gmalivuk wrote:Also, the UK isn't a democracy, so the complaint that people are suggesting something undemocratic seems misplaced.
How is the UK not a democracy? Please don't tell me your answer is "Because it's a monarchy", because if that's your argument I'm just going to point and laugh.
quantropy wrote:I voted for Remain, but the more I think about it, the more understandable the Leave vote becomes.
1: Immigration. The thing that no one seems to be considering is that England is a small densely populated country. It's also considerably richer than many of the countries which are joining the EU. So it acts as a magnet for those from other countries who want a better life, and who are willing to work for less than the current population. In a bigger country it might be possible to build lots of new houses, but here people just see wages stagnating and house prices going up - it's no wonder they vote against it
If I recall correctly then, excluding London, England per capita GDP is at 80% of the EU average. So the notion that hordes of EU citizens want to come there for its riches seems a bit of a stretch. London is a bit of an exception here, it's much richer than the rest of England, or, indeed, most of Europe. But London is rich because of immigration, not despite it. London's entire wealth is build on international businesses doing international things.
There's certainly an immigration crisis going on, and on the whole the EU's response to this crisis has been inadequate. But this has very little to do with the free immigration between member states that the EU enables. Syria is not in the EU. And leaving the EU won't solve the crisis. In fact it'll only exacerbate it. The EU's response to the crisis has been inadequate precisely because it was too much each country doing its own thing.
quantropy wrote:2:The political structure. There has been great resistance to a more federal structure, but this means that no one seems to be accountable for decisions made. My understanding is that it's the council of ministers who have the power, rather than MEPs, so it's not at all clear who you can vote for if you disagree with a decision. This gives the impression of decisions being imposed 'from above'
The EU is a bit complex and unwieldy, and it's power structures are a bit opaque. But all people in positions of power were elected by the European people, either directly or indirectly. Decisions will be made by people you don't know whose reasons aren't always clear. That's the case in the EU, but that's also the case in the UK, or in England, or even in your local city. That's how democracy works.
In the EU, England sometimes gets overruled by the other member states. But that's not different than Scotland sometimes getting overruled by the rest of the UK.