jareds wrote:He probably did have Asperger's. He was also extremely narcissistic, to the level of "I am the closest thing there is to a living god."
Long-distance diagnosis of mental illness is far from reliable. The passages that you are calling "narcissistic" are not narcissistic is a medical sense. The term for what they are is grandiose. Grandiose thinking can be seen in narcissistic personality disorder, but also, and far more commonly, in schizophrenia, mania, and abuse of CNS stimulants (meth, cocaine, PCP).
The lawyer said he was pushed from a balcony and broke his ankle, and the lawyer may well have believed that Rodger was the victim. However, his own manifesto/autobiography describes the incident as follows. He was at a party near some guys and some girls who weren't paying attention to him. He tried to act arrogant and cocky by throwing insults at everyone. They laughed at him and insulted him back, so he became enraged and tried to push as many as he could off the balcony, especially the girls. However, he was pushed off instead and broke his ankle. He didn't want to get in trouble, so he concocted an altered version of the story, in which boys pushed him from the balcony because he was cocky to them, which he told his father and the police and one of his social skills counselors, but the boys in question had a different story for the police, and nothing came of it. This is all his own interpretation of his behavior, not mine. He does say about this incident that he was bullied before but never before was he physically beat up. While non-physical bullying is very real, I wouldn't give it credence in this case without reading his episodic account of it (I didn't read his whole manifesto, just the Santa Barbara part).
I wasn't referring to that particular incident. It sounds like he was bullied. Physical, social, I'm not sure that matters very much.
EMTP wrote:Even with the best mental health care and social support, and the best possible effort on his part, Rodger might never have been able to function at a high enough level socially to have the kind of social and romantic success he wanted.
Well, yes. He wanted hot, beautiful blond girls [his words]. He wanted to be a multi-millionaire, or to fit in a certain conception of high social status that one would associate explicitly with wealth. He was upset with his mom for not picking a rich guy to remarry so that he, Elliot Rodger, would obtain that social status. I'm not even sure he was interested in friends as much as high social status that he felt he deserved. Truly, there is no doubt that he never would have achieved the success he wanted, at least not without changing his desires to better match reality.
You don't know him, and neither do I. You seem to want to construct a narrative in which all of his problems were the result of his bad character and no actual objective hardships played a role. The only point I see in that exercise is to give yourself an excuse to hate him without any dross of pity or sympathy intruding. Better to accept that like a lot of villains, he was likely also at some point a victim of other people, and of circumstance beyond his control:
I and the public know
What all schoolchildren learn,
Those to whom evil is done
Do evil in return.
EMTP wrote:Life's not fair, yes. And sickness is not fair. And mental illness is the least fair of all. It's sad.
It's sad that some people are that way, but I simply don't have the same sympathy for narcissism and entitlement and self-interested lying as I do for other mental disorders.
Did you know that lack of empathy for others is a symptom of narcissism?