Vahir wrote: dg61 wrote:
CorruptUser wrote:You are joking right? That's not how the Mid-East works.
I'll agree that yes, it'd be better if we went off oil. For many reasons. But the Mid-East would NOT be improved if we did.
Uh, are you familiar with the concept of "Dutch Disease" in economics and political science? It is very well established that economies centered on resource extraction are prone to serious structural distortions and that it tends to produce serious political issues as well by encouraging e.g. rentier capitalism and excessive cronyism, as well as serious internal conflicts over allocating resource wealth and using it primarily to prop up the regime by throwing around money and not e.g. on infrastructure. I don't think there's much reason to doubt that many of the middle east's problems are related to oil economies although some aren't.
Lots of first world countries have economies centered around resource extraction without being in the state that the middle east is. Norway, Canada, Australia, parts of the United States...
I think just blaming feature extraction is too much a simplification, yes. Norway was a functioning democracy before they found oil (and same probably goes for US and Canada, too). Moreover (I'm not a historian specified on Canadian economic history, though, this is more of an impression), while Canada had lumber before oil, and that counts as 'resource extraction' as well, it wasn't exactly "instant black, liquid cash from ground". Economy based extracting valuable resources allows the local (esp. if not-very-democratic) government continue and keep on being "not getting much better as society" as before. "Selling the stuff under ground / above the ground worth money quickly and cheaply for weapons now
in order to stay in power today
" (instead of building your own methods to extract the stuff and utilize it) is
very traditional warlord modus operandi and probably predates the steam.
Also, there's also an element that companies doing the resource extraction are often outsiders and ship the resources away to be processed elsewhere. Speaking of Canada and wood, I'm quite certain that most of the companies there were domestic (that more or less pay their taxes), and then there grew different wood-based industries (paper, pulp) near. And it's not like similar unhealthy dynamics don't exist in Western countries, too, though maybe not as excessive. When the forest-based industries were the big thing here, it wasn't the rural areas where the raw material originated that benefited the most (while of course it did bring money there, too, poor rural areas stayed comparatively poor and are even moreso today), it was the cities with the processing industries that boomed.