KnightExemplar wrote:Lets try that again.
I try not to characterize anti-#GamerGaters, and you try not to characterize #GamerGate.
These sorts of discussions work best when biases, characterizations, and strawmen are left at the door. Those distractions only serve to stoke the flames of war. I've shortcut my language a few times and have characterized anti#GamerGaters in some of my posts, but I try my best not to talk about the movement in general.
False equivalence. You say you won't characterize anti-#GamerGaters
, for me not characterizing #GamerGate. The fuck? How am I supposed to have a conversation about it then? Let's give it a shot.Some GamerGaters are jerks. But some aren't. Some GamerGaters are misogynistic fuckoffs. Some are excellent people entirely concerned with upholding the integrity of the sacred and solemn field of video game journalism. Some GamerGaters make death and rape threats. Some condemn those. Hey, that looks like I said nothing at all! I'm fine with saying there are plenty of people who support GamerGate. There are! I would assume there are actual women who support it. I don't doubt that TYFC are feminists. I'm also comfortable saying GG is a misogynist movement. Its goals, its rhetoric, its targets: they all point to the overwhelming misogyny behind the movement.
KnightExemplar wrote:With that said, the tag "#NotYourShield" is exactly the point of making a new name. #NotYourShield is the feminist / minority supporters of #GamerGate.
Uh huh. http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2014/09/new-chat-logs-show-how-4chan-users-pushed-gamergate-into-the-national-spotlight/
KnightExemplar wrote:My point exactly.
Just as "Occupy" couldn't change their name when those guys joined in, #GamerGate can't just "change their name" now that /b/tard trolls have joined their side. Its not like these mobs are actually organized groups of people. They're composed of people angrily yelling at other people on the internet (or... potentially... on the street)
What event was the trigger for #GamerGate? Was it the termination of Jeff Gerstmann? Was it when games journalists cheered when they got free XBoxes from Microsoft? Was it when Gamasutra published a survey that showed many YouTube gaming channels were getting money from the publishers?
Nope. It started when a female indie developer slept with someone who had once mentioned a game she made.
Let's take a look at another aspect of GamerGate. Is it fighting back against "bullying" that criticizes gamers as losers? Like Sam Biddle's awful tweet. Surely it condemns anyone who chacterizes gamers that way? Like what about this article
that insults gamers and games repeatedly because of the actions of a few bad actors. Surely this author, Milo Yiannopoulos must be a target of GamerGate?
You can't help but feel it's a game for frustrated beta males who can't kill or shag anything in real life, so get their kicks doing it on a computer screen.
Is it me, or do these weirdos need therapy and their internet connections taken away by mum?
Hahah nope. That asshole is considered an ally of #GamerGate
But GamerGate is against bullying too! That's why they love this guy for challenging Sam Biddle to a boxing match!
Yep. This guy.
. @hugoschwyzer Why don't you do the world a favor, man up, and kill yourself? Fucking coward.
I had never heard of "gaming media" until recently. Jesus Christ, guys, put down the fucking video games and stop reading retarded sites.
@rooshv Girls don't get it. If an interesting man is looking for good conversation, he'd rather talk to a man.
These aren't fringe people in the movement. These aren't
Tyndmyr wrote:a subset of assclowns
These are people GamerGate is holding up as leaders. These are the people they retweet and make threads to praise.
But no, GamerGate is all about ethics and anti-bullying.
KnightExemplar wrote:Its the way mobs are formed today. Occupy, Project Chanology, anti-SOPA, and now #GamerGate.
All you need is a few friends on Twitter and Facebook to make a mob. Its easier than it's ever been before.
Trigger for Occupy was raises in student tuition, lack of work, wall street bailouts. Point of the movement was to protest raises in student tuition, lack of work, wall street bailouts.
Trigger for Project Chanology was when the CoS used copyright claims to take down videos critical of them. Point was to protest the Church of Scientology.
anti-SOPA stuff was triggered by SOPA. Point was to protest SOPA.
GamerGate was triggered by a developer sleeping with a journalist who never reviewed her game. Claimed point of the movement is to protest bad ethics in games journalism and protest bullying of gamers.
One of those doesn't fit, huh? The one thing that we can for sure, 100% agree about supporters of GamerGate is that they choose to identify themselves with that movement. They identify with a toxic, misogynist movement that uses "concern about ethics" as a shield.