare and pretty specific. Though really that distracts from the bigger issue, which is that so many men helped feed his anger.
Right. The specific target of his hatred was unusual. The hatred was not. Hatred, isolation, alienation, entitlement...these are a theme found in mass murderers. They blame others for their issues to the degree of acting violently to get "retribution" for imagined wrongs.
I have no trouble with blaming those who encourage such hatred, including MRA and PUA organizations.
blowfishhootie wrote:Tyndmyr wrote:Therefore, expecting his plan to be coherent and logical is maybe asking a bit much. He had clearly left logic behind. He was a broken person.
I can't figure out what it is you're arguing. He was crazy, so there's no reason to learn anything from the violent misogyny this guy displays? It seems to me like that's what you're saying. But those things have nothing to do with one another. His lack of coherence and logic doesn't mean we in discussing it are lacking those things. The dude tried to shoot up a sorority house, explicitly stated over and over that he was out to kill as many women as possible. He wrote approximately two racist things in his entire rambling essay and collection of thoughts online, and even that - like his threats toward men - was borne directly out of his feelings on females. You take this information and decide, "man, this guy hated lots of kinds of people." This is like saying, "slaveowners sure didn't have a lot of respect for many kinds of people." It's almost as if you are going to lengths to subtly deny that women in particular should be terrified of this guy and the ideology he espoused.
Should we just shrug our shoulders at every mass murderer and say, "oh well, that guy sure was crazy" and then never try to analyze their behavior?
I am saying that you cannot take his statements as absolute truth. Yes, he may have SAID that one woman caring about him would have been enough...but his statements were clearly not of a sound mind, and cannot be taken as certain.
Also, you totally fixated on that one portion, and ignored what I said about his anti-woman views to come to that conclusion. Read all of what I posted, and it should be clear that I am not, in fact, dismissing his misogyny. Take your misplaced rage elsewhere.